jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Perhaps the answer to your "sort of interesting question" lies in the fact that 20 out of the past 34 years we went through Reagan Presidency and Reaganomics and two Bush Presidencies, the "W" one an economic disaster in the making.

38 of the past 80 years we had GOP Presidents to 42 Dem. You are very selective with your stats. Perhaps that raises a sort of interesting question about the point of your post? Sorry, that sort of jumped out of me. :lol: :lol:

MarvinSussman

Why don't we adopt the Chinese paradigm? They have been printing money and building infrastructure with it for 40 years without a hint of inflation, doubling their assets every decade or less. Actually, they are a little worried about deflation.

In another 40 years, MacDonalds will be hiring robots, we will have 60% unemployment and soup kitchens at every police station while the average Chinese will be living in a golf resort, working one week out of the month.

Why do you hate America?

MarvinSussman

The mistake in Vietnam was to tie Vietnamese nationalism to Russia or to China. Ho's communism had little to do with the Soviet version and China was a traditional enemy. They should have listened to Kennan, who opposed the war from the beginning. MacNamara confirmed the mistake with his culpa mea.

Putin is on the defensive against NATO encroachment. Obama is smart enough to back off. The danger is that 2016 will produce another Republican cowboy who feels that he has to prove his virility.

MarvinSussman

It wasn't moot 60 years ago when the bad decisions were made.

VladimirPee

Interesting since US -Russia relations are at a Post Cold War low. Obama backing off has made Putin more aggressive. Maybe we need a cowboy to neutralize him.

It was easy to tie N Vietnam to the USSR. They were the benefactors and supplied the weapons and intelligence. In fact some US Pilots said they saw Russians flying Migs in Nam against them.

stymie

Marvin, Marvin, Marvin, there you go again. Btw , I will sign the letter because it is as I explained to you about a year ago when you were ranting about your precious DINO; " it will only hold up as long as we hold the Reserve Currency Status". I know I'm coming to the party late which is normal for me but allow me to enlighten you on your debt theory.
Debt can no longer be used to artificially grow our economy. For every dollar of debt in post war Fifties we got back $2.41of economic growth; you talk of the post war boom and well there you go a pretty good bang for the buck. Now fast forward to the Eighties and for every one dollar of debt we received $0.41 of economic growth and then on to today wherein for every dollar of debt we get a whopping $0.03 of economic growth. Marvin, do you see a pattern here? The debt is collapsing our economy and the only reason we have sustained this long is because we continue to run the presses overtime printing money. The DINO may never have to be repaid ( your opinion ) but it will bring about the end of our being the Reserve Currency Status when the rest of the world looses faith in the U.S. Dollar. When that happens it is Katy Barr the Door; inflation, possible 25 year long depression, overnight 25% reduction of standard of living and perhaps as much as a 70% loss in the market. This is not said to upset anyone but simple mathematical deductions of what will happen if we continue down this road with this idiocy that debt is good. Is it too late, I personally don't think so but we are at the tipping point and to ignore the obvious will be devastating in the long run. We are already leveraged to the extreme by the infusion of billions of dollars into a broken system and the only one that can bail us out , unlike Spain and Greece, is the IMF which will play into the hands of those who want the " One World Order"
What do you want?

stymie

While who holds the Presidency is important, what I think to be more important is who holds Congress; Sorry that just jumped out of me. :thumbup:
Question - Who just doubled the entire debt?

VladimirPee

China will eventually face the same thing Japan did. Standard of Living and wages will rise. I remember in the 60s Japan had very cheap labor and made those little paper umbrella's you put in a Pina Colada. Anything made in Japan was crap. Things changed and now they have the highest labor cost in the world.

VladimirPee

You are in denial of the facts. I think I posted in explicit detail what the South looked like in 1979. I posted the names and party affiliation of every Senator and Congressmen thus proving there was no exodus of Southern Democrats to the GOP as a result of the passage of CRA. Your opinion cannot change the hard cold facts. The South remained Democrat through 7 Congressional Election Cycles. Not ONE of the 21 Democrat Senators who opposed Civil Rights changed parties to GOP. I understand reversing decades of brainwashing you is difficult because you would have to admit you were duped by Democrat propaganda.

VladimirPee

Here is another photo of him voting at a different time. There is no date but that's 2 elections . You have presented no evidence he was ever prevented from voting.

VladimirPee

Says Open Minded Marvin




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jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

I won't be participating because I have some delayed work I need to get to...shouldn't have gotten on this thread. ha. I agree with you that extremes of right and left end up in the same totalitarian program of dictation and control in accordance with their absolute certainty their ideology is right. The great irony with our homegrown extreme right that are "anti-big govt" is that the most extreme speak of a revolution that would dictate governance and policy and even speak of killing opposition. Yes, just crazy talk, but the vigillante and militia talkers are indeed our fascists, our ISIL, unAmerican, and many of them admire fascist Putin...potential McVeighist terrorists, disgusting. Evil in practice but, yes, they think they are good in intention as well as absolutely right.

The extremes of socialist left are more complicated to characterize. We know communists were classic totalitarian but communism collapsed when it became apparent it was not only totalitarian but also economically unworkable from all centralized decision with lack of individual or localized initiative, accommodation or invention, and remaining islands of "communism" like Cuba are irrelevant backwaters or world horrors like N.Korea or like China party dictatorships with a capitalist agenda. In the Free World the "Socialist" left evolved a century ago toward open parties typically called "social democrats" in Europe and named the Labour Party in England. They have at various times governed without "absolutism" and as defenders of the status quo in established social programs are more or less conservatives. Same situation with USA Dems & New Deal govt. programs. The extremes with the left parties are as a result more a matter of unrealistic expansion of social programs (fuzzy-minded lib idealists) or demand for immediate achievement of changes "forward" in social programs and certainty that they are right in this somewhat similar to the absolutism of the fascist right & some of our RWEs. In the 60s and more so in the 70s the LWEs were manipulated by real left communists and Trotskyites who literally hijacked idealist left causes like SANE nuclear disarmament cause toward disillusion, violence, and revolutionary thinking, promoting resentment and revolutionary movement within the civil rights movement (the Black Panthers) or the ADA promotion of violent demonstration against the Vietnam War--all manipulations in the interest of international communist movement...most of those participating being not communists but what is termed "useful idiots" for the immediate moment. That kind of promotion and manipulation toward left extremist thinking and action through USSR propaganda operations and agents more or less ended with the breakup of the USSR empire, though the "not our business" thinking about geopolitics (war, foreign aid, UN involvement) and promotion of disillusion and revolutionary thinking and violent demonstrations has been revived in recent time by New Fascist Russia internet propaganda operations aimed at the RWEs to make them the new useful idiots for Russian imperialism...though the old anti-war theme is still played to the left (and also peddled to the right...see Dennis' take on geopolitical action in the Middle East). I'm not saying these various "causes" or thinking were absolutely wrong, just noting that the Soviets and now the Fascist Putinists used and use certain themes in propaganda operations aimed to manipulate or affect American political thinking and action (or inaction). To cite one past example, nuclear disarmament or control is not only an idealist idea but was achieved to some degree (not absolute degree) by Pres. Reagan. However, the unilateral twist Soviet propaganda operatives promoted in the 60s & 70s and that was bought by fuzzy minded leftists and idealists was just plain useful idiocy for the USSR.

If you want to see Putinist propaganda in action aimed at the right, just check out Paul Craig Roberts, Paul Rand, and the Saker, and zerohedge internet sites. There are several others. You can also check out past Ukraine & economics subject and comment postings on OPP by Pana-Capitalist-Patty persona names (actually successive names in same Putinist internet propaganda operation over a 5 1/2 month stretch Feb. thru Aug. 17 this year)...possibly other collaborative operators...quite a catalog of the present-day fascist New Russia propaganda twists and story lines with P-C-P.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Sorry, Den-Den, looks like same ballot box and occasion.

VladimirPee

Get some glasses. The other photo was with his son not his wife

VladimirPee

Interesting since the left embraces Anti Government terrorists like Bill Ayers who placed 130 bombs in the USA. How about the NYC Mayor deBlasio who was a volunteer for the Communist Sandinista's . The Dems have become an extremist party. JFK wouldn't recognize it today