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Oct 15, 2014 23:18:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Btfkr wrote:
Well...in my estimation, I've had s sicker pranks pulled on my than being born gay :shock: :P


The sick jokes are the biggots, asses, etc, etc.

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Oct 16, 2014 08:02:15   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The sick jokes are the biggots, asses, etc, etc.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: got that right!

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Oct 16, 2014 08:57:18   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Btfkr wrote:
Have you ever studied "two spirit" or berdaches? I may or may not comment further on this whole subject matter at some point in time. I do believe you are mixing apples and oranges. What cultural items you mention in societies past really have nothing to do with sexual attraction. In all the consternation of attempting to categorize everyone the way the most common interpretations of the Bible wants, and all the tangents that are taken, the obvious is disregarded. I personally am 100% convinced that I was born gay. The vast majority of gay people I have ever met think the same way. I spent the first 40 years of my life denying what and who I was. Would it not just be easier to accept the truth from the people who really know?
Have you ever studied "two spirit" or be... (show quote)



I am amazed at how well you and I and Paul and I have been able to have civil conversations on a subject that neither of us will ever change our beliefs in large part. I know that both you and Paul are LGBTQ activists, paid or not doesn't matter, but we have been able to work around that for the most part. When I first started working with boys who had been molested, I was not concerned about 2% of the population was doing as long as they left the kids alone. It quickly became apparent that the demands from the LGBTQ groups about changes in law concerning "gay marriage" affirmative action for homosexuals, all the way to having both sexes use the same bathrooms and showers were not in the best interest of the population and the country, so I began to do more research on the movement. Our discussions have been most helpful, although some of what you state as fact is in disagreement with many people with whom I have spoken who have had personal experiences directly the opposite to yours, as well as research material from else where in the world that contradicts your statements. The situation will never be settled, but the conversations are valid, and I thank you for that.
Yes I would like to learn more about the berdaches belief of some American Indian tribes. I am sure it would be interesting. Thank you for offering to explain it to us.

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Oct 16, 2014 19:18:55   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
no propaganda please wrote:
I am amazed at how well you and I and Paul and I have been able to have civil conversations on a subject that neither of us will ever change our beliefs in large part. I know that both you and Paul are LGBTQ activists, paid or not doesn't matter, but we have been able to work around that for the most part. When I first started working with boys who had been molested, I was not concerned about 2% of the population was doing as long as they left the kids alone. It quickly became apparent that the demands from the LGBTQ groups about changes in law concerning "gay marriage" affirmative action for homosexuals, all the way to having both sexes use the same bathrooms and showers were not in the best interest of the population and the country, so I began to do more research on the movement. Our discussions have been most helpful, although some of what you state as fact is in disagreement with many people with whom I have spoken who have had personal experiences directly the opposite to yours, as well as research material from else where in the world that contradicts your statements. The situation will never be settled, but the conversations are valid, and I thank you for that.
Yes I would like to learn more about the berdaches belief of some American Indian tribes. I am sure it would be interesting. Thank you for offering to explain it to us.
I am amazed at how well you and I and Paul and I h... (show quote)


NPP - I also have been gratified by our civil discussions. I don't know how they could be otherwise and still be productive - I know very little about anyone on OPP (though most of what I do know about you I find good) and prefer to attack the issue rather than the person.

I do think it's important to continually point out the inappropriate linking of adult homosexuality to pedophilia and child abuse. The article from UC Davis at the link below does a good job of diving into this subject; I hope you can set aside some time to read it in full.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

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