oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I use that term because so many people I know from the part of Colorado who want to secede still talk about it all the time. Of course, they include the states of Massachusetts and Connecticut when they talk about those people as being helpers for the Mexifornia group. Is that more acceptable?

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

There may not be more coming into Kansas but there is sure a lot more being confiscated and more money in fines being paid. People seemed pretty stupid in the early days in that they just stayed on Interstate 70 where they were being caught.

I really don't know the effects of smoking weed other than I have seen some potentially great athletes destroyed by the smoking of if. Oh hell, I forgot that you people keep saying that it has no long term effect. About the fastest white boy I have ever known admits that it not only cost him his scholarship in college but it kept him from finding out just how fast he was because he would rather smoke and eat it than go to practice.

Anyway I found this thing today telling a place the singers would never smoke weed again. I guess it was too high quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJXjt5D4zY&feature=youtu.be

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

I am sure the hard working people of California (which is an ever shrinking number) wouldn't appreciate being lumped in with liberal jackassery that this term might imply. I proudly served my country in that state and lived off and on for about 12 years, and I would go back if it wasn't so expensive....well and if the earth didn't' move so much...and there was water. You get the idea.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

The day will come when they will break off completely and be surrounded by water. I have always thought this may happen in my lifetime and that is fast coming to an end.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

So why promote more intoxicants? The more that are legal the more foolist people will use, unfortunately the rest of us pay for their stupidity.

There have been several studies lately indicating that moderate pot usage over an extended time (more than one year) causes brain changes in not yet fully developed brains ( brains in males do not fully develop until about 25) These changes cause a behavior similar to chronic rage syndrome epilepsy in dogs. They are just beginning to research the long term effects after claiming for years that heavy, or even moderate use of pot does not cause permanent brain changes. I know, so does moderate use of alcohol over an extended period, and both probably are a cause of early senility . But as long as a SOMA like feeling is experienced, no one seems to care. Perhaps if people who make such choices had to suffer some of the consequences, the next group of people would not take up behaviors that are so damaging. Yes, I am aware of the genetic implications of vulnerability to addiction but, just because some people are slightly more likely to become addicted is no excuse. Would it not be better to solve the emotional problems that make someone more likely to use mind altering substances that to encourage the usage of such drugs?

arvadaian

Of course it would be nice to have real data to base decisions on but our paranoid government has for years forbidden any research on the affects of pot on people either long or short term. What research would you recommend to someone considering such a choice?

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I honestly don't know what type of research is being done, having only picked up small amounts of information as part of other discussions. I believe that there are a few European studies because they have had legal pot for a number of years, although I think the Netherlands may have limited the legal use of pot in the last few years, perhaps because of research they have done.

When I was a teenager I used alcohol and pot as a way of trying to cope with emotional abuse from my father. As an adult who has spent many years working with teenagers who have been physically, emotionally and sexually abused, I can tell you that many of them have used drugs as a coping mechanism and by 12 to 14 they already have a problem. In addition to a psychologist and a couple of counselors like me and my wife, they needed medical help for drug addiction . Right now we are not at home, but going to a wedding later this week, a wedding that as counselors and therapists many people have become involved with the young man. This afternoon when I was looking at OPP we were with another young man who is going to the wedding. He is an abuse survivor (no longer a victim) and he also said that the pot helped him control the anger for a while, but in the long run it made the anger worse, and the self mutilation more difficult to control. My brother, who died of rectal cancer recently had been a victim of physical and sexual abuse as a young teen and a heavy drinker and pot user for most of his life. By the time he came back into my life, there was evidence for disorientation but it could have been early stage dementia. He was 72 when he died.
Anyhow, I don't know what research is out there, but my question is Why would anyone want to loose control of their mental faculties even for a couple of days at a time? I guarantee it will solve nothing and probably will lessen your coping skills, and what will it accomplish?

jaydee

You men are having a somewhat honest discussion. Your intent is good. But guys we are about to loose our freedom. Weed don't make a hill of beans worth of difference. It's kinda like the galley hand on the sinking Titanic. He had to wash the dishes before he decided to get in the life raft.
This probably tees U off. Sorry. It's bad enough to see our nation becoming communist and some seem to think it's no big deal.
It don't matter about pot. Loosing our freedom is a very serious thing.
Not trying to be rude. But again I can't see where this has anything to do with saving our nation. But what ever makes your day. Your rt. My opinion really don't matter much either. But remember once we Loose our freedom we will not get it back. Get in the fight.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Don't think that this is all on my mind, but the personal things are also important, and are things I can do something about in between writing letters to congressmen and senators who don't listen, and posts on political forums like this one. In addition to that, just how well can a society where most are stoned function to regain our freedom?

jaydee

I was hoping I would hear something like that. Thanks. Maybe I'm to concerned about it all. But love my country and want to give this freedom to my grand kids. That's all. Rt now we ain't looking too good. Most are hoping the nx election will fix it all. No way. These communist mean business. What I fear most is not the upper hand of the communist but the weakness of the leadership on our side..

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

You and everybody else should be very concerned about the progressives, communists, or what ever type of collectivists they choose to call themselves this week. Which ever, their ultimate goal is tyranny. I firmly believe that a big part of their agenda involves total disruption of the social structure and families that are the backbone of any civilization. Toward this end they are encouraging drug use, pushing for "Gay marriage" and other things such as focusing on race and causing divisions among different groups toward their goal of total chaos. A sober people can fight back against them, a drug addled society cannot. A country made up of families without a married man and woman to properly raise children produces more criminals and more violence. The same way that a group of rouge male elephants are dangerous to settled herds as well as people, uncontrolled unguided teenage males are a prime destructive force in human communities. Poverty and crime increase at an alarming rate in areas where there are few two parent (one male and one female) families. So to ignore these social issues makes it much easier for any collectivist dictatorship to fill in the gap and end up in control right under our noses. In my humble opinion we really need to pay attention to these things as we fight against any collectivist tyranny.

jaydee

Awesome piece of writing. This should be placed in the hands of all Americans. You captured the sociological aspects of a free society while at the same time you exposed the enemy to it. All with just a few words. Understanding @ this level
is very rare. Your mind set is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for your contribution of truth. A true patriot.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

You're right, but I think the point is that the drug war is used as leverage to justify the prison "industry", in fact, unless you're a violent offender there isn't any reason to lock people up-it's a waste of resources, money, and talent. Being able to send 30% of the prison population home for having stems and seeds would be fine with me.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Thank you for the compliment, it was much appreciated. One of the most frustrating types of conversation I have is with someone who says "So what if there is a drug user next door, if he leaves you alone, why should it matter to you?" Or more frequently "you are so judgmental how dare you say that children should be raised by a married heterosexual couple, not by two people of the same sex, or a woman alone. You are simply a racist homophobe and one who is filled with hate. Your hate speech should be illegal" Look at the statistics for crime, mental illness, poverty and suicide and you will see the correlation . It is not a matter of "What difference does it make?" IT does make a difference.
Working with victims of sexual abuse reinforces my belief that absent fathers, a variety of short term stepfathers, women who don't know who is the sire of each child, and a number of similar problems horribly affect the development of the next generation, leaving them vulnurable to influences which offer the state as the all knowing parents, and ways to make children believe they are not important as individuals, just as the collective. At first I thought it was an unplanned side affect of collectivism, but at this point I believe it is the planned goal of the collective to destroy society so that it can be remade into the human equivalent of a hive of bees. I can't influence a large number of people as can a politician or, in a better way, a preacher but if I can, in some small way, get people to put the picture together, I will have done my part.

jaydee

Quiet weel I might add. Again, thanks