Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

"And I will shew mercies unto you, that he may have mercy upon you, and cause you to return to your own land." Jeremiah 42:12

Upon the earth, God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. Therefore, I say to you, you still do not understand and are still stubborn for behold, the people of Israel have repented toward their God, and God is allowing them to return.

For the whole world voted on the return of the Jewish people in 1948, however the Jewish people had built up the wasteland since 1880. Yet you fail to see past 1967. Can you give a guarantee greater than God? Can you guarantee that the Jewish people will not be attacked, if they return to the borders you ask them to return to.

I am not a Jew, yet I am a Christian, and I defend Israel because it is right to do so. You say it is not right for the Jews to return to their God given land, You say they should return to borders that would allow them to be attacked even more. Why do you hate the children of God so much, what have they done to you?

You claim they killed thousands of Palestinians, yet the Palestinians attacked them. The war of the envious continues. So in the case of Israel, the Sin that Palestine is guilty of is envy!
Palestine was never a state nor a country. Palestine was a territory of waste land, which the Jewish people built up the land to support both Arab and Jew. But you want them to stop what they are doing. For what they are doing is wonderful in the sight of God and the righteous.

Yet you continue to say "Go back to the 1967 borders". You fail to recognize the truth. You fail to see the error in your statement when even I and many others have attempted to correct you.

Those who have ears let them hear, and those who can read let them understand. Mr. Sanchez is so stubborn that he fails to see the folly of his statements and continues to persecute the Jewish communities living in the ancient land of Israel. He cannot guarantee safety for the Jews, should they fulfill his request. Palestine is a Roman province, that Great Britain resurrected as a colony, during the period of colonies. It was never a country but a territory. Mr. Sanchez wants you to believe that it was Israel's fault, that Israel provoked the Arabs living in the providence to war. When history has already recorded that the Jews began coming home to their ancient land, in the 1880s and cleared the malarial swamps and made the desolate land in habitable once again. Yet they must return to what borders? The Arabs that prospered when the returning Jews prospered are now citizens of Israel, those who did not prosper are now in league with Palestine and Hamas.

Woe to the world for the ancient Philistines are waging war on Ancient Israel, today as they did in ancient days. And Mr. Sanchez is on the side of the Philistines. Shall we call him Sanchez of Gath like his brother Goliath?

Fact, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Trans Jordan(today its Jordan) all attacked Israel. By the power of the God of their ancestors, Israel remained! Let me say that again for the fools among us, Israel won the war against the arabs and even, as victorious as Israel was they were merciful and gave lands to their enemies. Yet their enemies in the Gaza strip, in Palestine, in their unjust jealousy want Israel to be exterminated.

We have tried reasoning with you Mr. Sanchez, and you still don't understand. Now, I will say this, "Israel should not go back to any borders and should remain as is. If the issue is pushed further, then in the interest of true Justice, and Justice on High, Israel should return to the borders God granted them in the ancient days. The cities and towns should be renamed to the names of the ancient days."

You do not agree, well too bad, the facts of Justice have been seen time and time again, yet you continue to argue. 1967 means nothing to a people that have been living since Adam and can trace their ancestral line all the way back to the first man!

Since you cannot provide any proof or justifiable reason, or even a correct evaluation of the situation, you lose. I will not entertain anymore conversation on Israel unless evidence of true accusation against Israel is presented! Israel has a right to defend its self and has a right to the Temple in Jerusalem. The Muslims have no right to King Solomon's temple. The Jewish people are the rightful heirs to the Temple of God.

I believe the temple should also be rebuilt. We united Berlin, why can't Jerusalem, the city of God's peace be reunited? Are the demons and devils that jealous of Israel because they know their time is short?

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

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Let me add one thing, I believe it was Tasine who posted that "being happy was a choice", and don't get all riled up, for Tasine and others, that may be. But if it is a choice for me, it must be a sub-conscious choice. I don't wake up in the morning and say..."should I be sad this morning, or should I be happy?". I wake up in the morning "happy". Now why that is, I don't know, maybe it's just my nature, maybe it is the loving environment, I grew up in, or maybe it was having the greatest parents, in the world. I don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I am, by nature, a "happy" person. Now maybe everyone else, on this site, is happy, but then they must be "Sailors". Because when I was in the Navy we used to say..."A happy Sailor, is a bitc*ing Sailor". So one can only conclude reading these forums, that if these posters are happy, then there are a lot of "Sailors" on this site. :)

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

Peter, you have a good point. I did a little research and came up with a few things:

Biblical Obligation to Preserve Life. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body.

Not only are we to take care of our bodies and the life contained. We have an obligation to preserve the body and life of other people. Psalm 82:4 even cites an obligation to protect those who are in danger:

Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

Proverbs 24:11 Deliver those who are drawn toward death, and hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.

Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.

Luke 22:35-37
And He said to them, "When I sent you without a money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything? So they said "Nothing". Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

God had instructed them to buy and carry a sword.

There is much more on this at: bibicalselfdefense.com

Hope this helps.
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Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Additionally, my understanding of Christianity and the Bible is that Christ was sent to earth to die for man's sins. Given men's sins, that was a heck of an assignment. He KNEW what was in store for him. He knew it because that was the divine plan. I'll grant you I know very little about the Bible, but given a lot of what I've seen of others' knowledge, I don't truly believe anyone knows a great deal about it. I think I know that it is self defeating to try to force others to believe it.

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

Yes ma'am, I agree that it is defeating to try to force others to believe, however if a question is asked I try to give an answer with resources if I can, to help that person to perhaps understand and help them to make an informed decision.

Matthew 5:15

Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

Many others here are much more informed about the bible than I, as I am just a student that tries to continue to gain wisdom. :mrgreen:

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

That's right you old Salt....I too am a sailor, try not to be a complaining one, but liberals make me that way. Arghgg! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

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rumitoid

If every Christian followed the New Commandment Christ gave, there would be no wars.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

As you guys have read, I know a lot of the bible. However, I'm just approaching the tip of the Iceberg, there is so much information about God and Christ it is almost overwhelming. To tell you the truth I believe what John said, "if we were to write down everything Christ did during his three years of public ministry, I doubt the earth would be able to contain the volumes of the witnesses to the works Jesus Christ did here on earth"

Therefore, if the father is greater than the son, and the Earth could not contain the volumes for what the son did, I don't think the whole universe could contain the description of what the father has done, let alone where would the room be for the Holy Spirit and the three in one? And we have problems with just a microscopic speck, the bible? how much more would we have to endure to grasp just one page of creation?

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

I'm by no means a Biblical scholar, but there are verses I remember. And one such verse was Matthew 24:6..."And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet..."

To me that means there will always be "war". You said..."If every Christian followed the New Commandment Christ gave, there would be no wars"... Do you think the Arabs and Jews wouldn't still be waging war amongst themselves? Just asking.

rumitoid

I have no idea when the End Times are coming and made no reference to it. In Revelation, the war between the faithful and evil is being won by the bad guys...until Jesus speaks the Word. It is the word, not weapons, that triumph for heaven.

rumitoid

Exactly. Most Christians do not embrace the spirit of the law, so of course there will be wars and rumors of war. Sunday dress up is not true faith.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Of course they will, if I remember history right, the Arabs are descendants from Esau and the Jews are descendants from Jacob. They have been fighting over the land of Canaan since Abraham left Chaldea. So I guess we can blame Rebecca! :D :D :D :D Isaac's wife. :lol: :lol:

GERARD A. SANCHEZ Loc: Las Vegas, Nv. 89123

The same repetition of extremely long post, can you said something new, we have a lot of problem in U.S.A. now, the economy, the federal deficit, the high cost of living, the rip-off at the service station for the gallon of gas and 45% of oil produced in U.S., American manufacturers moving overseas looking for cheap labor and pay no I.R.S. taxes, and everything is made in China.

GERARD A. SANCHEZ Loc: Las Vegas, Nv. 89123

Ranger7374: You said you are not JEW, you are Catholic who believe in "JESUS" and defend Israel occupation of more Palestine land in 1967. You said the Jews returned to their GOD given land, you know better than me that Jews don't have any God, they are waiting for the "MESSIAH" and if the messiah come and tell them to return to the 1948 borders and leave the occupied territory of 1967, they will CRUCIFY THE MESSIAH, I know they will do that.