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Nov 3, 2014 07:19:54   #
Snoopy
 
Glaucon wrote:
Republicans will blame the mythical voter fraud and if that doesn't work they will blame George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, San Francisco, the media (whatever that means), Obama, Benghazi, quilted toilet paper, gay marriage, liberals (whatever that means), public schools, Equal rights for minorities (often referred to as racism), contraception, worker safety regulations, food stamps, women voting, sex education, taxes on the extremely wealthy, the end of public hanging, the lame stream media, and the elimination of work houses. There are many more possibilities and combinations.
Republicans will blame the mythical voter fraud an... (show quote)


Glaucon

If there is no voter fraud how come Obummer received more votes in some areas then there were registered voters?

And if there is no voter fraud how come you are making such a big issue out of voter ID? You need ID to cash a check, get a library card, obtain a driver license, apply for a credit card, apply for public assistance, apply for a bank loan . . . On and on.

Snoopy

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Nov 3, 2014 07:32:22   #
Coupdecu
 
BID wrote:
Just a question nothing more. How many people on OPP will blame voter fraud if a Democrat wins any close race this Tuesday?


the voter fraud is everywhere why do you think Obama is killing our children with all the illegals coming over our boarder bring in all the diseases into our country, 9 children have died from one type of flu brought in by the illegals, then they are voting I have seen vidios of illegals voting and one came in with a box full of voting ballets and was putting them in the machine, along with double and triple voting in different states, Machine changing to demacrap when voting republican , also people 150 years old voting, I have seen Demacrap officals telling illegals they can vote, it si sickning !!!!!!!!!!

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Nov 3, 2014 07:34:51   #
Coupdecu
 
Glaucon wrote:
Republicans will blame the mythical voter fraud and if that doesn't work they will blame George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, San Francisco, the media (whatever that means), Obama, Benghazi, quilted toilet paper, gay marriage, liberals (whatever that means), public schools, Equal rights for minorities (often referred to as racism), contraception, worker safety regulations, food stamps, women voting, sex education, taxes on the extremely wealthy, the end of public hanging, the lame stream media, and the elimination of work houses. There are many more possibilities and combinations.
Republicans will blame the mythical voter fraud an... (show quote)

wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nov 3, 2014 07:35:36   #
Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan
 
BID wrote:
Just a question nothing more. How many people on OPP will blame voter fraud if a Democrat wins any close race this Tuesday?


I will. Typically, 98% of the voter fraud happens in the Democrat camp. Why? It's because Republican candidates know they would be run out of town if they fraudulently won by their constituents. Democrat supporters could care less as long as their guy wins. Look at guys like Al Franken - if he was a Republican, he wouldn't have sat in the Senate for five minutes. Can you imagine having the New Black Panthers at polling places intimidating Democrat voters? Not a chance. Any close race of any significance and the Democrat machine has an army of lawyers waiting for their marching orders. I find it appalling and a disgrace, yet many think it's no big deal.

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Nov 3, 2014 07:38:46   #
W8_4_It
 
It depends. If it is a race in a Blue State and the Democrat wins its likely its not Fraud.

But if Wendy Davis wins the Governor spot in Texas, you can better believe that is some massive fraud.

That would mean not only are illegal Aliens voting , they are letting the Space Aliens vote. And the Dead Illegal and Space Aliens too. :)

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Nov 3, 2014 07:41:26   #
Coupdecu
 
Not-a-RINO wrote:
I will. Typically, 98% of the voter fraud happens in the Democrat camp. Why? It's because Republican candidates know they would be run out of town if they fraudulently won by their constituents. Democrat supporters could care less as long as their guy wins. Look at guys like Al Franken - if he was a Republican, he wouldn't have sat in the Senate for five minutes. Can you imagine having the New Black Panthers at polling places intimidating Democrat voters? Not a chance. Any close race of any significance and the Democrat machine has an army of lawyers waiting for their marching orders. I find it appalling and a disgrace, yet many think it's no big deal.
I will. Typically, 98% of the voter fraud happens... (show quote)


Thanks for that comment, they think we are that stupid to think there is no voter fraud !!!!!!! They believe Obama,the question should be why the people like the one that posted this topic are that dam stupid!!!!!!!!!!

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Nov 3, 2014 07:43:44   #
M
 
I will, there will be fraud on the democrats side whether a dem. wins or not.

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Nov 3, 2014 07:46:20   #
PeterS
 
Snoopy wrote:
Glaucon

If there is no voter fraud how come Obummer received more votes in some areas then there were registered voters?

Where?

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Nov 3, 2014 08:00:11   #
Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan
 
Coupdecu wrote:
Thanks for that comment, they think we are that stupid to think there is no voter fraud !!!!!!! They believe Obama,the question should be why the people like the one that posted this topic are that dam stupid!!!!!!!!!!


The problem is the frauds are banking on many being ignorant and apathetic - it is their power base. Consider this: Have you noticed a shortage of idiots lately? I rest my case. Go into an urban area where the graduation rates are 25% and 75% or more are members of the Democrat Welfare Plantation. They vote 96% Democrat. What does that tell you? Satan could run as a Democrat in these areas and win.

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Nov 3, 2014 08:04:13   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
PeterS wrote:
Where?


As I recall it was in Philly Pa

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Nov 3, 2014 08:05:21   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
It's a proven fact that non-citzens have and are voting in our elections !

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Nov 3, 2014 08:05:28   #
Coupdecu
 
Not-a-RINO wrote:
The problem is the frauds are banking on many being ignorant and apathetic - it is their power base. Consider this: Have you noticed a shortage of idiots lately? I rest my case. Go into an urban area where the graduation rates are 25% and 75% or more are members of the Democrat Welfare Plantation. They vote 96% Democrat. What does that tell you? Satan could run as a Democrat in these areas and win.


Yup it is unbelievable who those people put in power and the length they go to stand up for the crooks !!!!!!!!! There is so much Fraud out there I pray we can win this election !!!!!!!!!

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Nov 3, 2014 08:06:15   #
Liberty Tree
 
BID wrote:
Just a question nothing more. How many people on OPP will blame voter fraud if a Democrat wins any close race this Tuesday?


Less than those who will blame voter suppression if a Republican wins.

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Nov 3, 2014 08:12:32   #
Coupdecu
 
PeterS wrote:
Where?


Florida in a lot of places

Oh My: Study Reveals Significant Number of Non-Citizens Vote in US Elections
Guy Benson | Oct 27, 2014
Guy Benson
Confirmation now exists that some voting machines have indeed been rigged for Democrats. Grassfire has the video that FOXNews is reporting proves that claims being made in Illinois, Maryland, North Carolina of voter fraud are true.

height=Click here, or on the image to the right to see the video now posted on Grassfire's LibertyNEWS.com site.

Grassfire is also reminding all team members who will be heading to the polls next week to take extra care before casting your vote.

To use an old school term, "check your work", and be sure that the candidates you choose actually receive your vote. If you suspect a problem, immediately reach out to an election official before casting your vote.

This midterm election has the potential to produce historic changes, and Grassfire wants to make certain that you are keenly aware of the shenanigans taking place at some voting centers.

Thank you for the stand you are taking!

Your Friends At Grassfire

P.S. After watching the video, be sure to share it with your friends and family.



This bombshell dropped on Friday afternoon, but I decided to hold off on writing it up until today so it didn't get lost in the weekend shuffle. I'll let Allahpundit tee up some context: "So jaw-dropping is [the report], I had to read it twice to make sure I wasn’t misreading it. The site that posted it isn’t partisan either: It’s The Monkey Cage blog at the Washington Post, a 'data journalism' hub a la Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight that prioritizes insights gleaned from number-crunching above left/right argumentation." Not only is this data presented in a nonpartisan mainstream media venue, the researchers' proposed antidote to the problem isn't one that's likely to be embraced by many conservatives -- namely, considering granting voting rights to non-citizens. AP also notes that this piece was published just hours after Jim Geraghty wrote a post bemoaning the Right's paranoia about voter fraud. Electoral cheating is not the "myth" the Left pretends it is, Geraghty argued, but it's not so prevalent that it's routinely responsible for stolen elections. I still find Geraghty's overall admonition compelling, but this evidence strongly suggests that election-altering fraud may not be quite as rare as even I'd assumed. Astonishing stuff, via researchers at Old Dominion University:



In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races. Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted. How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.


Fourteen percent of non-citizens reported that they were registered to vote, and a not-insubstantial chunk of that subset admitted to actually casting ballots. The authors run through some not-so-hypothetical consequences:



Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

That's…a really big deal. Democrats needed every last Senate seat they won in 2008 in order to overcome a GOP filibuster on Obamacare. Without Franken's seat (or Mark Begich's ill-gotten seat), the bill would never have passed -- as written, or at all. Previous studies presented serious evidence that Franken's margin in Minnesota was furnished by felons illegally voting; this new data suggests that ineligible non-citizens could have put him over the top. Pick your poison. Both bodies of evidence, by the way, showed that non-citizens and convicted felons overwhelmingly support Democrats. In their summary, the researchers make two points that critics will likely seize upon: First, they admit that their methodology is complicated by a relatively "modest" sub-sample of non-citizens, although they provide a solid explanation that bats down the theory that perhaps the sample itself was strongly tainted by people accidentally and inaccurately self-reporting as non-citizens. There's also this salient point made by a Twitter observer:


If you were a non-citizen who was unlawfully participating in the US electoral system, would you be willing to admit that fact in a phone conversation with a stranger? Me neither. Logic and human nature dictate that if anything, this report understates the prevalence of this form of voter fraud. Second, the researchers say that the numbers call into question the efficacy of voter ID laws, which are often touted by conservatives as a policy solution to safeguarding the integrity of elections. According to the data, nearly three out of four illegal voters in these surveys were asked for ID prior to casting ballots, then managed to do so anyway. A few points in response: (a) I think it's much more likely for someone to misremember whether they were asked for photo ID than the act of voting itself. (b) ID laws undoubtedly mitigate this problem to some degree if enforced seriously, and at a minimum serve as a deterrent for others. These are complex problems that may require complex solutions; denying the problem isn't an option for anyone committed to fair and representative elections. The professors also say that the statistics strongly hint that many of those non-citizens who do vote aren't aware that they're breaking the law; they suggest emphasizing 'public information' as a remedy. The task of preventing ineligible and illegal ballots from being cast probably requires a combination of public warnings and education against unlawful voting, regular purging of ineligible people (deceased, felons, non-citizens, etc) from voter rolls, as well as voter ID laws. The Left opposes all of these steps as "voter suppression." I'll leave you with a link to a piece we published earlier this year, detailing a Florida reporter's discovery of dozens of non-citizens who illegally voted in the 2012 election in his local area alone. He did so by using a single, narrow method to ferret out the unlawful electoral participants. The problem is real. It is not a "myth." It's unacceptable and it must be dealt with.





Topics:
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Nov 3, 2014 08:41:06   #
skopii
 
skopii wrote:
ALL Registered Voters, should receive a 2 Piece Absentee Ballot, that they address, sign and return, via U S Mail, to voter central for accurate counting, and a paper trail. After easily voting from the privacy of their homes, where they can research the candidates positions on issues; 1 piece, the voted receipt is then returned with the statement: "If you didn't cast this vote, call voter central 123 456 7890. That vote is challenged, pending investigation and prosecution. More voting, less fraud, easier and less costly. A good way to: "Vote Incumbents OUT!" Thank You.
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Correction: All Registered Voters should receive a (Matching Numbered) 2 piece Absentee Ballot. etc. "Vote Incumbents OUT!"

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