Strange position: being highly Conservative, recent insane or ill-thought out posts leave me embarrassed
Sep 4, 2014 00:16:47 #
America was never conceived as being or thought of being a Christian Nation. Why? Because everyone almost to the man was Christian. The prospect of giving other religions voice or sway was absurd in the colonies: there was no other religion but merely the differences in doctrine and dogma amongst a plethora of Christian sects. The 1st Amendment was meant to vouchsafe protection from a Christian group gaining overwhelming dominance and control of government: not that of Taoists or Buddhists or ISIS or Hindus or Pagans. America was said to work on Judao-Christian principles...or not at all.
Sep 4, 2014 00:20:09 #
numenian wrote:
America was never conceived as being or thought of... (show quote)
Yes! I do so agree with that statement! :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sep 4, 2014 00:23:15 #
Sep 4, 2014 00:31:18 #
numenian wrote:
Thank you.
Your welcome. The principles of this country was founded on Christian principles, but they were used not to convert one to Christianity but to build a nation and a society, that could live in peace with each other, under a common bond.
Freedom of Religion, does not mean attacking religion, but rather coexisting. There is a major misconception of the First amendment. No where does it say in the constitution of the United States that there is a separation of Church and State, but rather the Government of the United States would take a neutral stance, when concerns of religion come up. This was tried through prohibition of Alcohol, and proved that religion took it too far. Therefore the system worked.
But that's my view point on it. this is why I said you were right in your statement.
Sep 4, 2014 00:43:03 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Your welcome. The principles of this country was f... (show quote)
Well stated. I agree.
Sep 4, 2014 02:11:05 #
But...But....
Obama Says Islam Was Fundamental In Founding The United States
Obama Says Islam Was Fundamental In Founding The United States
Sep 4, 2014 02:17:22 #
karpenter wrote:
But...But....
Obama Says Islam Was Fundamental In Founding The United States
Obama Says Islam Was Fundamental In Founding The United States
Name one Muslim Founding Father, whose signature is on the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution or on the Articles of Confederation, and I might believe Abomination.....Oh yeah, there wasn't any! HA!
Sep 4, 2014 06:32:07 #
However,,, if you merely look around you,, at the Islamic,, buddists,, and hindus, sikhs,,, that a whole lot of those other religions, would never be capable of policing itself, like the Christians have, to bend their doctrine, to accomodate the building and maintenance of a diverse society, as we have here.
ONLY the Christian religion, via the concept of freedom, was capable....... that is why the aggression towards them, is now unwarranted..
I used to be "embarrassed" by some posts, but after listening to the social fascism of liberals here, I no longer care what they whine about,,, they are the neo-fascists,,, and their platform is Social-fascism.. undeserving of the society, the Christians built........
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ONLY the Christian religion, via the concept of freedom, was capable....... that is why the aggression towards them, is now unwarranted..
I used to be "embarrassed" by some posts, but after listening to the social fascism of liberals here, I no longer care what they whine about,,, they are the neo-fascists,,, and their platform is Social-fascism.. undeserving of the society, the Christians built........
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numenian wrote:
America was never conceived as being or thought of... (show quote)
Sep 4, 2014 06:32:42 #
liberalism and loopy leftist adherentssuffer from a mental disorder so anything beyond chirstianity is wooden brained and Pinocchio like.
Sep 4, 2014 06:32:55 #
liberalism and loopy leftist adherentssuffer from a mental disorder so anything beyond chirstianity is wooden brained and Pinocchio like.
Sep 4, 2014 07:49:09 #
numenian wrote:
America was never conceived as being or thought of... (show quote)
The intent was to prevent the rise of politically powerful churches like the Catholic and the Church of England. These two had their fingers in every political pie in Europe. You are correct in your statement that the Framers could not conceive of an American where some form of Christianity was not the dominant religion. Several Founders who were mistakenly called "Deists" were actually was was known as anti-clerical Christians, being Christians who abjured the authoirity of the clergy.
Sep 4, 2014 08:43:33 #
Ve'hoe wrote:
However,,, if you merely look around you,, at the ... (show quote)
This is why the Catholics call Christianity the Universal religion. For we police ourselves at the same time we accept the diversity of mankind. This is what draws people to Christ. However, do not be mistaken one bit, the details of that conversion may push the limits of the way one believes in Christ. However, Christ is for all men. But not all men will accept Him. But that is okay for like Christ, i too will not infringe on Man's right of free will. This is true Christianity.
Yes it is the hope of every Christian that all people become Christian, however, due to free will, which is a gift from Christ, man may and does turn away from Him. When this happens, Christ gently calls that person back to Him. We must let God handle that, while we shine, as Christians, as a beacon of Light and Love for all.
Sep 4, 2014 09:15:03 #
Loki wrote:
The intent was to prevent the rise of politically ... (show quote)
You are correct Loki. (again I might add)
The very first Amendment in our Bill of Rights restricts the government for establishing or supporting a state church (or religion). It reads in part: (for those who have forgotten)
(Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion,.......
You know. I think that every student in America should be required to read and study the intent of the founding fathers when they wrote their grand thesis for our American constitution. Then maybe, just maybe they will appreciate what God directed them to do.
One other thing worth remembering. It was not the intent of the men who conceived, wrote and signed our Constitutions (and the Bill of Rights) to deny or outlaw God, rather to keep the little despotic atheist of the world, from doing just that.
Sep 4, 2014 09:18:39 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
This is why the Catholics call Christianity the Un... (show quote)
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Well stated Ranger. One attaboy!
Sep 4, 2014 09:27:25 #
no propaganda please
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ghostcotcha wrote:
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Well stated Ranger. One attaboy!
Well stated Ranger. One attaboy!
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