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Aug 18, 2014 08:22:54   #
ajj100 Loc: Earth
 
Rand Paul is a true American like his father Ron Paul. If Ron Paul would have been elected for president we wouldn't be in the mess we are now and there would be a lot more jobs for all. Why do I say that? Well Ron Paul would have down sized the big government, cut the unconstitutional taxies. Business would have had a lot more money to hire people. Prices would be lower as production would be up because business's would have more money to invest. The problem is that the people can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. Do the right thing and vote Rand Paul in as the next president. You will be glad you did!

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Aug 18, 2014 10:42:27   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
Fedral law, as you state trumps state law only if it is constitutional. The thing is that the decision as to what is or is not constitutional when it comes to federal law is made by federal courts not some back woods county sheriff or self proclaimed constitutional scholars on right wing chat groups.




There you go, spout off on something you know nothing about. Well, if you would read the Constitution and along with that the Federalist Papers, you would know that ANYONE can nullify a law. It helps if the Sheriff and state are behind the citizens, but the average citizen can nullify a law if it is unconstitutional.

The federal courts are NOT the last word in what the Constitution says or what it means. The Supreme Court is NOT the last word either, even though idiots like you think it is. The people wrote the Constitution, so they are the ones that created the government, not the other way around. The government is a creation of the people and as such, they have the last word as to what that document says.

I would suggest you read this article a few times until you are sure you understand it. Then you can come back and we will try and hold a discussion and MAYBE you will know what you are talking about. Right now you are totally ignorant on the subject and should not even be joining in on the discussion. So then, until you do a little home work and LEARN what you are talking about, I will go back to ignoring you.

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"By Publius Huldah

Our Constitution really was a 5000 Year Miracle.

The attached pdf chart illustrates the Miracle. You can download it and print it out.

Rights come from God, and the purpose of civil governments is to secure the rights God gave us.

Accordingly, WE THE PEOPLE ordained and established the Constitution for the United States of America wherein we created the federal government.

A “federal government” is an alliance of Sovereign States associated together in a “federation” with a national government to which is delegated supremacy over the States in specifically defined areas only.

These specifically defined areas are the “enumerated powers” WE delegated to the three branches of the national (“federal”) government.

The States and The People retained all other powers.

The pdf chart depicts the elegant simplicity of our Constitution; lists the few and defined powers WE delegated to the national government for the Country at Large; shows how the powers WE delegated to the national government secure specific God given rights; and shows the retention of all other powers by the States and The People.

Our Constitution isn’t broken! Our Constitution isn’t outdated. The problem is that WE – who are “the natural guardians” of the Constitution – didn’t bother to learn it. Since we didn’t bother to learn it, we elected representatives who also hadn’t bothered to learn it. And so everyone ignores it.

And we abandoned the religious and moral foundation of our Constitution.

It is our own ignorance of our existing Constitution, and the collapse of religion and morality which have brought us to the brink of destruction.

Our Constitution doesn’t need “fixing”! The only Amendments we need are to repeal some of the previous Amendments we got deceived into approving."

Article can be found here; http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/guardians-of-the-constitution/

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Aug 18, 2014 11:30:53   #
Kevyn
 
AuntiE wrote:
Your lack of knowledge continues to surprise, though it should not. Hmm..."back wood county sheriff"...I wonder how the Sheriff of Manhattan County, Queens County, King County, Bronx County feel about being named as "back woods". For your edification, those are the four counties comprising New York City.

:lol: :lol: :lol: What a dolt you are.
The Sheriffs in those county's arn't making some idiotic attempt to use nullification because they hate the President of the US are they? And while were at it Sheriff Joe in Maricopa county AZ is a back woods hick even though Phoenix is in the desert and part of his jurisdiction.

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Aug 18, 2014 12:31:03   #
rodulfo-tardo
 
The total ignorance you exhibit is like a Goebbeleske fantasy, this Obama's an Emir or Mullahs Fuehrer; but by no means a "President" of this country, he's strictly the Vassar of the Qatari Sultanate and Turkey's grandiose delusion to reinstate the Ottoman Empire; the elitist-intellectual-illiteracy of your narrative would be funny were it not for the terminal state of affairs created by the ideology of your politically-correct group-think mentally defective subjugation of thought controlled idiocy; The stateless state is irrevocable, by the time this sinks in, there will be hell to pay, but like all hicks there will have to be a redefinition, to understand it may serve to call it the politically-correct-cretinate.

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Aug 18, 2014 13:36:52   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
The Sheriffs in those county's arn't making some idiotic attempt to use nullification because they hate the President of the US are they? And while were at it Sheriff Joe in Maricopa county AZ is a back woods hick even though Phoenix is in the desert and part of his jurisdiction.




Just because a Sheriff doesn't nullify a law, doesn't make that law right or Constitutional. As for Sheriff Joe being a back woods hick, you couldn't be more wrong, but then you are wrong on a lot of things aren't you??

It would seem that you have not bothered to read what I ask you to and to tell the truth I know you would not. You absolutely refuse to accept the fact that you could be wrong about something. You know everything and you are never wrong about anything. If anyone that doe snot agree with you tries to teach you anything, you refuse to even consider their point of view and you refuse to read anything that may change your mind. Talk about narrow minded.

By the way, you don't nullify a law because you hate a President, you nullify a law because it is unconstitutional, but then you never learned the difference did you.

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Aug 18, 2014 13:45:13   #
rodulfo-tardo
 
Rand Paul? Rather to eat grass, he's a Progressive recessive like his mentally-defective father, their idea of the Constitution is to redefine it to destruction like this Emir-in-Chief and his A.G Holder have done since 2009.

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Aug 18, 2014 13:58:53   #
Kevyn
 
MrEd wrote:
Just because a Sheriff doesn't nullify a law, doesn't make that law right or Constitutional. As for Sheriff Joe being a back woods hick, you couldn't be more wrong, but then you are wrong on a lot of things aren't you??

It would seem that you have not bothered to read what I ask you to and to tell the truth I know you would not. You absolutely refuse to accept the fact that you could be wrong about something. You know everything and you are never wrong about anything. If anyone that doe snot agree with you tries to teach you anything, you refuse to even consider their point of view and you refuse to read anything that may change your mind. Talk about narrow minded.

By the way, you don't nullify a law because you hate a President, you nullify a law because it is unconstitutional, but then you never learned the difference did you.
Just because a Sheriff doesn't nullify a law, does... (show quote)

As Clint Eastwood once said in a film "A man has got to know his limitations" Sherif Joe didn't and he got spanked hard by the Feds. Is it your contention that each person in this country has the right to determine what laws are constitutional and which are not and follow only those he believes in? If so this sounds a lot like the so called sovereign citizens who feel taxes and vehicle registration are unconstitutional. In case you haven't figured it out these clowns often end up in jail, and as of yet I have not heard of a single judge who agrees with them. As an aside, I get a kick out os some of the the auto correct results on smart phones, did you see yours turned "does not" into "Doe Snot?" Bambi with a head cold I guess.

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Aug 18, 2014 13:59:10   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Kevyn wrote:
Fedral law, as you state trumps state law only if it is constitutional. The thing is that the decision as to what is or is not constitutional when it comes to federal law is made by federal courts not some back woods county sheriff or self proclaimed constitutional scholars on right wing chat groups.


Kevin, you are about as dumb as a fish. A failure of the states to do or not to do an act commanded by the federal gov, is not enforceable upon the states. The central government does not have the man power to enforce all federal laws. The Fed relies on the states to enforce federal law. Look at the borders. In your twisted moron mind you think the gov is enforcing the laws there. You are one dumb dumorat.

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Aug 18, 2014 15:04:09   #
LoboVNVMC Loc: Ashland, OH USA
 
If you are talking about the War of Aggression by the North, it did not really settle anything. Nullification is not the same as session.

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Aug 18, 2014 15:08:15   #
LoboVNVMC Loc: Ashland, OH USA
 
Kevyn wrote:
The issue of nullification of Federal law by the states was clearly decided by the civil war, in case you don't remember the traitors who pushed it got their clocks cleaned by the good guys.


If you are talking about the War of Aggression by the North, it did not really settle anything. Nullification is not the same as session.

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Aug 18, 2014 15:50:20   #
Comment Loc: California
 
LoboVNVMC wrote:
If you are talking about the War of Aggression by the North, it did not really settle anything. Nullification is not the same as session.


The Southern states nullified the Constitution by nullifying it. Take a look at South Carolina's declaration of secession: -----thus (the constitution) was established by compact between the states, a government, with definite objects and powers, limited by express words of the grant.......We maintain that in every compact between two or more parties, the obligation is mutual (contract law); that the failure of one of the contracting parties to perform a material part of the agreement,(breach of contract) releases the obligation of the other; and where no arbiter is provided, each party is remitted to his own judgment to determine the fact or failure, with all its consequences.

The Constitution of the United States, in it's 4th Article, provides as follows:
"No person held o service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.

This stipulation was so material to the compact that without it that compact (Constitution) would have never been made............

Thus, the constitutional compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding states, & the consequences follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation."

Northern States breached the covenant with the Southern states by not returning runaway slaves almost from the ratification of the compact. Therefore, the Southern states had a right to nullify. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that a president can make war on states withdrawing from the compact. This is a matter of basic contract law. Lincoln was the butcher. He is not a hero. In this piece I am not arguing whether or slavery is a good thing. or a bad thing. The South did what it had a legal right to do. The Northern states lied to the Southern states in order to influence them to ratify the Constitution and join the union while all the time knowing they were not going to fulfill their obligation under the compact they signed. 600,000 men died as a result of Yankee lies.

I was accused of rewriting history the other day when I alluded to this information. The last paragraph is mine. All the preceding is taken from the south Carolina Declaration .
I can hardly be rewriting history when it was written a 100 years before I could write.

The chief law enforcement officer in the United States is the president. Eric Holder is the #2 man according to google. :wink: :wink:

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Aug 18, 2014 15:54:35   #
Neal
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, this works fine...
Just need to throw out all those in the
State's Assemblies that do vote against the Peoples
Protections within the
STATES !

But everyone is just
Sleeping still !


Zzzzzzzzz! But thing - state assemblies know that votes to protect the people will seriously reduce a politicians campaign contributions from those who squeeze their profits from the people!! Indigent politicians?? - heaven forfend!

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Aug 18, 2014 17:39:36   #
Sicilianthing
 
Neal wrote:
Zzzzzzzzz! But thing - state assemblies know that votes to protect the people will seriously reduce a politicians campaign contributions from those who squeeze their profits from the people!! Indigent politicians?? - heaven forfend!


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And more reason to peer into all this

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Aug 18, 2014 20:09:15   #
Navy Rob Loc: Hampton Roads Va
 
Speaking of the civil war, the south only wanted independent freedom based upon the ability to generate income within their own borders veceause they were sick of the taxes the federal govt imposed. The south did no more harm that our forebearers who fought the elitist tsxes imposed by england. States rights isnt a bad idea. Big govt does not work

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Aug 18, 2014 20:11:40   #
Navy Rob Loc: Hampton Roads Va
 
The whole "race" issue wasnt a problem until lincoln was up for re election. His hawks wanted him to make him continue the war to crush the south into submission

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