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Aug 22, 2013 13:19:22   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
viet vet wrote:
yes the separation of church and state is an issue that needs to be sustained , I am a liberal and I have strong religious beliefs , but I do not discuss those in public as I consider them a private matter between me and God
most of the issues from the far right are a fear reaction , to demographic changes , a change in social beliefs and structures , and I believe the bitterness comes from an inability to stop it


your two statements are mutually exclusive the liberal ideology of the left excludes religion the same applies to muslims they can not be true americans

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Aug 22, 2013 13:24:52   #
viet vet
 
samarov wrote:
I agree with your comments. I think we're in a period of self-examination, as if we've just awakened from a sweet, protective, sleep only to find that the awakening brought with it hard decisions....especially if we're Republicans.
We find ourselves in disagreement with today's Democratic Party, we also have come to a fork in the road regarding the Republican Party. The "establishment" Republicans are very jealously guarding their "territory" against the growing trend towards constitutionalism and conservative ideology. We aspire to have candidates like Ted Cruz, he's admired for his "never say die" attitudes. He will be given one difficult time by establishment Republicans, it happened to Ronald Reagan too, until the establishment came to understand that Reagan really was the choice of the people. It meant the GOP could probably win with Reagan and the GOP got behind him. It did choose one of its own for the VP position, GHW Bush.
Therefore the conservatism of Reagan lasted for the two terms, USSR lost to Reagan's leadership, then the GOP returned to its former standards with GHW Bush.
The Republican Party as we know it can't help itself, it naturally gravitates to its usual stance. Only when an exceptional, driving, Conservative appears does it accede to that Conservatism.
I think it's inopportune to go third party at this time, we need to free this nation from the doldrums of a failing, inept, Obama presidency. Therefore, first things first.
Republicans can regain the Senate, while holding the House. Leadership in the House must change, the Minority Leader in our Senate cannot be the Majority Leader, the job requires action, not inaction and he's a "bad fit."
There needs to be primaries against Republicans who've become the quislings of the Beltway. They've been swamped by the status-quo of a too long Washington, DC experience. They want to be in constant accord with the opposition and the people's needs have become secondary to them. They need to be voted out.
The GOP/RNC will back their own people in office, they won't be much assistance to GOP challengers. If we want to return to adherence to the Constitution, Conservative challengers need to be elected. The GOP financial assistance will go to incumbents.
What I'm stating is that it'll be the people's task to financially support our choices. We probably can't match the money the GOP/RNC can raise, but we can keep our candidates in the game. Small donations from many folks can be effective. Personally, I have stopped donating to the RNC. I'm not wealthy, but what I can donate goes to Senate Conservative Funds, Heritage Foundation, and individually known Conservative Republicans.
Decisions must be made, the pondering must be ended. Unity must take its place.
I agree with your comments. I think we're in a per... (show quote)


your post is very thoughtful , I do disagree with you on some points but I am not a conservative , we all have to get back to governance not bickering

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Aug 22, 2013 15:54:03   #
50chevy
 
blocklanes wrote:
Consider the fact that Republicans have no chance to ever win the white house, starting a new party is the best idea. Just think, they can get rid of the old wacko's that killed the party. Karl Rove, Gingrich, Trump, Palin. and the Bush family.
No more stupid invasion of Iraq, to defend.
It would be like a breath of fresh air.


I seldom agree with you Blocklanes. but this time you have it right.
A third party will not win an
election but will let the republican party know that true conservatives have no faith in them.
I am registered as Libertarian. I suggest that other true conservatives not wait .....register Libertarian now.

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Aug 22, 2013 16:23:41   #
viet vet
 
alex wrote:
your two statements are mutually exclusive the liberal ideology of the left excludes religion the same applies to muslims they can not be true americans


You really do not have a clue

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Aug 22, 2013 16:33:19   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
viet vet wrote:
You really do not have a clue


were you in prison with McCain ,you act like you went through the same treatment he did and you sound just like him

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Aug 22, 2013 16:35:57   #
viet vet
 
alex wrote:
were you in prison with McCain ,you act like you went through the same treatment he did and you sound just like him


no I wasn't a prisoner of the North Vietnamese , never been to Hanoi , I did do four tours there but hen I really do not want to talk about something you have no real knowledge of

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Aug 22, 2013 17:35:01   #
MEAT
 
all the RINOS BELONG TO SOROS..it wood b great to see these ASS----- bank accounts. we no that he has a ring in the nose of ALL THE LIBS. it looks like he will PUT DAFFY DUCK in as the president of the NEW WORLD ORDER.DAFFY wood be totally at home with the rest of those LOONEYS that r living hi on the hog with the $$$$$ US SUCKKERS R LETTING HIM and the RINOS SEND. JUST THINK, IF ALL THE $$$$ SENT TO THOSE ASS------ wood b spent here by getting all the vets off the STREETS and into a home and a job the day is coming when there will not b one young person willing to go fite for the NEW WORLD ORDER....BYE

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Aug 23, 2013 00:21:20   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Worried for our children wrote:
O.G. Could you explain what you mean in your last sentence, I'm particularly interested in the last part of it ?


What is it you don't understand? I thought it was self explanatory.

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Aug 23, 2013 03:36:06   #
Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
 
samarov wrote:
I agree with your comments. I think we're in a period of self-examination, as if we've just awakened from a sweet, protective, sleep only to find that the awakening brought with it hard decisions....especially if we're Republicans.
We find ourselves in disagreement with today's Democratic Party, we also have come to a fork in the road regarding the Republican Party. The "establishment" Republicans are very jealously guarding their "territory" against the growing trend towards constitutionalism and conservative ideology. We aspire to have candidates like Ted Cruz, he's admired for his "never say die" attitudes. He will be given one difficult time by establishment Republicans, it happened to Ronald Reagan too, until the establishment came to understand that Reagan really was the choice of the people. It meant the GOP could probably win with Reagan and the GOP got behind him. It did choose one of its own for the VP position, GHW Bush.
Therefore the conservatism of Reagan lasted for the two terms, USSR lost to Reagan's leadership, then the GOP returned to its former standards with GHW Bush.
The Republican Party as we know it can't help itself, it naturally gravitates to its usual stance. Only when an exceptional, driving, Conservative appears does it accede to that Conservatism.
I think it's inopportune to go third party at this time, we need to free this nation from the doldrums of a failing, inept, Obama presidency. Therefore, first things first.
Republicans can regain the Senate, while holding the House. Leadership in the House must change, the Minority Leader in our Senate cannot be the Majority Leader, the job requires action, not inaction and he's a "bad fit."
There needs to be primaries against Republicans who've become the quislings of the Beltway. They've been swamped by the status-quo of a too long Washington, DC experience. They want to be in constant accord with the opposition and the people's needs have become secondary to them. They need to be voted out.
The GOP/RNC will back their own people in office, they won't be much assistance to GOP challengers. If we want to return to adherence to the Constitution, Conservative challengers need to be elected. The GOP financial assistance will go to incumbents.
What I'm stating is that it'll be the people's task to financially support our choices. We probably can't match the money the GOP/RNC can raise, but we can keep our candidates in the game. Small donations from many folks can be effective. Personally, I have stopped donating to the RNC. I'm not wealthy, but what I can donate goes to Senate Conservative Funds, Heritage Foundation, and individually known Conservative Republicans.
Decisions must be made, the pondering must be ended. Unity must take its place.
I agree with your comments. I think we're in a per... (show quote)


If I ever meet you in person I'll shake your hand and buy you a steak dinner. This is probably one of the most intelligent postings I've seen in this here thread.

The Republican part in its current state is very dysfunctional (and that is putting it lightly) and they are scared of fresh ideas coming from the likes of Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the bold standings coming from Tea Party and other constitutionalist and libertarian entities reverting to classic Republicanism. The party of Lincoln and the party of Martin Luther King (yes he was a Republican, the revisionists won't tell you that) will once again free us from the yoke of social vices and the tyranny of big government.

I think it is high time to be the establishment to rest once and for all by crushing those who will try to claw their way back to power. The days of the "Karl Rove Republican" are numbered.

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Aug 23, 2013 04:39:28   #
stymie
 
samarov wrote:
I agree with your comments. I think we're in a period of self-examination, as if we've just awakened from a sweet, protective, sleep only to find that the awakening brought with it hard decisions....especially if we're Republicans.
We find ourselves in disagreement with today's Democratic Party, we also have come to a fork in the road regarding the Republican Party. The "establishment" Republicans are very jealously guarding their "territory" against the growing trend towards constitutionalism and conservative ideology. We aspire to have candidates like Ted Cruz, he's admired for his "never say die" attitudes. He will be given one difficult time by establishment Republicans, it happened to Ronald Reagan too, until the establishment came to understand that Reagan really was the choice of the people. It meant the GOP could probably win with Reagan and the GOP got behind him. It did choose one of its own for the VP position, GHW Bush.
Therefore the conservatism of Reagan lasted for the two terms, USSR lost to Reagan's leadership, then the GOP returned to its former standards with GHW Bush.
The Republican Party as we know it can't help itself, it naturally gravitates to its usual stance. Only when an exceptional, driving, Conservative appears does it accede to that Conservatism.
I think it's inopportune to go third party at this time, we need to free this nation from the doldrums of a failing, inept, Obama presidency. Therefore, first things first.
Republicans can regain the Senate, while holding the House. Leadership in the House must change, the Minority Leader in our Senate cannot be the Majority Leader, the job requires action, not inaction and he's a "bad fit."
There needs to be primaries against Republicans who've become the quislings of the Beltway. They've been swamped by the status-quo of a too long Washington, DC experience. They want to be in constant accord with the opposition and the people's needs have become secondary to them. They need to be voted out.
The GOP/RNC will back their own people in office, they won't be much assistance to GOP challengers. If we want to return to adherence to the Constitution, Conservative challengers need to be elected. The GOP financial assistance will go to incumbents.
What I'm stating is that it'll be the people's task to financially support our choices. We probably can't match the money the GOP/RNC can raise, but we can keep our candidates in the game. Small donations from many folks can be effective. Personally, I have stopped donating to the RNC. I'm not wealthy, but what I can donate goes to Senate Conservative Funds, Heritage Foundation, and individually known Conservative Republicans.
Decisions must be made, the pondering must be ended. Unity must take its place.
I agree with your comments. I think we're in a per... (show quote)


Great Post, Totally agree. I too have stopped donations to GOP. I get at least 10 calls a day asking for money and I tell them until they get off their duffs and do something they will not get another dime. Blocklanes was baiting . He has learned well from his master. Divide and conquer, and some fell for it.

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Aug 23, 2013 05:17:04   #
stymie
 
DeePools wrote:
Can you read? Talking about someone being inane. Right there in my post is a direct quote from Jefferson stating "establishing a wall of separation between Church & State"


I really tried to stay out of this one but as you can see, failed miserably.[ Must state Old Gringo Right and DeePools Wrong.] Yes, the separation letter states the establishment of wall between church and state but the key word is establishment, meaning the federal government will establish no religion. If you dig deeper this statement was taken completely out of context by Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black in 1947 { A Atheist }and jumped on by the progressive movement of the time. There had been accusations by the Federalist against Jefferson and Jefferson was simply giving them a dig back with the quoted statement above. Jefferson was a avid believer that the power stayed in the hands of the states as anyone who studies the Constitution must agree. It was never intended that the Federal Government have the power that it has given itself today. Including the Supreme Court when one wrong decision by one judge can carry so much weight and morph into this idiocy we deal with today on almost a daily basis. We recently experienced it again with Chief Justices Roberts on Obamacare . I personally believe he was giving us an out but the House will not take the advantage. Getting off the subject, sorry.

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Aug 23, 2013 08:35:11   #
blocklanes
 
I have no master and I am a master, to my dog, Scrappy.

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Aug 23, 2013 08:51:39   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
stymie wrote:
I really tried to stay out of this one but as you can see, failed miserably.[ Must state Old Gringo Right and DeePools Wrong.] Yes, the separation letter states the establishment of wall between church and state but the key word is establishment, meaning the federal government will establish no religion. If you dig deeper this statement was taken completely out of context by Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black in 1947 { A Atheist }and jumped on by the progressive movement of the time. There had been accusations by the Federalist against Jefferson and Jefferson was simply giving them a dig back with the quoted statement above. Jefferson was a avid believer that the power stayed in the hands of the states as anyone who studies the Constitution must agree. It was never intended that the Federal Government have the power that it has given itself today. Including the Supreme Court when one wrong decision by one judge can carry so much weight and morph into this idiocy we deal with today on almost a daily basis. We recently experienced it again with Chief Justices Roberts on Obamacare . I personally believe he was giving us an out but the House will not take the advantage. Getting off the subject, sorry.
I really tried to stay out of this one but as you ... (show quote)


If there is a separation of Church and State, why does the IRS get to determine what is and is not a religion, and what does and does not constitute religious observances? Why does Scientology enjoy the same privileged status as Catholicism, but Animism and Mithraism do not?

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Aug 23, 2013 12:04:03   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
viet vet wrote:
no I wasn't a prisoner of the North Vietnamese , never been to Hanoi , I did do four tours there but hen I really do not want to talk about something you have no real knowledge of


Where in country did you do your 'four' tours. You are the first I have heard of that did FOUR tours in 'Nam.

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Aug 23, 2013 12:12:06   #
viet vet
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Where in country did you do your 'four' tours. You are the first I have heard of that did FOUR tours in 'Nam.


I corp (ho Chi Minh trail) mostly and there were a lot of us that did four tours , I know of five of us in my team

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