Navysnipe Loc: Old West

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

kind of like a democrat that is all for abortion claiming to be Christian

andresan

It's not solely Christianity by which I'm upset; It's the idea of Progressives desire for all to accept what they believe, or else. They lie about religion just to remove it altogether. Religion has been wrongly blamed for wars, when it was people who were responsible. Jesus said he is the Son of God, which Jews said was blasphemy and killed him for that, not because his followers wanted a new religion.
It is wrong for our Government, or any person, to alter religion. It was wrong when religion was taken out of public schools, based on the lie "separation of church and state". There is no such thing as separation between church and state.
Yet, Progressives had their way, and now they mismatch religions until nothing remains.

Navysnipe Loc: Old West

Jesus didn't come here to start religion. As long as we have a relationship with Him, and live by His precepts, and as long as we can help others realize that He is the only way to salvation, we will do just fine. Religion is a problem, because there is always an opportunity for man to corrupt it. Church, is great because it helps us to build each other up. Religion doesn't.

timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

Well Said Navysnipe.
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Navysnipe Loc: Old West

Thanks. I believe it was Spirit-led. :D

andresan

Unfortunately, you are wrong, for religion is not a problem. Man creates problems, does not religion let mankind redeem ourselves from our evil behaviors.
Now, people believe that having a relationship with Jesus they'll be fine, is this not erroneous?
Doesn't God want his people to be mighty? Did He not say that He would pour His Spirit greatly in the end days, for us to do greater things than Jesus?
Having a Father who is Power, do you ask for crumbs. Lo, Jesus did nothing in his own name, but in the name of his Father! Jesus is our foundation for greatness.
The Almighty spits out the lukewarm... He commands perfection.

Navysnipe Loc: Old West

No, I'm not wrong, and I'm definitely not lukewarm. You sound like one of the religious leaders that Jesus chastised. Do you not think that having a relationship with the Lord will not bring you great things? Organized religion these days is a problem. God says to bring all the tithes to the storehouse so that your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine, not so the pastor can add a lear jet to his private collection. How many deaths do you suppose happened in the name of religion? I don't think that's what Jesus meant when He said you shall love the Lord with all of your heart, mind, and soul, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
And no, religion does not let mankind redeem ourselves from our evil behaviors. Repentance through Jesus Christ is the only way to do that.

andresan

When most say relationship with their god, they speak not of miracles, but of their everyday behavioral conflicts and resolutions. If you meant more than behaving according to Jesus's teachings as a relationship, then it is a misunderstanding.
Miracles today are known as little everyday things as having a bed - which is a miracle, but God wants to give more - especially spiritual gifts. If it was this misunderstanding, then let it be forgotten, for it is a misunderstanding.
A relationship with a god is religion. Or else, how could these relationships be understood. If someone follows the gospels, are they not followers of Jesus's teachings? So, you could say "I am a follower of the teachings of Jesus, who is the Son of the Most High God", but isn't Christian much simpler.
Ever since some guy associated religion with buildings where rituals are done, people freaked out... but this is nonsense.
Did not God put in David's and Solomon's hearts to build a building for the Holy Ark? Was this not done by the hands of infidels? Did they kill each other at mere sight for differing religions' sake? Did not Egypt and all its pagan gods house and feed Joseph and the people of Israel? Peace amidst differing religions is more common than peace between siblings... Or have you had to lay your life for your God in your very neighborhood? Where are the religious wars in America? Do terrorists hate America because of its whoredom or its God? Did the Pharoh kill the male babes because their numbers far expanded in Egypt or because of the God of their fathers and forefathers? No, even king Herod killed the male babes so as to not be overthrown by the King of the Jews.
I mean only to ask you this so you could rethink religion as being good or evil. If you still believe religion is mere evil, I accept it.
If a pastor travels the world to feed the hungry... a plane full of water, seeds, compost, medicine, and prepared food is ok with me; as I'm sure it would be for you as well.

timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

Amen...
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timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

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Navysnipe Loc: Old West

One of the definitions of religion is having a set of practices or beliefs linking humanity with the supernatural. This could also be pagan in nature. That is why its so dangerous. I have read the bible cover to cover several times, and not once did I find it telling me to go and find religion. The fact that we are jawing back and forth over religion, validates my point as to why its dangerous. Men have always regarded their religion over another's, and that usually ends in conflict, and sadly, the death of innocent people.
You are right in saying I have no problem with a pastor using his plane to fly in relief supplies to help the needy. But, in a lot of cases, the pastors use this to elevate themselves to celebrity status.
My point regarding having a relationship with Jesus Christ, is this. If you seek the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness first, then won't these great things be added to you? I didn't want to argue with you over religion. I was only trying to show people who may not be "there" yet, a way to get there. Arguing amongst ourselves sets a bad example, as that's not the way having a relationship with the Lord is supposed to work. I am sorry if I got under your skin. So, may God bless you in all things!

andresan

I appreciate the blessing, and may blessings be upon you as well. The reason I defend religion is not for my own, but for any American to practice their inherent freedoms without the world pressuring them to leave what is holy to them.
There is also another reason why I defend people who are considered pagans. For, before the Bible was written, did ancient pagans know of the Most High God. Before the existence of Moses people all throughout the world knew even the Son of God. In the Book of Daniel it is written that the pagan Nebuchadnezzar saw into the flaming furnace and said, Were there not three men sent into the furnace, but behold a fourth walks and He is like the Son of God. God spoke to Nebuchadnezzar and blessed his reign. But, today's history books have blotted this hidden knowledge from being taught. That is why Congress lied and claimed a separation between church and state... but that lies nowhere in the American Constitution.
My pastor told us that God spoke to her, revealing a Native American tribe near the border, where bloodshed had taken place. She spoke, a Native Chief prayed and worshipped God long ago, and God remembered him, so God sent my pastor to clean the land of the bloodshed of long long ago.
So, God was known before Abraham, by all pagans and they did worship Him.
If you would like, I could send you a pdf of more examples of this beautiful knowledge.

Navysnipe Loc: Old West

Sure! Go ahead and send me what you got. Learning never stops. Thanks. :D

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

This reminds me of something the Apostle Paul said after a riot took place and he was arrested. He said that they aren't saying anything right about Jesus Christ, but at least they are talking about him.