Eckasha13 Loc: New York

Maybe, but it's no surprise with tobacco. I indulge in a little organic cigarette or two from time to time, but never in the huse. Currently knocking out my cat's lung cancer with a superfood and serrapeptase. l

VladimirPee

Not a maybe. Its a fact.

Eckasha13 Loc: New York

It's tobacco, an addictive substance. There are distilleries and breweries that still exist from before 1776 too, but originated on the land of this country, one of them owned by George Washington in VA. I enjoy them both. More businesses than not have failed. It doesn't matter what business model you use. You have essentially argued through your use of showing that a business failed, even though it thrived for many years with extraordinary revenue, that I'm wrong because a business needed help. But, I'm suggesting that while we're failing until we get it right, try a decentralized, democratic business model that values the input of it's employees and through diffusion can change the way we deal with each other. There are many failed business with obscenely wealthy former business owners. Change is the only constant.

VladimirPee

Please name a few pre 1776 that has failed other than a plantation which relied on slavery?

Ricko Loc: Florida

Artemis-what you are alluding to is know as Key Man Insurance . Companies try to protect themselves against financial loss in the event a Key person dies unexpectedly. Companies taking out life insurance on low level employees appears to be more BS than fact. If you can back up what you are alleging, give us the name of one company involved in that practice. Good Luck America !!!

Lou239 Loc: South Jersey

"To be clear, it's not Obamacare's fault for making Wal-mart do this. It's Wal-mart's own fault for its horrible employee treatment, lack of regard for public health, the safety of their own employees, and their greed that has lead them to this decision. If Medicaid was allowed to be expanded in ALL states (thanks SCOTUS), then this would be less of a concern.
However, since red states like Texas has not expanded Medicaid, it means that people that I know that work at Wal-Mart will be without health benefits for their families, and that they're SOL due to Republican governance."

Strange Post! I must guess you do not believe in Capitalism where companies were created to provide rewards to their stock holders. On the other hand toward your posts end you seem to be complaining that when Wal-Mart provides good products and lower cost to its customers you find that objectionable!

However, I also feel you did not consider the real reason that would drive Wal-Mart to drop some employee insurance! To me and many many others it is the direct result of Obamacare.

If Obamacare was truly lowering or even containing the rise in Health Care cost, then Walmart, Home Depot, Trader’s Joe etc. would not be dropping employee insurance for a 100,000’s of thousands of people. There is two parts of cost that of a device or even a band-aid but the LARGER cost that of what and who is covered. Obamacare forces such drastic coverage change the costs to the Employer increases – hence their cost goes up and they are FORCED to drop providing the service. That might mean nothing to you but to the impacted employees it may mean everything!

So in the end there is a balancing act - cost containment and return to stockholders while maintaining its value for buyers OR accept the higher Obamacare created costs and raise prices (or lower value) to buyers of their product. In the end keeping the company alive a viable was path taken!

VladimirPee

Sorry but cost increases due to Obamacare are the cause of this. Stop making excuses for this disasterous healthcare law.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

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Eckasha13 Loc: New York

I was discussing the success of certain businesses prior to 1776 and supporting your argument while I was redirecting the conversation about my original point. The relevance of finding non-slavish pre-1776 businesses isn't Germain to our original conversation, but of course I could do the research, due to the internet to match your request, but it's irrelevant.

VladimirPee

Oh my mistake. I thought you wrote this

" Name one American corporation, since the inception of this country that hasn't eorher shut down, reorganiEd its infrastructure or filed chapter 11. If the notion of success hinges upon whether someone needed help or not or someone still exists or not, this country shouldn't exist at all."

Eckasha13 Loc: New York

Again, partial commentary of a larger conversation. A very friendly and good natured conversation. A quality that is criminally under appreciated. You have sufficiently proven that corporations have existed before 1776. You have sufficiently stated that other corporations needed help. Good for you. Have you ever created a multibillion dollar corporation that needed help? If you did, then you would be a failure, based on your line of argument and it still doesn't sufficiently dismiss the notion of a decentralized, democratic, employee owned and run corporate structure. I'm in the business of paying my bills through making a living wage. I have the ability and right to expect to be compensated accordingly. If businesses can price fix and wage fix, why can't I and others collectively reject it? I get to negotiate too. I get to have numbers and organization too. It's possible that I/we may succeed andi t's possible that we may not. It's irrelevant.

VladimirPee

I do not support corporate bailouts except under extreme situations. For example when all air traffic was shut down after 911 and the airlines lost massive amounts of traffic due to terrorism I thought it was appropriate to bail them out. In general though I believe capitalists should live by the sword and die by the sword. As far as employee owned corporations. I am not opposed to anyone owning anything but I do believe they are overrated as far as being much better for wages etc. Especially the employee owned corporations we have in the USA

1OldGeezer

Eckasha13,

You are free to join or start a union (or a private company) and negotiate for (or set) your wages. No one is suggesting otherwise, as it is a free country still, though some are trying to "remedy" that with socialism. Once we reach the socialist utopia someone else (the smart bureaucratic elite) will set your wages. But the good side is; we will all be equal and not have to work for a living. Go Obama!!!

1oldgeezer

Eckasha13 Loc: New York

Yes, clearly, the only way I was capable of constructing my arguments was on the ability to divine welfare for the minorities and give birth to 6 children who don't know their fathers. Quite valid... But I am quite competent enough to dig holes in the dirt to bury many. So far it's only been the animals that have died of old age in my care. Liberals, Fucking liberals. You don't know the liberals I know. Probably more norther European than you. Oh, did I spell something correctly? My deepest digging apologies....

Eckasha13 Loc: New York

And I have given birth to no one, but my kids (step-kids in your horrible perception) needed someone to show them what work was, kind of, but they always knew it. I would never steal their thunder as you can soooooooooo libbbbbbbberallllllllllly attack me, but I showed them how to work, paid the child support, aanndd gladly paid for their wardrobe as they grew, and financed their sporting events. Just like my step-dad did for me. There were things I couldn't do and told them the reality of our finances, because I was married to a disabled drug addict. He would have been disabled just the same, but he wasn't available. I was. Don't start with the liberal bleeding heart bs with me because YOU don't know what I had to do. I didn't see my biological father for years because of his PTSD.I don't blame him. You have no idea, but I begged my step-daughter to give me every detail, as much as she was allowed legally and told her I wasn't scared of her horrors because I will never stop loving her and if she must, tell me the most gory details involved, so she has a way to get something off her chest in order to be a good mom. That is MY training. I just have the sand not to depart with my optimism. These are the simple things that matter to me. Fuck you and your cynicism and my daughter could kid your ass in your best days because I taught her the philosophy. And never will allow them to denigrate their mother, who needed financial assistance because at the age of 9, she was changing her own father's catheter because the VA sucked and she only has an 8th grade education because of her upbringing. You are all selfish cowards because I, as woman much younger than any of them bore the financial burden. There was nothing wrong with this poor woman but that she was born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Fuck you judge mental, unvisionary pricks because I did it and I never stopped loving or believing in anyone. I would bet that you assholes have digestive problems, which I don't. You would never admit it because you want to be right, not flexible or problem solving. You like to bitch, your only power like a bunch of little girls. The disease of dis empowered monarchs. At least don't be stupid enough to think those people you think don't know how to fight or have weapons, can't fight. Bruce Lee was a liberal only because he's not up Carl Rove's ass, he agreed with Barry Goldwater, someone you neocons know nothing about.