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Aug 14, 2014 19:33:48   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Since you accuse me of changing what you wrote, I must by virtue of so doing have the innate right to do so.

I don't suppose you would believe me if I told you, "You are attempting to do to me that which you accuse me of."

As you said, "When you accuse me of whatever based on your own personal interpretation of Augustus Gretorex, you are very rude."

C'est la vie.

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Augie, can you really compare Opal12's use of the word "rude" to all the name calling and accusations of being "an idiot"? Looks like you're just looking to fight. Opal12 has been considerate and only has offered positions which, in most cases, she can back up. She shows a better understand of psychology than most on this forum. :roll: :roll: ;)

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Aug 14, 2014 19:37:38   #
Ve'hoe
 
I didn't say, what you claim,,, I didn't say you cannot know without seeing,,,, what I said, is I saw it, and lived it, and what you said,, that "we destroyed their country through imperialist action" is not true,, it is a lie,,,

Here is the history of Iraq, and Afghanistan, the lead up to the war, and what happened.. to fight there I had to know a lot about them. As well, I flew around the countries with translators and other troops, and first hand got to know the people all the places and the history..

Now you read,,, if you truly want the truth..

1948 Iraq and other Arab countries launch an unsuccessful war against Israel, which had declared statehood that year.

1958 A military coup overthrows the monarchy, kills King Faisal II, and declares Iraq a republic. General Abdul Karim Kassem becomes Iraq's leader, and begins reversing the monarchy's pro-western policies

1961 The Kurds, located in northern Iraq, revolt and demand autonomy; fighting between the Kurds and the government continues for decades.
1963 Kassem is killed in a coup led Colonel Abd al-Salam Aref and the military as well as members of the Ba'ath party (Feb. 8). The Ba'ath party, founded in Syria, advocates pan-Arabism, secularism, and socialism. Colonel Aref becomes president, Ahmed Hasan al-Bakr of the Ba'ath Party becomes president.
Aref purges the government of Ba'ath party, including President al-Bakr.
1966 Aref dies; his brother, Abdul Rahman Aref, takes over the presidency
1968 Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr overthrows Aref in a bloodless coup. The Ba'ath party again dominates
1970 A peace agreement is signed between the Iraqi government and the Kurds, granting the Kurds some self-rule
1973 Iraq fights in the Arab-Israeli War (The Yom Kippur War) and participates in the oil boycott against Israel's supporters.
1975 Fighting again breaks out with the Kurds, who call for their independence.
1979 Al-Bakr resigns; his vice-president, Saddam Hussein, succeeds him. Hussein swiftly executes political rivals.
1980 The bloody eight-year Iran-Iraq war begins. The main issue is control of the Shatt al Arab waterway, an essential resource providing for water and transportation that runs along the border of both countries
1988 Iraq retaliates against the Kurds for supporting Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, and through "Operation Anfal" slaughters civilians or forces them to relocate. Thousands flee to Turkey.
Iran-Iraq war ends in a stalemate. An estimated 1.5 million died in the conflict .
1990 Iraqi troops invade Kuwait. Saddam Hussein justifies the attack by blaming Kuwait for falling oil prices that harm the Iraqi economy .
The UN imposes economic sanctions on Iraq .
U.S. military forces arrive in Saudi Arabia .
The UN issues a Security Council resolution setting Jan. 15, 1991, as the deadline for Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait, authorizing the use of "all necessary means" if it does not comply .
1991 The Persian Gulf War begins when Operation Desert Storm launched by a U.S.-led coalition of 32 countries under the leadership of U.S. Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf. A campaign of air strikes against Iraq begins . Ground forces invade Kuwait and Iraq, vanquish the Iraqi army, and liberate Kuwait. President George H. W. Bush declares a cease-fire on the fourth day. Shiites and Kurds rebel, encouraged by the United States. Iraq quashes the rebellions, killing thousands.
Formal cease-fire is signed. Saddam Hussein accepts UN resolution agreeing to destroy weapons of mass destruction and allowing UN inspectors to monitor the disarmament.
A no-fly zone is established in Northern Iraq to protect the Kurds from Saddam Hussein.
UN weapons inspectors report that Iraq has concealed much of its nuclear and chemical weapons programs. It is the first of many such reports over the next decade, pointing out Iraq's thwarting of the UN weapons inspectors.
1992 A southern no-fly zone is created to protect the Shiite population from Saddam Hussein and provide a buffer between Kuwait and Iraq. U.S. launches cruise missile on Baghdad, after Iraq attempts to assassinate President George H. W. Bush while he visited Kuwait.
1994 Iraq drains water from southern marshlands inhabited Muslim Shiites, in retaliation for the Shiites' long-standing opposition to Saddam Hussein's government.
1996 The UN Security Council's "oil-for-food" resolution (passed April 1995) allows Iraq to export oil in exchange for humanitarian aid. Iraq delays accepting the terms for more than a 1½ years.
1997 The UN disarmament commission concludes that Iraq has continued to conceal information on biological and chemical weapons and missiles.
Iraq expels American members of the UN inspection team in defiance of the un and its resolution as well as Iraqi agreements.
1998 Iraq suspends all cooperation with the UN inspectors. UN secretary-general Kofi Annan brokers a peaceful solution to the standoff. Over the next months Baghdad continued to impede the UN inspection team, demanding that sanctions be lifted.
Saddam Hussein puts a complete halt to the inspections.
Iraq agrees to unconditional cooperation with the UN inspectors, but by a month later, chief UN weapons inspector Richard Butler reports that Iraq has not lived up to its promise.
The United States and Britain began four days of intensive air strikes, dubbed Operation Desert Fox. The attacks focused on command centers, missile factories, and airfields—targets that the Pentagon believed would damage Iraq's weapons stores.

1999 Beginning in January, weekly, sometimes daily, bombings of Iraqi targets within the northern no-fly zone begin, carried out by U.S. and British bombers. More than 100 air strikes take place during 1999, and continue regularly over the next years. The U.S. and Britain hope the constant barrage of air strikes will weaken Saddam Hussein's grip on Iraq.

AFGHANISTAN:
1960s in the aftermath of a devasting drought, the country rebels against its king, and becomes a Marxist puppet to Russia,,
1970s After much back and forth, Russia invades and crushes the country, with US backing the mujahadein drives out the Russians,,,, the country is fractionated and the Taliban arises from Pakistan and pashtun tribes,,, and takes over almost all the country,,, they are backed by an up an coming terrorist organization named Al Queda,,,,
The Taliban destroys the great buddas in Bamian, as it eradicates all other religions, kills women and children, and forces the northern alliance to reemerge, Massoud the charismatic leader is successful in driving them back and uniting the tribes of the Northern alliance

Sept 11 2001
Al Queda sponsors the attacks on the us, and Taliban assasins kill Massoud, America enters the war, and is welcomed by the provincial govt…. the Taliban is crushed and driven into Pakistan,,,,

The devastation of the Russian wars was horrific,,, entire towns destroyed, rivers dried up and gone, great forests burned and gone,,, wrecked aircraft everywhere, and a destroyed people who could not even read their own languages.

America builds their infrastructure, sends state department, and USDA reps to teach them to get water, farms and survive.
Schools are opened and women are introduced to education.

The war is being won. Obama gets elected,,, and the effort collapses,,, the us death toll goes up three fold, Taliban resurges after Gen McChrystal is fired, and the war effort stalls,,,

Last week, in the great government University that the coalition,, (mainly US) built, a general was shot, and killed,,,


Sept 11 2001…In Iraq… Sadaam continues to defy un sanctions and attacks kurds with chem. Weapons,,, the un issues an ultimatum urged by the us,,, to reveal the WMDs or be invaded,,, because a Nuclear or WMD capable Iraq cannot be allowed “behind” the us forces in Afghanistan….. sadaam falls in a record 30 days….. voting begins, womens rights,,, and obama gets elected and pulls out the muscle. The sunni, under ISIS attack the shia and kurds,,, and then capture the “NON EXISTENT” chemical weapons factories, dumps, and delivery systems

You were aghast that IBM helped the Nazis,,, but the “grand Mufdi,,, travelled to Nazi germany, was impressed with hitlers hatred of the jews, and brought back the ideology of jewish extermination, which he even gave hitler some good pointers on,,,,, his movement became the Bathists…. Of which the most famous you know as Sadaam Hussein,,,, he was a nazi,,,,

Where in all that was the peace???
[quote=Opal12]
Ve'hoe wrote:
And if you cant write, read, or think without telling the truth then please dont waste our time.

You waste our time when you refuse to learn the truth, and as yet, have not been willing to compromise on anything or any belief you hold, even when shown the fallicy of your beleifs...

why do you insist that others compromise when you are unwilling even in the face of firsthand witness and archived factual data?

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Ve'Hoe you have not yet answered my question, did you ever visit either Iraq or Iran in the '60s an '70s?

You do not debate by yelling your opinions. I know you said you were there, but was it before of after we destroyed everything?

War is a terrible solution but you say all the bad things S.H. did were prior to the war. Did you see it with your own eyes?

I ask this question because according to you ONLY what you witness is true. Consequently, answer my question or stop posting attacks against my opinions. I could follow your same tactic and say that you are lying but that means 0(zero) in a debate.
And if you cant write, read, or think without tell... (show quote)

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Aug 14, 2014 19:37:51   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
DennisDee wrote:
Still doesn't change the fact that you are wrong on most issues. I am getting tired of correcting you folks on the facts. I think you just make them up.

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If you are so disturbed by correcting others, why don't you just keep your mouth shut! That would please everyone, Dinny (Dimwit). :roll: :D :D

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Aug 14, 2014 19:41:00   #
Ve'hoe
 
YOu do the same then,, but you haven't,,, you are way too busy thinking what to say next,, making up what other people said, and blaming them for the attributions,, that are untrue,,, that makes you ingenuous, and or a liar.. hardly a person to counsel others on rudeness, considering how much you make up about others!

Opal12 wrote:
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Augustus Greatorex, I am surprised by how interested you are in analyzing my thoughts!

When I say that some people has difficulty in adapting to new circumstances than others I am only repeating what anthropologists and psychologists had observed time after time. Among educators and sociologist it is a common subject since they see that human characteristic in the reality of everyday work.

In my work Behavioral Science is the main subject.

Our life mainly involves judgement. We like this apple and not that. So we buy this one. We keep on this lane of traffic instead of moving to the parallel one, we choose this candidate instead of the other, we prefer this painting over that one and so on.

It might look like an instinctive action but it is our brain the one who does all the work of selection based on prior information we fed it with. That is why it is so important what we read and what we listen at. It is no good to read about one party only. It is good to learn about all of them to be able to decide which can do what we prefer.

As to DennisDee and Bush, you inferred that I knew him because of ... what?
I can tell you the what, you have caged me in some hidden corner of your brain and given me characteristics that may or may not apply to my self.

I say what I think and how I think it. You do not have the right to create an Opal12 according to your measurements and imagination which can be wrong.

When you accuse me of whatever based on your own personal interpretation of Opal12 you are very rude, my friend!

Read what I write without changing it up with anything of your creation. That is the difference between respect and disrespect for others individuality and rights.

As to the black hole and the sunshine, you can choose what you prefer. For me
it is a black hole and I am the one who is writing it. You write your own posting as your mind tells you to do it. You have the right to debate it and I am ready with my reasons to sustain my position, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE IT! It is rude!
.................... br br Augustus Greatorex, I ... (show quote)

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Aug 14, 2014 19:46:04   #
Ve'hoe
 
NO not at all,,, you made racist comments about blacks being baited by "corn pone" that the site moderators removed you and your remarks... because you were being racist,,,,

Besides, it is you leftists who claim that every objection to Obama is racism,,, funny how you are the only one to be removed for that charge!!

Opal, you need to be careful who you associate with,, aleecha has had her posts removed from the site for racism.... and took a forced suspension this weekend, because she cant be civil,,,

What you mistake for anger is merely past interaction, where she got angry and made the racist remarks,, no one made her...




Opal12 wrote:
Alice, I think you gave on the head of the nail! Thank you!

### Yes, Ve'Hoe's reply!!! Prepare by getting an astronaut uniform. Good protection for your head and no chance of contaminated gases! It has its own oxygen supply! Besides who knows maybe the military Ve'Hoe so much adores may help him by sending you to another planet! We are dangerous people for the new world order, we can think by ourselves, we use our brain!!!!!

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Aug 14, 2014 19:48:49   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Alicia wrote:
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Augie, can you really compare Opal12's use of the word "rude" to all the name calling and accusations of being "an idiot"? Looks like you're just looking to fight. Opal12 has been considerate and only has offered positions which, in most cases, she can back up. She shows a better understand of psychology than most on this forum. :roll: :roll: ;)


I made a comparison? That's news to me.

I didn't compare Opal12 to anyone.

She has not demonstrated such an understanding of psychology to me. And my opinion is of more value to me, than your opinion.

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Aug 14, 2014 19:49:35   #
Ve'hoe
 
Sure can,,,,, but what is more important and an easier charge to prove is your racism...

I notice you haven't apologized,,, why do you hate blacks, what have they ever done to you??

I though you lefti-loons loved people of color,,, or is it just people of color who kiss your a-- , stay I line, and do what you demand???

You are a racist,, it isn't my fault for saying so, it is yours from making the vile remarks generalizing about a group of people based on their skin color, which you feel are inferior to you....

That is what is happening,,,and I am sure you want to blow it off, but we are not going to....

RACIST

Alicia wrote:
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Augie, can you really compare Opal12's use of the word "rude" to all the name calling and accusations of being "an idiot"? Looks like you're just looking to fight. Opal12 has been considerate and only has offered positions which, in most cases, she can back up. She shows a better understand of psychology than most on this forum. :roll: :roll: ;)

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Aug 14, 2014 20:06:20   #
VladimirPee
 
OPAL offered positions she can back up? Like not knowing Syria was Secular and Baathist like Iraq?


Alicia wrote:
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Augie, can you really compare Opal12's use of the word "rude" to all the name calling and accusations of being "an idiot"? Looks like you're just looking to fight. Opal12 has been considerate and only has offered positions which, in most cases, she can back up. She shows a better understand of psychology than most on this forum. :roll: :roll: ;)

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Aug 14, 2014 20:12:07   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Sure can,,,,, but what is more important and an easier charge to prove is your racism...

I notice you haven't apologized,,, why do you hate blacks, what have they ever done to you??

I though you lefti-loons loved people of color,,, or is it just people of color who kiss your a-- , stay I line, and do what you demand???

You are a racist,, it isn't my fault for saying so, it is yours from making the vile remarks generalizing about a group of people based on their skin color, which you feel are inferior to you....

That is what is happening,,,and I am sure you want to blow it off, but we are not going to....

RACIST
Sure can,,,,, but what is more important and an ea... (show quote)

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Hey, Dingbat! (There, I called a name!) I am the furthest thing from a racist you can find. I have nothing to apologize for - and especially not to you! My mind is not filled with hate! I truly feel for you and wish you would seek psychological help.

I may dislike some people but I can never hate them. Christians are very good at saying, "hate the sin and not the sinner." How many of them can separate the two. There are a few on this forum who have that capability, but not many.

Just see how many "hate" President Obama! I don't see them saying "I hate what he is doing" but "I HATE OBAMA!" Is that separation of the sin from the sinner?

There are only two things I hate - stupidity and flies! :roll: :roll: :D

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Aug 14, 2014 20:45:02   #
VladimirPee
 
I hate Obama for WHAT he is doing. I did not hate Obama in 2008 because he hadn't done anything yet.


Alicia wrote:
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Hey, Dingbat! (There, I called a name!) I am the furthest thing from a racist you can find. I have nothing to apologize for - and especially not to you! My mind is not filled with hate! I truly feel for you and wish you would seek psychological help.

I may dislike some people but I can never hate them. Christians are very good at saying, "hate the sin and not the sinner." How many of them can separate the two. There are a few on this forum who have that capability, but not many.

Just see how many "hate" President Obama! I don't see them saying "I hate what he is doing" but "I HATE OBAMA!" Is that separation of the sin from the sinner?

There are only two things I hate - stupidity and flies! :roll: :roll: :D
*********************** br Hey, Dingbat! (There, ... (show quote)

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Aug 14, 2014 21:27:00   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
BigOlBear wrote:
This will be interesting to see how the left can debate your facts. It has always irked me that Clinton gets all the credit for the balanced budgets of the 90s. And you're right, the Democrat party has moved so far left that they think moderate Republicans are right wing radicals. Not just a matter of opinion either, just look at the policies.

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You refuse to give Clinton credit but do not hesitate to down President Obama. Remember, it's the president who gets all the blame/honor for everything that's happened during his term(s). Seems to me you are simply "down" on any Democrat. :roll: :lol:

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Aug 14, 2014 21:28:51   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Dave wrote:
Any objective evaluation of the "investigation" by those with the full authority and responsibility to do it would conclude no real investigation took place. You have a sitting President announcing that an alleged ongoing investigation revealed not a smidgeon of corruption - that showed, if nothing else, that no such investigation was taking place. You had a DOJ who claimed to be doing an investigation but then revealed that after more than a year of this investigation they were not even aware that critical e-mails that would normally be part of any investigation were destroyed. Not being aware of that can only be considered incompetent or corrupt itself.

Meanwhile, the fact that tea party organizations were targeted has never really been in dispute - that is exactly what Lerner's planted question and her answer admitted to from the very start. A real investigation would determine is a law was broken - one we're not likely to get with this administration.

I am asking for no rights to be denied, nor am I raging. Intelligent observation is hardly rage.

Meanwhile, that some tea party folks would expect their social security and Medicare benefits continue in no way changes anything I said - and I would hope your observations were more intelligent and less meager attempts at demeaning folks with a different opinion that yours.
Any objective evaluation of the "investigatio... (show quote)



Excellent points. If they ever can the erased emails they might actually have something to go on. However, countless computers erased the Lerner emails at close to the same time, while no others were "lost" but it was just an accident, OF COURSE

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Aug 14, 2014 21:33:57   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
NO not at all,,, you made racist comments about blacks being baited by "corn pone" that the site moderators removed you and your remarks... because you were being racist,,,,

Besides, it is you leftists who claim that every objection to Obama is racism,,, funny how you are the only one to be removed for that charge!!

Opal, you need to be careful who you associate with,, aleecha has had her posts removed from the site for racism.... and took a forced suspension this weekend, because she cant be civil,,,

What you mistake for anger is merely past interaction, where she got angry and made the racist remarks,, no one made her...
NO not at all,,, you made racist comments about bl... (show quote)

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Vehoe. Won't work this time. Opal12 is more intelligent than you and won't fall for your vile comments. She understands you too. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Aug 14, 2014 21:34:54   #
Opal12
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Since you accuse me of changing what you wrote, I must by virtue of so doing have the innate right to do so.

I don't suppose you would believe me if I told you, "You are attempting to do to me that which you accuse me of."

As you said, "When you accuse me of whatever based on your own personal interpretation of Augustus Gretorex, you are very rude."

C'est la vie.


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Yes, that is life, no doubt about it.

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Aug 14, 2014 21:38:37   #
VladimirPee
 
Alicia

The liberals on this site are perhaps the most uniformed group I have ever seen. Either they parrot propaganda which has been fed to them , post propaganda from far left extremist websites or simply make shit up. You and Opal included.


Alicia wrote:
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Vehoe. Won't work this time. Opal12 is more intelligent than you and won't fall for your vile comments. She understands you too. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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