Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

Can billionaires buy the disarmament of America?

It is a real and growing concern. Though other attempts to restrict guns at the federal level have failed during the Obama Administration, several states – including Connecticut – have successfully passed them – notably with the help of some very deep pockets and headline-grabbing media events.

The latest is Washington state, which just passed Initiative 594, intensifying background checks and placing strict limits on personal firearm transfers (and more), with nearly 60% of the vote. A competing Initiative 591, which would have prevented the state from having more extensive background checks than the federal level, failed with only 45%.

Most media coverage has hailed the gun control measure as a victory for the people, at last bypassing the stranglehold of the NRA over politicians who have blocked reforms:

A U.S. News and World Report story carried this quote:

“While the NRA may be able to intimidated legislators, it appears that they are unable to intimidate voters,” says John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety. [sic]

A Seattle Times editorial stated:

ON the intractable issue of gun control, Washington voters have shot back.

Tuesday, voters took aim at the state Legislature’s inability last year to pass basic, public-safety-focused background checks. And they shot holes in the myth that the National Rifle Association, and its allies, represent the public interest.

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The 3-to-2 margin in favor of I-594 indicates voters saw through the disingenuous argument made repeatedly by opponents of I-594 that background checks are the first step toward mass gun confiscation.

The Atlantic summarized its story with the subheader:

In Washington state, advocates passed some straightforward controls—by bypassing politicians terrified of the NRA and going straight to voters.

Gun control initiative 594 got a last minute bump from the tragic but conveniently timed school shooting in Marysville on October 24, driving sympathy and headlines to the issue about a week and a half before the election.

But the real push for I594 was from billionaires, including Michael Bloomberg and Bill Gates, who dropped an overwhelming $10 million to support the gun control initiative, while opponents – including the ‘all-powerful NRA’ – spent only about half a million. Other Microsoft execs pitched in as well.

It certainly seems money talks. To sway another 2014 ballot initiative, Nevada resident and billionaire Sheldon Adelson shelled out some $5.5 million to successfully oppose Florida’s attempt to legalize marijuana.

Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg reportedly spent as much as $50 million from his personal funds just on the 2014 elections, backing the Everytown for Gun Safety movement. Bloomberg has heavily backed Moms Demand Action, formed in response to the Sandy Hook shooting, as well as Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which he formed circa 2006.

Flush with tens of millions in commitments from Bloomberg and other wealthy elites, Moms Demand Action promised back in March 2013 to “punish” lawmakers resistant to gun control in 2014 with new money to push for gun legislation – and Washington state is now a prime example of the support for ballot initiatives that money can buy.

However, reports are floating the idea that this is just a test case of future gun control initiatives to come(Nevada may be next for Bloomberg).

The barrier to passing gun control legislation with 2nd Amendment supporters in Congress at both the national and state levels has a loophole. President Obama thinks his “pen and a phone” allows him to write laws via executive order; similarly, the big money behind that agenda has found another venue as well – propaganda aimed directly at the voters.

If the people can be persuaded to give up their own rights, after an election season barrage of ads, newspaper buys, editorials and other media blitzes, then billionaires who want rights restrictions for the masses can get their way.

Democracy in action? What about the rights guaranteed to individuals under the republic?

Caboose Loc: South Carolina

The liberals debate gun control daily but the debate was settled
long ago. We the people have a constitutional right to keep and
bear arms. The liberal anti gun laws wont hold up a court challenge.

MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon

The "Republic" was lost back in the 1800's when Lincoln forced the southern states to rejoin the Union. You might be interested in reading this - it is a bit lengthy, but it definitely explains what happened: (I did not write it, but if you know your history well, you will see he is right on target.)
Subject: “You got the right answer to the wrong question”
Bear with me. My grammar and construction may be a little off, but my point is clear. Keep in mind that these are my opinions based on many years or research, but, as you may know, history has been altered and rewritten to counter and hide the deception of many traitors in our government.
Also, look up: the Thesis, the Anti-Thesis and the synthesis. It’s not a title, it’s a diabolical strategy perpetrated by the same people that have destroyed this and many other countries.
So I begin.
Have you ever heard the term “You got the right answer to the wrong question”?
As the above article reads and I paraphrase: A lawfully sitting president cannot be arrested unless all the (real) constitutional mandates are adhered to. It’s very obvious that the above question did not address the issue at hand. So, essentially, “You got the right answer to the wrong question”.
It appears that, by the organic constitutions original intent, none of these quasi-governmental imposters should exist, but, they do. So, now we not only have an unlawfully seated de facto quasi-president, but the entire congress and all the alphabet agencies and extensions, (also de facto) have usurped the people’s original creation, a Representative Republic form of Government, via a coup de’ tat! The Emperor Has No Clothes!
How else could city, county, state and federal statutory code supersede the common law? Have you ever wondered how the 50 Titles of Federal Statutes could be applicable to the people of the fifty several states? Where’s the nexus? (connection)
There is no disclosed and or obvious nexus. It’s all done by deception; with the help of the legal profession (for money and position), the media, (for money and position) and the higher learning institutions again (for money and position); all of whom have been subverted by these same parasites to cultivate the populations for unjust enrichment, via stolen revenue, rights and property; A.K.A., prize and booty via Piracy!
Under the Common law (the Organic Constitution) there are three elements of a crime. The Intent, the act and the victim. How the hell can they convict anyone criminally with anything less? Yet, the prisons are full of people convicted of victimless statutory offenses. (Not real crimes) But wait… they can if you contract into this despicable scheme, as has been effectuated by stealthy deception with the help of the above mentioned institutions.
I believe the four Reconstruction Acts of 1867 thru 1888 created a military styled “Martial Rule” administrative body that has taken on the illusion of our original (authorized by the people) de jure government, then they created the “1871 Act to Create the Government of the District of Columbia” making it appear as the original United States. There may be a question of whether it is lawful or not, but it certainly was not by the will of the people; hence, void abinitio!
This is why the SCOUS found nothing illegal with Obama Care, it need not be constitutional because again the right answer was given to the wrong question. The question is not “is it legal“, the question is “to whom does it apply“ as with many other cases and quasi-statutes like it.
It assures that anybody, even someone with a fake Social Security Number and fabricated Birth Certificate can become a quasi-corporate President or a California Governor of the same. There is no need to be a natural born citizen, nor are they bound by the restrictions of the original founding documents. It’s a private company!
He (the pres.)is merely the CEO of this private municipal corporation, whereby, congress are the Board of Directors, and the stockholders are probably the families that own the IMF, the World Bank and the Federal Reserve; (which is private and not Federal) and the currencies known as ‘Federal Reserve Notes” and the ‘Euro‘, etc.) by which they own and control the entire phony fiat monetary system.
This fiat currency is printed out of thin air and loaned into existence with interest! In essence, the 1500 trillion dollar debt (yes, I said, 1.5 quadrillion) is just a fraudulent booking scam and is not actually owed by us or any one else!
These parasitic bodies impose, by force of arms, (See Lybia for just one example) their phony (printed from thin air) paper money/credit/debt scheme onto the rest of the world which, eventually and stealthily, transfers all of the unsuspecting country’s wealth and property to these inhuman bloodlines.
They create wars resulting in the economic downfall of these countries, then come in lend them credit they don’t have and lie to them, telling them to convert to their banking system under the guise of stability, and eventually suck them into their deceptive fair trade treatise, turning those countries into debtor nations and their populations into mere tradeable chattel; along with all of their property, that then becomes the real tangible assets of these thieves in exchange for paper! Hence, the Thesis, the Anti-Thesis and the synthesis.
There are many that call this a conspiracy theory. That is the signal and the buzzword of the elite to deflect the truth and the real treason perpetrated by these anti-American conspirators; including, and not limited to, all of the willing dupes and useful idiots that have been and still are, complicit, such as the controlled media and all other progressive infiltrated institutions in America. It is no longer a theory… it’s unfolding before your eyes!
If this is not believable, look around you… is this the country you thought you lived in? Do you think it is just plain bad luck that we’ve sunk to the bottom of every discipline and advantage possible? It has been a well laid plan that is working. We’ve been dumbed down, drugged down and soon to be down and out!
Hold on, it gets worse. Now we are under multi-front attack via biological warfare perpetrated by those same enemies as named above. This government is responsible from the beginning. It may be too late to recover at this point, so just remember the ones that caused it; especially the ones that stood silently by, supported the enemy within, and allowed it.
These are the same people that call Christians, constitutional patriots, average people that claim their unalienable rights and especially armed citizens… they call us terrorists!! By that cry, we certainly know who they are.
If any of you whom have read this and think it anything but true, please respond with facts, because name calling simply identifies you as one of them.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Fact: Neither Lincoln, nor his successor, did force Confederate states to reenter the Union.

Lincoln did not live long enough to force even one state back into the Union, if that had ever been his intention.

I do not view you as competent to paraphrase another: Either link to the article or quote it in its entirety.

MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon

If you had read it completely, it was the new laws that were enacted that changed the structure of the South and forced them back into the Union. Now whether you want to apply that to Lincoln solely, or to the governing body, you choose.
I do wish I could supply you with the actual article, but I can't; however, the statements presented are an accurate description of what happened at the aftermath of the war.
Oh, and BTW, I neither condemned nor condoned what was said in the article - it was merely offered as an example of how much history has been changed over the years.
My great-great back there during that time lost a leg during that War and spent most of his time in a Confederate prison until the south was defeated.
I'm not on here to argue with you. But there are a lot of facts people seem to want to overlook, ignore, or simply deny; and I think all sides need to be looked at and weighed in the balance. It it's good, you keep it: if it's crap, you throw it out. And by and large there is a whole lot of crap being thrown our way these days and it has been going on for much too long.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

What Republic? The billionaires bought that out years ago. Now we have the reality show that pretends to be democracy, where competing billionaires use the American people to fight a proxy war. I don't know why they don't just bid on various laws and be done with it. Pretending to go through the democratic process is just inefficient.

MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon

The democratic process does very little for the 'man on the street'. Once these entities, be they people, organizations, governments, or whatever have all the information they need on who owns what - the same thing will happen at some point that happened in pre-WWII Germany with the confiscation of guns and possessions. That is why were were first conceived as a "Republic" - NOT a "Democracy". That change took place after several new laws were passed right after the Civil War, which took the personal running of one's life pretty much out of his own hands! And 'voila' here we are today! Thanks for the recap. Cheers

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

American politics are a joke. There is no room for any party other than the Demonrats or Republicans. Any other party is a challenge to the status quo. Dems and Reps are for the same thing, just the "tactics" are different. The only people that benefit from their policies are rich people and/or themselves. They could care less for the people that vote for them.

They want the guns out of the hands of patriotic Americans, so that when they get fed up with governments screwing of them, and decide to fight back, Americans wont have any means of resisting them and their "brown shirts". This country is heading for a total tyranical government, where the average "working class" people are just slaves to them.

Only time will tell when this will happen. And it will. All it takes is total economic collapse, Ebola type pandemic scenario, unbearable assaults on our privacy and/or freedoms. Then comes martial law. To believe otherwise is to just be a sheeple.

Thus is the reason why they violate the US Constitution constantly. It keeps them in check. And these PRO gun control people just aid them, thus making them traitors to the country.

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Jesse Ventura

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

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MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon

How do you figure the pro-gun community aids the anti-gun group? And who are the "they" you're talking about through this diatribe? Democrats? Republicans? Individuals? The citizenry at large? Be more specific - generalities don't do a thing toward expressing one's opinion - it merely makes for empty words on a page.

MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon

I asked the questions below. Your original post was quite vague, and you have not clarified who the "they" were that you were talking about. Care to explain it now?

Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

Bloomberg and Bill gates supported the bill to disarm law abiding citizens. That Mothers Demand Action group also was involved in helping to disarm law abiding Washingtonians.

They plastered their advertisements, using "domestic violence" as their talking point, to fool women, who are sensitive with this issue, into voting against their constitutional rights.

They (the anti constitutional gun control people) are too stupid to realize that GUNS are not the problem. The PROBLEM is the justice system not making people who commit crimes with guns, get the punishment they deserve. Criminals will ALWAYS get the guns.

Oh well, when criminals come to their homes to rob them with guns, they will then learn.......BANG BANG, Another innocent dead.

Ever wonder why armed criminals seem to hit those targets where guns are NOT allowed? Only an idiot cant figure that one out.