Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

:thumbup: :thumbup: I can almost guarantee it will do no good. If carolyn changes her position on Voter ID's I'll be forced to say something nice about Conservatives. :lol:

VladimirPee

Just one state in 2008

I can tear your entire post apart state by state . Lets begin with 2 states


113 convictions represent small fraction of total unlawful votes

ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Minnesota Majority today released a report on voter fraud convictions to date stemming from Minnesota's 2008 general election. The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, "ineligible voter knowingly votes" under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

"As far as we can tell, this is the largest number of voter fraud convictions arising from a single election in the past 75 years," said Minnesota Majority president Jeff Davis, "Prosecutions are still underway and so there will likely be even more convictions."

The highest number of convictions ever recorded in the United States came from the 1936 Jackson County, Missouri elections in which 259 individuals were convicted of voter fraud. A more recent five-year probe by the United States Department of Justice identified just 53 convictions for voter fraud nationwide.

"It's mind-boggling to me that as a tiny non-profit corporation, we netted more than double the number of convictions in one year than the US Department of Justice was able to find in five," said Davis.

Minnesota's recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota's 2008 general election.

"These convictions are just the tip of the iceberg," said Davis. "The actual number of illegal votes cast was in the thousands. Most unlawful voters were never charged with a crime because they simply pled ignorance. We have evidence of these people casting illegal ballots, but in Minnesota, ignorance of election law is considered to be an acceptable defense."

At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial. But time is running out for any additional cases to be prosecuted. The statute of limitations on election crimes is three years, and will expire for the 2008 election this November. Anyone who county attorneys have not charged by then will go free.

"The problem rests largely on our current Election Day registration system," said Davis. "Most of the fraudulent votes cast in 2008 could have been prevented by using the normal registration and verification processes. But since the Election Day registration process does not include eligibility verifications, it simply leaves the door open to these kinds of abuses."

Minnesota law requires voters to register at least 20 days before an election so that the information they provide and their eligibility to vote can be verified by election workers before they vote on Election Day. However, Election Day registration creates an exception. People who register at the polling place are given a ballot without first being subject to the same scrutiny.

"This is an example of why creating two classes of voters is unacceptable," said Davis. "You shouldn't be subject to less scrutiny than everyone else, just because you waited until the last minute to register. Less responsible voters are allowed to cut in line and cast a ballot without being validated and this is what happens."

Investigations of voter fraud are also now underway from Minnesota's 2010 election.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions-131782928.html



Left leaning Politifact

Our ruling

Johnson said, "Studies have shown that voter fraud is non-existent in Texas."

She did not provide, nor did we find, studies showing such fraud to be non-existent. To the contrary, Abbott’s records show 18 convictions, no-contest pleas or guilty pleas on voter fraud charges from 2002 through 2012. That’s not a lot of fraud, by any means, but it still evidently occurred.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/sep/13/eddie-bernice-johnson/voter-fraud-occurs-texas-though-convictions-and-gu/

carolyn

Whoa there, big mouth. There were a lot more indication of voter fraud that that. The only thing is, there was no in-depth investigation of these frauds. This would have had to have been investigated and charges filed to have made them recorded as fraud, but the lackadaisical Republican party did not push it. So you crooks got away with it. This is why I say the Republican Party absolutely has to get rid of Karl Rove and his RINO's before they will ever get back into the competitive field as any type of strong contender.

VladimirPee

Raylan's problem is that he is a willing dupe of biased sources that feed propaganda. Instead of simply using google to find actual cases and convictions.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

faithistheword is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the conservatives. Ignorance is perfected in his rantings!!quote=Bruce Kennedy]You're full of sh1t. You aren't any where close to being a "true patriot" or even knows what that means. So climb off you ignorant soap box, and get a life.[/quote]

VladimirPee

There is simply no reason to oppose voter ID except the left wing hope that some fraudulent votes will get through. That my friend is Unpatriotic.



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Retired669

There is no reason for voter suppression tactics unless you don't want a certain group of people or a certain amount of people to vote. Election fraud at its finest!

VladimirPee

Everyone in this nation has the ability to obtain proper ID. Photo ID was required just to enter the Dem Convention. A Proper ID Is needed to take a WHITE HOUSE tour.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Dennisdee, There are very few examples voter fraud present. The kind of voter fraud that does exist is stuffing ballot boxes. Voter IDs will not eliminate this. The reason for voter IDs is to make it more difficult for minority voters. Since most minority voters are Democrats, guess who this benefits.

VladimirPee

Nonsense

I can present hundreds of cases of voter fraud. Why do you think minority voters are stupid and incapable of obtaining ID? Are you racist? They seem to have no problem at the welfare office.

BigOlBear

What a red herring. I would be embarrassed to have to argue your position on this issue. Other than a small number of people who might lose the ability to manipulate elections, what do you think your chances are of persuading anyone to see your point of view? Voter ID is kind of a no-brainer isn't it?

Retired669

If you people want everyone to have a voter ID mail them one free. If you don't I'd be embarrassed for you to try and argue why not. Voter ID is the red herring of the losers who still can't believe the voters rejected their sorry asses not once but twice! America is changing, you people are not so guess who is going to be the habitual loser?

VladimirPee

Voter ID would have to be free in order to meet Constitutional requirements. A charge for voter ID would be considered a Poll Tax which is Unconstitutional.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Cannot deny that! That is true. A poll tax is unconstitutional.....

BigOlBear

Of course a photo ID should be free ... nobody has ever asked for anything different. But I have two questions for you:

How can we get your photo in order to mail it to you? The whole point is to prove who you are.

Are you capable of debate without name-calling?