oldroy wrote:
Answer one simple question for me and I will look up those numbers for you to play with. My question is very simple and maybe you have read enough of my latest threads to know what the group is. What is OIC?
OIC not sure looked it up and there are many agencies and groups under the OIC which one are you talking about .
Please Oldroy this is not an attempt to play, it's an attempt to open up discussions on actual facts. There are many factual numbers that are positive for both left and right. It's history that tells us what policies and agendas have worked. We can have factual discussions but we have to get away from these GD left or right propaganda sites.
Not familiar with OIC but if it's an agency that we all can trust as facts by all means let's use it. I just want to get away from the MSNBC, CNN, Fox, Or any other so called news agencies.
I want to stop the insults I want to stop propaganda sites. We can all read propaganda sites and find a site that falls along our ideology and then the insults start. AND ITS WRONG
Example Nixon did a lot of good things but if not for Watergate and Viet Nam he would have been a good president.
Clinton a good president but all we hear is about a BJ in the Oval Office
Bush 41 could have been a great president but because of read my lips no new taxes that's all is being said.
Bush 43 if facts and history keep showing the results he could be one of the worst.
Reagan could have been great but for all the corruption that's what we hear.
Carter was not good but not as bad as we make him out to be. All we hear is how he cut the defence budget and destroyed the military.
LBJ Known for the Veit Nam war but did he have policies that worked
Obama ???????? Only history will show
My belief is that out of all the presidents that I have mentioned I looked at facts and numbers and to pick left and right and if I had to vote for 2 I would vote Bush 41 who I thought got screwed and Clinton because he took over for Bush and had enough brains to keep the Bush agenda moving.
Can you imagine Bush 41 with today's GOPTP what a courageous president he was. His interest was always not a left or right issue it was what was best for this country. Historians are saying now about Clinton and Bush 41 was there ability to compromise and move to the middle.
But Oldroy let's see your answers maybe just maybe we can start a factual conversation on OPP without insults.
These propaganda sites these super Pacs are accomplishing what they have set out to do drive a wedge between us. I am not afraid of facts but I am afraid of all this shit we read. Every GD president in history have had scandals within there administrations and that's all we talk about. But by putting factual numbers together we can stat to formulate policies within all administrations that have factually worked .
If we can all go on line to find propaganda but can we all drop that ideology and get to actual facts. Can we use CBO GAO DLS reports can we use actual legislation and actually read these bills and see how our legislators vote.
Just trying to have factual numbers in front of us all, and take the positives and the negatives and what policy or procedure that created this. It's crazy what we are doing now and it serves no purpose.