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Apr 24, 2024 11:27:29   #
okie don
 
AuntiE wrote:
It is my duty to inform you presenting anything related to China and its behaviors is verboten.

Let me explain. Because Xi smiles and appears friendly, we must discount his true aims. Putin has a stern face; therefore must be perceived as a bad guy.

Making it simple:
China = good
Russia= bad bad bad

They have lived with their hysterically screaming of Russia for so many years, it cannot be given up.

My work here is done.
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Thanks Auntie,
My feelings exactly.
Russia Bad
China Good
Completely Bass Ackward, as usual.

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Apr 24, 2024 13:48:20   #
pegw
 
Steven smith wrote:
I found this on the internet.
This guy was talking about how the doctrine of MAD was becoming outdated.
What are some thoughts about this?

The whole idea of MAD, which stands for Mutual Assured Destruction, has this kind of retro, Cold War vibe to it, doesn't it? It's like a throwback to those tense times when the big players, especially the USA and the USSR, basically had this unspoken agreement: "If you launch your nukes at me, I'll launch mine at you, and we'll all go down together." It worked, in a grim way, because it was based on the logic that no rational actor would want to initiate a conflict that ends in their own annihilation.

But saying MAD is becoming outdated is like saying flip phones aren't the go-to mobile device anymore. The world has changed—a lot. First off, the number of players on the nuclear field has increased. It's not just a two-party standoff anymore. With countries like North Korea, India, and Pakistan in the nukes club, the dynamics have shifted. The more players you have, the harder it becomes to predict everyone's moves, increasing the risk that someone might miscalculate.

Technology has also changed the game. Advances in missile defense systems might tilt the scale, giving some nations the false confidence that they could intercept incoming nukes, potentially making them bolder. But, let's be real, missile defense isn't a foolproof umbrella, especially against a full-scale launch.

Then there's the whole shift towards cyber warfare and hybrid warfare tactics. Countries might engage in cyberattacks on nuclear facilities or use misinformation to destabilize regions without ever having to resort to launching a nuke. It's like warfare has become more about poking the opponent in various ways to see where they're most vulnerable, instead of just threatening them with the big, nuclear stick.

Lastly, there's a generational shift in thinking. The Cold War generation, which directly felt the terror of the nuclear shadow, is gradually stepping back. Younger generations might not view nuclear war with the same level of existential dread, possibly diluting the psychological deterrence of MAD. Or, paradoxically, their detachment might lead to a reevaluation of nuclear weapons’ role in international relations, pushing towards disarmament or novel forms of deterrence.

In essence, MAD is kind of like a vintage car. It's a classic, it had its time when it was the pinnacle of deterrence theory, but in today's complex, technologically advanced, and multipolar world, it just doesn't fit the streets anymore. The global strategic environment is calling for new thinking, more suited to the diverse, interconnected challenges of the 21st century.
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You have a lot of good points, but the part that still remains the same is that three or more hydrogen bombs over large cities would cause Nuclear Winter which would kill us all.

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Apr 24, 2024 13:56:14   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
okie don wrote:
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Thanks Auntie,
My feelings exactly.
Russia Bad
China Good
Completely Bass Ackward, as usual.


Let us not leave out the hilarious talking point that Putin wants to take over Europe. As if!!! Putin has no desire to conquer countries who have allowed themselves to be taken over by immigrant hordes with absolutely zero added value to those countries.

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Apr 24, 2024 14:09:31   #
martsiva
 
Steven smith wrote:
I would hope that he is bluffing.
The Soviet people have suffered much more the past hundred years than American has.
I believe they could more likely survive a nuclear strike than we could.
They are used to a lot of hardships.
They are a country that has promoted a godless ideologies for decades so they cannot be relied on for anything other than a very bad outcome.
The United States is now on the road to boot God out of every facet of what made America great. I see America facing a bleak future also if we cannot restore some semblance of a representative government back to the founders intentions.
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Apr 24, 2024 14:42:47   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
manning5me wrote:
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Of course. But it would herald the most miserable existence possible for both. All foodstuff would possibly be contaminated by radiation, and if you do not have a rad meter, you could be dead real soon.



Any nuclear exchange involving 100's of detonation is not going to be limited to damage in the countries involved. Besides the world wide spread of radiation and changes in weather patterns (ex. nuclear winter) disruptions to communication, trade, travel etc. would effect everybody. This would include essentials such as food and fuel. Even having a rad meter might not help much. It can tell you if a potential food/water source is contaminated, but would do nothing to fill your belly or quench your thirst.

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Apr 24, 2024 16:27:56   #
manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.
 
SeaLass wrote:
Any nuclear exchange involving 100's of detonation is not going to be limited to damage in the countries involved. Besides the world wide spread of radiation and changes in weather patterns (ex. nuclear winter) disruptions to communication, trade, travel etc. would effect everybody. This would include essentials such as food and fuel. Even having a rad meter might not help much. It can tell you if a potential food/water source is contaminated, but would do nothing to fill your belly or quench your thirst.
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A large bomb exploded at the right altitude would send EMP energy throughout the US, wrecking total havoc on the power grid, vehicles, and electronics nation-wide. Air navigation aids, broadcast stations, a lot would be out of action for some time.

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Apr 24, 2024 17:44:18   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
That also!

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Apr 24, 2024 17:48:03   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
manning5me wrote:
A large bomb exploded at the right altitude would send EMP energy throughout the US, wrecking total havoc on the power grid, vehicles, and electronics nation-wide. Air navigation aids, broadcast stations, a lot would be out of action for some time.


”for some time.”, more like decades!

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Apr 24, 2024 19:12:23   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
America 1 wrote:
Got it, thanks for your advice.
I'll attempt to be more careful in the future.


Above all, I appreciate the humor.

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Apr 24, 2024 19:18:31   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
America 1 wrote:
Above all, I appreciate the humor.


My work here is complete!

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Apr 25, 2024 09:27:32   #
pegw
 
AuntiE wrote:
Let us not leave out the hilarious talking point that Putin wants to take over Europe. As if!!! Putin has no desire to conquer countries who have allowed themselves to be taken over by immigrant hordes with absolutely zero added value to those countries.


Some of the so called immigrant hoards are Russians, which make up a sizable group in Europe

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Apr 25, 2024 10:05:54   #
okie don
 
pegw wrote:
Some of the so called immigrant hoards are Russians, which make up a sizable group in Europe


Peg,
Maybe you should take a trip over there and witness how most speak Russian.
Remember, we cannot rely on what CNN anc MSNBC tell us.

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Apr 25, 2024 10:09:55   #
okie don
 
pegw wrote:
Some of the so called immigrant hoards are Russians, which make up a sizable group in Europe


Peg,
Also remember that Pelosie and many other politicians make big bucks in the Military armament industry. More wars, more bucks$$$. It called modern day money Laundering. That's exactly why we are not told where these billions of dollars go.
Sheeple are not allowed to know.

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Apr 25, 2024 10:12:22   #
okie don
 
pegw wrote:
Some of the so called immigrant hoards are Russians, which make up a sizable group in Europe


Peg,
I hope you got your income tax in timely so you won't be penalized. Need to tax and send more money to Ukcraine!👍🤔

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Apr 25, 2024 13:18:34   #
manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.
 
AuntiE wrote:
”for some time.”, more like decades!


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Experiments with vehicles seems to indicate their period of inoperability could be as short as a day or two if properly addressed. For the grid, quite a long time to fix it if transformers have blown, since the supply of spares is minimal, and spinning it back up has to wait sector by sector till they are replaced. Years, perhaps longer.

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