Conservative and liberal hypothetical response (Page 2): I have daughters and i believe in God. Any islamists want a crack at my kids? Cmon over ill be waiting with bells on.

Navy Rob Loc: Hampton Roads Va

I have daughters and i believe in God. Any islamists want a crack at my kids? Cmon over ill be waiting with bells on.

Homestead

JFlorio wrote:

Recently I have had discussions with some of the libs on here about what we should do about ISIS. I say kill em, no matter what it takes. Then the libs come out and say the US has caused these terrorists to hate us. I disagree. It is obvious conservatives and liberals view cause and effect totally different. The following is hypothetical. George, a very liberal man lives in a nice middle class neighborhood with his wife and 11 year old daughter. When he comes home from work one day his wife stops him in the driveway and informs him the lady down the streets husband has come home from prison after 25 year sentence for raping a teenager. The mother is scared to death but George tells her to calm down the man has served his time. Later that year while George is mowing the lawn and his 11 year old is playing in the driveway George notices the x con standing in the road staring at his daughter. George waves and the man walks over and introduces himself as Mike. The guy leers at George and tells him he has a pretty little daughter and she should be careful cause she could get raped. George of course panics and asks Mike what he means. Mike tells him exactly how he would like to rape George's little girl. George backs up and says he is calling the police. Mike laughs and walks on home. The police tell George they will confront Mike, who says all he did was introduce himself to George and because George has a little girl he is a hater. The police inform George they talked to Mike and it's his word against George's and there is nothing they can do. George is scared. He believed Mike. He is thinking about moving but decides to talk to his friend from work. Mikes friend Bill is a die hard conservative so even though he seems like a nice guy Mike has always been a little Leary of Bill because of his radicle views on the 2nd amendment and politics in general. He tells Bill the situation. Bill asks, even though he knows the answer if Mike has a gun? Mike says of course not. Bill advises him to take the whole family to a range and learn how to shoot. Tells him to get a concealed carry, the whole nine yards. George just can't see that. he will let the police handle the situation. George's daughter gets raped police arrest Mike. Should George have found away to take Mike out?

Recently I have had discussions with some of the l... (show quote)

You can't defeat a cancer, by taking an aspirin. You might feel better for a while, but, the cancer is still there and growing.

Islam is what has to be defeated.
To defeat it, you have to know what it is.

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

This isn't a Conservative or Liberal issue it is a threat to mankind period and must be stamped out quickly....To allow more is sign our own death warrant!!

Kevyn

JFlorio wrote:

Recently I have had discussions with some of the libs on here about what we should do about ISIS. I say kill em, no matter what it takes. Then the libs come out and say the US has caused these terrorists to hate us. I disagree. It is obvious conservatives and liberals view cause and effect totally different. The following is hypothetical. George, a very liberal man lives in a nice middle class neighborhood with his wife and 11 year old daughter. When he comes home from work one day his wife stops him in the driveway and informs him the lady down the streets husband has come home from prison after 25 year sentence for raping a teenager. The mother is scared to death but George tells her to calm down the man has served his time. Later that year while George is mowing the lawn and his 11 year old is playing in the driveway George notices the x con standing in the road staring at his daughter. George waves and the man walks over and introduces himself as Mike. The guy leers at George and tells him he has a pretty little daughter and she should be careful cause she could get raped. George of course panics and asks Mike what he means. Mike tells him exactly how he would like to rape George's little girl. George backs up and says he is calling the police. Mike laughs and walks on home. The police tell George they will confront Mike, who says all he did was introduce himself to George and because George has a little girl he is a hater. The police inform George they talked to Mike and it's his word against George's and there is nothing they can do. George is scared. He believed Mike. He is thinking about moving but decides to talk to his friend from work. Mikes friend Bill is a die hard conservative so even though he seems like a nice guy Mike has always been a little Leary of Bill because of his radicle views on the 2nd amendment and politics in general. He tells Bill the situation. Bill asks, even though he knows the answer if Mike has a gun? Mike says of course not. Bill advises him to take the whole family to a range and learn how to shoot. Tells him to get a concealed carry, the whole nine yards. George just can't see that. he will let the police handle the situation. George's daughter gets raped police arrest Mike. Should George have found away to take Mike out?

Recently I have had discussions with some of the l... (show quote)

Are you suggesting killing all members of ISIS? since it is unlikely they will give us a membership roster to aid in your project how do you suggest we proceed? Perhaps you want to kill everyone in Iraq and Siria using weapons of mass destruction like poison gas and even nukes. Or should we just kill all 1.6 billion Muslums in the world. This is a tall order even by Stalin or Hitlers standards but that tea bagger work ethic might just pull it off. Your premis perhaps needs some rethinking.

JMHO Loc: Utah

Kevyn wrote:

Are you suggesting killing all members of ISIS? since it is unlikely they will give us a membership roster to aid in your project how do you suggest we proceed? Perhaps you want to kill everyone in Iraq and Siria using weapons of mass destruction like poison gas and even nukes. Or should we just kill all 1.6 billion Muslums in the world. This is a tall order even by Stalin or Hitlers standards but that tea bagger work ethic might just pull it off. Your premis perhaps needs some rethinking.

Typical stupid response from Kevyn, his specialty...not to mention his atrocious spelling.

We can defeat ISIS, without nuking Iraq or Syria (note the spelling), but it's going to take one hell of an expanded air campaign (using aircraft, cruise missiles, and drones...hell, bring back the B-52s) and possibly even troops on the ground. Take out their command and communications, and hammer away at their military might. We will never eliminate them all, but we can sure decimate them. We did it once, but our gutless wonder golfer-in-chief let them expand and rebuild. Iraq and Syria are mostly open country, which makes easy targets...where it will get tough is in the towns and cities, which may require ground troops.

Homestead

Kevyn wrote:

Are you suggesting killing all members of ISIS? since it is unlikely they will give us a membership roster to aid in your project how do you suggest we proceed? Perhaps you want to kill everyone in Iraq and Siria using weapons of mass destruction like poison gas and even nukes. Or should we just kill all 1.6 billion Muslums in the world. This is a tall order even by Stalin or Hitlers standards but that tea bagger work ethic might just pull it off. Your premis perhaps needs some rethinking.

You have a very limited way of thinking.

When Hitler was taking over the world, we did have to finally confront him on the battle field, but, it would have been much easier if the philosophy of eugenics, that drove him, had been confronted and exposed in the beginning.

He became Chancellor of Austria, because, they voted him into power, with 98% of the vote.

Do you really think the Austrians would have voted him in, if they knew what he was really about?

There were people who did know about Hitlers agenda and they tried to tell the public, but, the public wouldn't listen.

Islam could be stopped in it's tracks, without a shot being fired, if people would learn what Islam is. Instead of deciding what they think it is.
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The Story of Mohammed
by Harry Richardson

Islamic scholars have always known that the key to understanding Islam is the story of Mohammeds life. This is good news, because Mohammed was an extremely interesting character.
Unlike any other prophet, Mohammed was also a political and military leader; insisting that Muslims should fight when called upon to put Islam in control of the whole world.

During the last nine years of his life, he and his followers were involved in acts of violent conquest, on average once every seven weeks. By the time he died, he was the King of all Arabia with not a single enemy left standing. The key to his success was a new system of warfare called Jihad which Westerners usually translate as Holy War but which is in fact, far more than this.

The strange fact is that although more is known about Mohammed than any other religious leader[2] , very few people, even in the Islamic world, know his story. This is not an accident. The life of Mohammed is the perfect example for all Muslims to follow, and therefore is the basis for the Islamic religion itself. You would expect then, that most Muslims would be familiar with the story of Mohammed, just as Christians are familiar with the story of Jesus, but this is not the case.

Young Muslims are taught to recite the Koran in Arabic, but are sternly dissuaded from understanding its meaning (four fifths of them do not even speak modern Arabic, let alone the archaic form the Koran is written in). Generally speaking, only those Muslims who are committed enough to want to become Islamic Religious leaders or Imams learn the truth about Mohammeds life. The rest are expected to follow directions from these leaders, who keep this knowledge to themselves.

Today, Muslim populations are exploding across the world as Western birth rates plummet. More than ninety percent of all Wars and armed conflicts today involve Muslims, and almost all terror attacks (more than twenty thousand just in the nine years since 9/11[3] ) are carried out by Muslim Jihadists. The largest and most influential block of countries in the UN (despite their current lack of veto powers) are the fifty seven members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, who also control the lions share of the planets dwindling oil reserves.
http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page.html

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

My, my the argument is getting heated and I have yet to say anything in defense of our defense.

Well lets just look at this situation for a moment. According to their law, "if a man murders a man, then that man must be executed." For isn't murder a road to more murder. Is this not the law of Moses? Is this not the Law of Christ? Is this not the law of the Muslims?

For if this law is followed. Then we must exterminate the group responsible. However, Christ did not say judge, but rather, "judge not lest you be judged!", but does this give them a license to kill?

For if they killed others as well as their own is it not right to go after them. We may render mercy on to them, for that is the way of the Christian, however, mercy and forgiveness, does not alleviate ones responsibility with God. But this is purely a spiritual side.

As far as the human side, since the law states "if a man kills another man, then that man must be brought to justice"
For do we not bring men to justice for murdering in our own lands, yet we are afraid to do so overseas why? Murder is murder whether it is done here or there. However, we have honor and are called civilized, yet we still follow the law. Does that mean the law is wrong? No by all means.

For ISIS not only kills the man, but desecrates the man's body, treating his body like dirt, when in fact that body is the temple of Jesus Christ. Therefore the desecration of the temple of Jesus Christ, is a sin beyond measure. This sin was also recognized by the greatest Empire in the world, the Romans. Yet the Romans took part in the desecration of the Holy Temple of Jesus Christ, and in time were converted, and outlawed such cruelty. Yet, man still believes he must protect God. Why does man have to protect God? Why must man kill man in the name of God, when God can do His Own killing and does?

Now in our case, being victims of the evil which ISIS poses to not only Christians and Jews but their fellow Muslim brothers, is it not prudent to rescue them from this evil?

If the Jews are bound by the law, and the Christians are not bound by that law, and the Muslims are thus again bound by the Jewish law, is it not right for the Christians to intervene and if necessary kill?

For the law applies only to those who were not Baptised in the faith of Jesus Christ, and confirmed by the Holy Spirit. Thus the Jews and Muslims are under the law of Moses, where the Christians are not. Does this mean the law of Moses does not apply to the Christians? Heavens no! For a Christian to remain in the grace of God, the Christian must follow the laws of God, which are written in the law of Moses.

But what makes Christianity different, is in the fact that they can forgive, those who are worthy of forgiveness, therefore showing the light of Christ upon them. Now my bickering and upset friends, I have been reading the Letters of St. Paul all night, so therefore my response is in the methodology of St. Paul. Let me come down from the pulpit of the Church for a moment and respond as a man.

As a man, the murder of those in Iraq, especially those from the Christian villages, I feel as a Christian that my fellow brothers and sisters were killed because they believed in Jesus Christ. The same person or if you may, God, I believe in. Therefore, an attack on one of the members of Christ is an attack on the whole body of Christ.

As a man, if one of my members of my body was to be attacked the other members would retaliate to stop that member from being attacked. Therefore it is prudent to march on ISIS. Did we kill all the members of the Nazi party, or did we just imprison them?

It is true that the members of the Nazi party did some horrible things to the Jews. And for that they were brought up on war crimes and crimes against humanity. And it was through the consensus of the whole world to execute these people.

Now, like the example of the Nazis, we should arrest and try these people before the entire world, to satisfy the accusation point of trial. Then the world can sit in judgement over these people.

If the Christians, who are the injured party, should seek mercy, then that wish should be fulfilled. However, if the crime and sin of these murders are more than the Christians can bear, then it would be right to execute them. But to do nothing when a member of your body is injured by an outside threat is worse than what we do to animals that attack the human person.

Should a man find a beehive, in his yard, and a bee stings him, the bee dies. But does that end the threat of the bees? Does the man not look for the sources of the bees to either destroy the hive or exile the hive away from his loved ones?

Therefore both prudence and justice demand action. Therefore it is right to go after ISIS in a way that all humans can be safe from the brutality of this group.

Although my fear and anger has been kindled against ISIS, that in no way means that I am their judge. They have sophisticated "toys" of war now and the outlaw group believes to be an army. Yet this is no army but a bunch of outlaws that need to be brought to justice.

They are a band of outlaws that are now using the internet to affect the hearts and minds of us all. Do not seek revenge, but seek justice. Punish those who are responsible, so they stop this evil. If they cannot or will not stop this evil, then there is only one alternative left and that alternative is death.

Since 9/11 we have been battling these terrorists. We have attempted on many occasions to make peace. Each peace agreement has be answered with death. Now the only alternative is death. And through death, peace may be granted.

No where in the Bible or the Koran does it state to kill, unless murder is done. However, Muhammad did allude to a justifiable murder, neither Yahweh or Jesus accepted it. Yahweh allowed men to kill if revenge consumed their soul, this is related in the Law of Moses. But Yahweh never approved of murder as an act of aggression. Yahweh did command however, the ancient Israelites to exterminate or smite the inhabitants of the Nephilim or the land of Canaan, for a specific reason. But the Israelites took pity on the people they conquered and tried to unite the peoples.

This proved to be against the will of God, for these people poisoned the Israelites who eventually took on the customs of the people they conquered and sinned against their own God. So, God exiled His people to Babylon until they came to their senses. And when they left their false gods and came to their senses, God welcomed them back to the land of their fathers.

And again they turned against their God, partly because of foreigners, for they turned back to sin. They killed the Son of their God, so God commanded Rome to destroy Jerusalem, and in 70 AD, Emperor Tiberius, did so. He destroyed the Temple and the city. The land was laid waste.

Today, Israel has returned to their senses and is beginning to return to their land and they are building it back up. Instead of us Christians jumping for joy at the sight of the power of God in our time, we condemn Israel for this. Why? There are some among you that say the terrorist problem we have today is because we are allies with Israel.

There are some that feel Palestine should control the land. However, Palestine can't control Hamas, a terrorist organization that taught Osama Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda, which in turn taught ISIS. Which brings us to this dilemma.

Therefore, I agree with going in and destroying ISIS and holding the men responsible for the crimes against humanity. However, I want you to decide, you my fellow OPP brothers and sisters to decide. Briefly, I described the situation in Faith and Reason. I have prayed upon this situation going on 24 days now. And the answer seems to be an invasion.

Every act of peace on our part has been met with another beheaded or crucified person. So, I ask those opposed to the invasion, how many more people, let them be Jew, Christian, or American must die before we act?

Sicilianthing

Navy Rob wrote:

I have daughters and i believe in God. Any islamists want a crack at my kids? Cmon over ill be waiting with bells on.

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I agree, lets chop em' up one small piece at a time...
so they can watch us feed their
body parts to
the pigs...
one piece at a time....
film it and send to
AlFuc*ingJazeera TV and the Middle East as a message....

They keep their pussy shit up... they get fed to the pigs !
PERIOD !

Sympathizers go with em' like
Obama and gang !

Any questions ?

Sicilianthing

Ranger7374 wrote:

My, my the argument is getting heated and I have y... (show quote)

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They don't care about Jesus and laws...
They want total cleansing of their land period ! by slaughter of example and intimidation...
You can't REASON with homicidal mentality !
That's why WAR is insanity...

To win this you have to go in there and start slaughtering every single one of them...
and don't stop until they are all gone...

That's how the wars between Muslims and Christians have been fought and won
for thousands of years ....

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Sicilianthing wrote:

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Let me tell you this, we are going to War. President Obama has isolated himself, John McCain is saying "The only solution to ISIS is to drop Ordnance on them and blow them to smithereens", The chairman of the Joint Chief's says we have to invade Syria and Iraq to get ISIS. We are on the horizon of going to war.

Now you know me, I don't trust Obama. And if he does not go in, and take out ISIS, then we have a responsibility to remove him from office. Therefore, write Congress people, we must invade Syria and Iraq. We are going to war, and now the liberals cannot even stop it.

Sicilianthing

Ranger7374 wrote:

Let me tell you this, we are going to War. Preside... (show quote)

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SemperFi
So tell me when the Militias and Oathkeepers get off their asses and march on Washington... cause I'm all in !
Wouldn't miss that for the world...

and Good I hope we go in there with every single man available
and cleanse them out of their insanity....
I really do....

I hope we push them back to the Fucking STONE AGE !
Then we go after the
BANKSTERS too....
And
Remove the British Crown from our Policy making for ever...

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Sicilianthing wrote:

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One evil at a time. There is no way we are not going to war. And Obama is going to be pushed, is he loyal to America, or the Muslims? We shall see.....

Sicilianthing

Ranger7374 wrote:

One evil at a time. There is no way we are not going to war. And Obama is going to be pushed, is he loyal to America, or the Muslims? We shall see.....

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You're about to find out... and quickly...
As soon as they take Baghdad...
Obama and the British will look like CLOWNWORLDFOOLS !
Idiots !

The mockery will begin... and the Oil will soar in price too...
The biggest poker game between East and West will begin

Russia and Asia will step in Big time too...

This is what the
EVil ones want...
A Third World War over mesopotamia !
The grand prize of the 21st century...

I read a great article on that too....

So let the Games Begin !

BigOlBear

Ranger7374 wrote:

Let me tell you this, we are going to War. Preside... (show quote)

I believe you're right ... we will be going to war. But I'm afraid, under this president, it will take another 9/11 type event to wake him up.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Sicilianthing wrote:

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Let me guess the last battle will be fought in the valley of Armageddon, over by megiddo, Iraq, sound familar?