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Aug 26, 2013 10:29:02   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
TheCracker wrote:
Well that was stupid of me..... I stand corrected and will modify my statement to "lack of logic"

Thanks. What would I do without you politely looking over my shoulder?.... Well, maybe not looking over my shoulder if I am standing since I am 6ft3In. Or at least the last time I checked. (GRIN)


Shorty...my spouse is 6'6". I shall carry my foot stool around to stand on and look over said shoulder. :-D

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Aug 26, 2013 10:31:16   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
cold iron wrote:
The NRA has nothing to do with ownership of fire arms. It's the constitution and the 2nd amendment. Our very smart founders did this to stop a tyrant of a government from taking over the everything (like what is going on right now) . Yeah, I know you left only brain people don't get it. The fact that more people die from knife and hammers means zip to you. It's the big bad gun that bad.


Now, cold iron, you know those big scary looking inanimate objects go out and about creating mayhem all the time.

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Aug 26, 2013 10:34:22   #
astrolite
 
cold iron wrote:
The NRA has nothing to do with ownership of fire arms. It's the constitution and the 2nd amendment. Our very smart founders did this to stop a tyrant of a government from taking over the everything (like what is going on right now) . Yeah, I know you left only brain people don't get it. The fact that more people die from knife and hammers means zip to you. It's the big bad gun that bad.

The United States is 3rd in Murders throughout the World.

But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC and New Orleans , the United States is 4th from the bottom for Murders.

These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States .

ALL 4 are controlled by Democrats.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data – right?
The NRA has nothing to do with ownership of fire a... (show quote)


You left out........All four are majority BLACK!

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Aug 26, 2013 10:44:29   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
astrolite wrote:
You left out........All four are majority BLACK!


You simply have to stop presenting valid facts. As someone posted to me the other day, you just confuse them.

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Aug 26, 2013 12:29:27   #
usmc4
 
Alicia wrote:
The comment I stated was concerning an incident which occurred in the Greater New York Area. I keep in touch with Channel 7 News. I am dismayed by the amount of gun crimes in that area primarily because of the Carry Bans. In this particular situation not only did one person shoot another but the friend of the wounded person was also carrying!

The NRA believes that if more people carry guns, everyone will be safer. The above incident disproves that theory.

I do recall that, during the rush hour in California, when people are frustrated and tempers rise due to rising temperatures, drivers had been known to shoot at other drivers simply because they were stuck in traffic.

My point is: If people are given ammunition to use (when normally they will simply swear at each other or, the greatest extent will be a fist fight, they will use that ammunition.

Psychological exams do not work because any really smart person (or, some times, a psychologically unbalanced one) can pass those tests. I see nothing wrong with hunting for food but, in many cases, people hunt because they like to kill. That instinct is in all of us if we are allowed to express it. I'd personally rather see a fist fight.

The only way I can see to prevent people from killing each other in a temper is to ban carrying concealed weapons.
The comment I stated was concerning an incident wh... (show quote)




I believe the statement should be, --- The NRA believes that if more "responsible/trained" people carry, then people will be safe. The three states that you mentioned Calif., N.Y. and N.J. have some of the strictest gun laws. If you read the findings of the report by the "Bureau of Justice", you would see the statistics that disprove your data. It was an eye opener. More crimes are prevented/deterred by responsible concealed carry people. Check it out, like I said it's an eye opener.

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Aug 26, 2013 12:30:58   #
teaman
 
It is not about the NRA...period. It is about protecting the Constitution. What is it about, "WILL NOT INFRINGE", that you do not understand. A "GUN" has NEVER been the problem. Brain dead(mostly dummycrats) idiots and mentally sick are the problem. We have got to stop this pet, pampering, and appeasing the thuggish minded youth gang types and start seriously kicking some butt. You have a RIGHT to own a firearm but you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL unless justified. When a unprovoked drug using thug like Trayvon Martin gets killed over HIS stupid actions, everybody wants to cry for him. Where the hell was the intervention before he was shot. One of the greatest jokes in this country is drug prevention. We will NEVER stop drug use....and do you know why? It is because we will not come down hard on the USER and ABUSER. Start kicking some serious butt and forcing these stupid users to take responsibility for their actions, and things will change. We have a perverted left mambie pambie cry baby approach to how we deal with idiots. How about a new law, "IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO BE A BRAIN DEAD IDIOT". If we had such a law, maybe all of us would spend a little time in jail....good therapy if you ask me. Another point while I am ranting. We need to get away from so much psycho babble stupidity which has been used to help idiots escape responsibility for their actions. Bottom line, people have been killing each other for thousands of years before guns were ever invented.....most murders, in fact, are with knifes. But, you know what automobiles kill more than just about anything.....why don't we get rid of them. This argument is just as stupid as the gun control crap.....in fact it is all about control(guns are only the tool). The perverted left will never be happy until the "guber"ment is residing permanently up all our asses!

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Aug 26, 2013 12:48:50   #
TheCracker
 
Kudo's to "Cold Iron" and "Teaman" (among others) for their excellent points.

The Cracker
cmvrwc

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Aug 26, 2013 14:21:56   #
JimB
 
Lets follow the Obama/Holder rule. Since so many murders are committed by motor vehicles, we should legalize murder by vehicle, like we do for those who break our immigration laws. Hell, why not eliminate ALL laws. They are enforced by the feds according to their whims at the time. This is supposed to be a nation of laws. Does that mean Obama/Holder have already destroyed it?

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Aug 26, 2013 14:40:13   #
Glenn
 
justkillingtime wrote:
Because the NRA is comprised of idiots, fools and morons- “conservatives” in other words.

Thanks there good buddy(I am the NRA)!
Tell me which constitutional amendment is the most valuable to you, the one that allows you to run your stupid gator calling people you have never met idiots, fools ,and morons or the one that allows you the right to survive a vicious attack by having the means to defend your self?
The NRA isn't made up of only conservatives so in effect your stupid choice of words might just piss some of your smarter liberal friends off as well; just because some are liberal doesn't necessarily mean they are brain dead like you.

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Aug 26, 2013 14:48:27   #
Glenn
 
Alicia wrote:
The comment I stated was concerning an incident which occurred in the Greater New York Area. I keep in touch with Channel 7 News. I am dismayed by the amount of gun crimes in that area primarily because of the Carry Bans. In this particular situation not only did one person shoot another but the friend of the wounded person was also carrying!

The NRA believes that if more people carry guns, everyone will be safer. The above incident disproves that theory.

I do recall that, during the rush hour in California, when people are frustrated and tempers rise due to rising temperatures, drivers had been known to shoot at other drivers simply because they were stuck in traffic.

My point is: If people are given ammunition to use (when normally they will simply swear at each other or, the greatest extent will be a fist fight, they will use that ammunition.

Psychological exams do not work because any really smart person (or, some times, a psychologically unbalanced one) can pass those tests. I see nothing wrong with hunting for food but, in many cases, people hunt because they like to kill. That instinct is in all of us if we are allowed to express it. I'd personally rather see a fist fight.

The only way I can see to prevent people from killing each other in a temper is to ban carrying concealed weapons.
The comment I stated was concerning an incident wh... (show quote)

Honey why don't you move to England, you'll find their laws a little more to your liking(and we will be a lot better off with your stupid ass gone)!

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Aug 26, 2013 15:12:20   #
JimB
 
Glenn wrote:
Honey why don't you move to England, you'll find their laws a little more to your liking(and we will be a lot better off with your stupid ass gone)!


Evidently you have not read the news. The British are asking Parliament to restore their gun rights because of the crime problem there. BTW, don't believe that the Bobbies are unarmed. Bad mistake made by some criminals there.

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Aug 26, 2013 16:07:54   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
That is the most asinine comment I've ever come across. I guess your dinosaur-size brain doesn't add much to your total weight.

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Aug 26, 2013 16:32:33   #
Glenn
 
Alicia wrote:
That is the most asinine comment I've ever come across. I guess your dinosaur-size brain doesn't add much to your total weight.

Alicia, if you will please use the quote button when replying to someone's comment, that way we will know just where your ignorant reply is aimed; Please have a good day!

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Aug 26, 2013 17:49:36   #
Michael Nestorick Loc: Northeastern Pa.
 
The NRA doesn't want everybody to carry unless they are qualified to own one. Where the hell did you get all that BULLSHIT from. You have no idea what the NRA is about. You sir are a complete liberal moron.

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Aug 26, 2013 18:16:27   #
meangene
 
Alicia,

For these people to pull guns out they had to have been carrying in one of two ways:
1. Open carry - in a holster worn openly, with some portion of the gun visible. Not legal in Manhattan, or NJ.
2. Concealed carry (CC) - No portion of the gun visible. NJ does license CC, however NY/NYC does not recognize NJ's CC license.

Assuming (I know) that these people started their trip in NY (sorry, no proof in story either way), then these people were carrying illegally, and could not show justified use of deadly force regardless. So by simple definition, these people were NOT law-abiding citizens. Saying everybody would shoot everybody else is a fallacy, based on your personal beliefs, not supported by anything in reality. These people have already proved to my mind, that they will commit unlawful actions anyway.

The "Wild West" as every one knows it, is a Hollywood created myth. Reading interviews with people that lived in those days, it was often said everyone was MORE polite, not less, because ANYONE they talked to might be carrying. Today's violence is often caused by people who feel no concern that someone may be armed also, and think they will not suffer consequences.

Mean Gene

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