Ve'hoe

It is in your assumptions that you label others, even decide what others think and of course that it is inferior to your thinking since you are smarter than everyone else,,, that is why you seem insulting to others. And I suppose that in Al Queda I would seem peaceful,,, but the other peoples character has no real bearing on yours or your behavior, I think in that light you make a "mis-stake." You should ask people what they think instead of supposing that you have to make them... you went in a circle, claiming that we are divisive by assigning labels, when at least I didn't... those are just the categories that people use to define themselves that we currently use in discussion. It is YOU who assigned the evil or good stamp. I still have no opinion on you,, good or bad, because you have told me so little about you, except that you are really really smart, really really sensitive to others, and really really prefer to be right and that you might use too much emotion in place of logic/reason. So who are you, and how did you arrive at your political view?

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

When I was very young, my family came from another country, to this land of opportunity. This country's government is good, in this, I have never seen a better.
I have not observed that people are good. Mostly they are self-seeking.

Government is made up of individual people. The government has never helped or hindered, only people "from the government." But every one these people"from the government" seeks their own goals, not some universal goal.

Ve'hoe

Hmmm, what country?

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

The Republic of the Marshall Islands

Ve'hoe

Oh really!?! I have actually NEVER made it there, would like to, I flew out of Hawaii for the marines, I went into the Phillipines and all over SE asia. It was very formative of my ideology when I saw GOOD people working hard, and being cheated by a corrupt Govt. Then I watched "ours" and what I mean by "bi-polar" is that every 4 years our govt can radically change,,, too bad if you made some deal with the old guys, the new guys don't have to honor the deal. As I was born in 1960 I saw Kennedy killed, I saw race riots, I saw hippies, Nixon, drugs liberalism, and the rise of conservativeism. I think the best way is for people to try to get along, whenever they cant and they have to have govt come in they ALL lose some freedom due to their own stubbornness. This has gained momentum,, in womens issues, gays, blacks, Mexican immigration. And when we are polarized the govt takes advantage. That is where we begin to lose freedom, and that eventually will destroy, what you Like so much about our country and its style of govt. I am worried at this point in time, like you I suppose, but I have seen California, and Detroit be destroyed by liberal ideas. I don't want the whole country to be like that. I want good jobs for everyone, without destroying our environment, but we may have to give and take a little to make it. But the "welfare" our govt gets is a trap that folks cant get out of. That isn't fair, and then they are preyed upon, because they cant cut their own throats, because politicians will let them starve to make a point. That's just wrong. They need jobs they need help, they need the opportunity to get off the bait of the govt. If you just cut them off, (which is not what the conservatives or Tea Party advocate) then they will probably die. We have to do it slowly. That will require the govt to get smaller, and also those people to do more to succeed, but if we continue the way we are, we will end up broke and then there is NO MONEY for anyone, that will result in warfare and death on a scale that makes other conflagrations seem tame.

rumitoid

Ve'hoe, below are two sentences from your first contact with planet 1pp. Would you like to revise either one of these?
1) "I read these forums and ALL (emphasis mine) I hear out of the left is "teatard" "Conservatard" etc..... faux news, lies, stupid etc."
A question: Do you hear similar from ALL the right or part of the Right?

2) "...and though you side with the govt against your black, brown, gay, or conservative neighbor, you cannot trust the devil you are dealing with to fight your brothers."
A question: who sides with the govt against this unique grouping of people and who is the "devil"?

bahmer

I personalty am a conservative. I am not college educated as so many are on this site but I did complete a couple of years of college in the engineering field. I did at one time start my own business for a few years and have known others in my family who also have either ran their own businesses or who have started several businesses and thus my conservative viewpoints.
Yes most people are good as they are, it is when people get power that they become bad or at least lean in that direction.
The old saying that is power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely still holds true today.
Or in business a man is usually promoted to his level of incompetency is also true. Now whether there is a correlation or not I am not sure, but there might be.

rumitoid

For me, Ve'hoe, the sort of one-sided demonizing that seems to be the point of your opening foray into 1pp is our primary problem in America today. Saying that ALL THE LEFT acts that way and then classifying conservatives as an oppressed minority, victims of the "devil," appears purely divisive. Perhaps that view was unintentional.

bahmer

You, my friend can force me to do nothing, I choose to think and therefore I am.
I would really hate to see the group that would classify you as an "ultra conservative". The only group that would come to mind might be the George Soros, Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton and that type of people.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

I think you are a conservative. Please, explain a method for no decisiveness between liberals and conservatives? Or the method by which "gays" becomes not a divisive issue?

Comment Loc: California

Objection you honor! Witness is stating his conclusions. Sustained!

Ve'hoe

That is the problem with what you do, with what you read, you DEMONIZE me, and I don't agree at all with your rendition of what I said. Primarily because the intent that you attribute to me, was not what I said, so Yes I stand by the things I said, so now you can make your :Opinionated assumption of what I "REALLY" meant ( emphasis mine) when all you are doing is trying to incite anger, but you are not able to do so... I said: "regardless of the labels placed on us, and the left on this site does seem to be more virulent in their responses and name calling. You wont even let someone have a civil conversation with you." You are baiting me, and I am not biting. Try to just read what I said and don't run it through your filter that requires one side to be right and the other wrong. Like I said, if you are convinced that someone is racist, hateful, bigoted, and wrong you will look for the evidence to prove it, rather than discuss exactly what was said.

Bobbalu Loc: Kentucky

I guess I was wrong about this site. I told a dear friend this morning that I had found a site where both major parties actually seemed to be talking and LISTENING. After reading the posts after I signed out last night I see i was wrong, and there is truly nothing new here. I am disappointed but will move on and continue my search. :roll: :( :( :(

Ve'hoe

Sorry to hear that, but I don't see why we should have to stand by and be painted as things we are not,,,, I have been abused since signing on, and cannot seem to get some folks to lighten up,,, but I am going to keep try ing.

Comment Loc: California

Perhaps, people are setting themselves up as Gods. What right does one have to judge others by their standards. Society has standards. If it didn't there would be no society. Herein, we debate and that's good. However, tempers flare, names are called. None of which is in good taste. People here, including me, are, perhaps of a lesser class, ot at least, those who engage in the low class degradation of fellow form members. Can't we move up the marker just a bit?