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Apr 24, 2024 06:58:56   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Lily wrote:
You can use it to season green beans.


Makes great gravy too.

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Apr 24, 2024 07:05:35   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Jonathan Cahn on America: Historic Parallels

Are there are any historic parallels between Israel and the United States?

To answer that question, were were blessed to have on our program Christ in Prophecy Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. Rabbi Cahn is the spiritual leader of the Beth Israel Worship Center in Wayne, New Jersey and best-selling author of the book The Harbinger and a new book titled The Mystery of the Shemitah. Both books have been best sellers and highly controversial in Christian circles.

The Bible teaches that God never pours out His wrath on a nation without first sending remedial judgments and prophetic voices to warn of God’s impending judgment and to call the nation to repentance. Rabbi Cahn believes that when it comes to the United States, God already has been emphatically warning us, and since we haven’t listened, is delivering us from judgment to destruction. And, as always has been the case with anyone who historically speaks out in prophetic manner calling people for repentance, Jonathan has of course been severely attacked.

In this series we are going to discuss his basic message concerning God’s warnings to America and also ask him about some of the accusations that have been hurled against him.

Historic Parallels

Nathan Jones: Do you believe that when it comes to God’s judgment on the nations, that Israel is the model for the world?

Jonathan Cahn: Yes.

Nathan Jones: So any nation would fall under the same judgments as Israel did if that nation rejects God?

Jonathan Cahn: Well, it can. Yes, the thing is that God is consistent, number one. God is the same God. He doesn’t change. And number two, the Bible says what was written to Israel is for us. So, in other words, Israel is the one model we have for anything. God dealt with Israel. Israel is the center of God’s purposes. Anytime you hear a message preached, it’s generally something that’s happened to Israel that applies to all of our lives. We see from the Bible that it’s not only Israel God has also judged, but other nations back then as well. But, Israel is the template, of course.

Nathan Jones: There are just so many parallels between God’s treatment of Israel and the United States according to your book.

Jonathan Cahn: It’s amazing!

Dr. Reagan: You have pointed those out over and over, and I have over the years too in some of my books that I’ve written. We’ve pointed out that Israel had great spiritual leaders. I’m talking about Judah in particular. They had great spiritual leaders. They had prosperity. They had safety. God blessed them in so many ways, just as He has done with us. But, it ultimately led to pride and to rebellion, and that’s exactly what’s happening to us as a nation.

You know, Jonathan, there are people I run across — Christians — who actually think God sits on His throne wrapped in an America flag. They say, “Oh, God would never touch us. He would never touch us.” What did the people say to Jeremiah? “God lives in our temple. He will never touch us.” Let me tell you, if God will destroy Jerusalem and His very Temple, He will destroy the United States of America. People need to know that.

Jonathan Cahn: Yes, there’s something special about the relationship. There are two extremes. One is to say that there’s nothing special about America, but that’s not true. On the other hand, to say that America is Israel or that the main thing is patriotism, that’s not it either. The main thing is God. There is only one God. Even patriotism can become a god.

The point is that God says that there’s no nation that’s exempt from His judgment. Even Israel itself, which was built by God and had the Temple, was not exempt. The Lord said to Jeremiah to the effect, “You keep on saying, ‘This Temple, this Temple,’ but I’ll destroy this Temple.” He said to Ezekiel, “Your wife is going to die.” God was saying that like a death Israel’s sin was how much it was hurting him. This judgment then has to happen to Israel.

If judgment happened to Israel, then we here in the United States certainly cannot say we are exempt, rather in fact it’s the opposite — we are in danger! To much that is given, much is required. The more we’ve been blessed, the more we are accountable and the more severe the judgment.

In the third segment of our interview with Jonathan Cahn on America, we’ll go back into the history of the United States and look at the Puritan Covenant.

And Yahweh appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him,
"I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.
If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land,
or if I send pestilence among my people, if my people, which are called by my name,
shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways,
then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and will heal their land."
2 Chronicles 7: 12-14


Jonathan Cahn: The Reign of Baal
b Jonathan Cahn on America: Historic Parallels /b... (show quote)


I like Jonathan Cahn, also Jack Hibbs, JD Farag, a few more.
It is interesting that Jerusalem is the center of the earth.

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Apr 24, 2024 08:03:19   #
Steven smith
 
Knightlady wrote:
Well, darn. I wear sweats and a t-shirt to a physicians office.


Classy can also be a state of mind😊

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Apr 24, 2024 08:59:55   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
Steven smith wrote:
I see two extremes forming here in the United States.
One based in moral values and the others based in secular principles.


Right on! America needs *another Knight in shining Armor, [ Ie: Trump]...to right these wrongs...

if they allow him to live long enough, to perform ~this feat... & do not "JFK him", on the way to righteousness!

~ DRAIN THAT SWAMP! [ Donald: Look over your] shoulder,at all times...Demo'rat, backstabbers everywhere!]

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Apr 24, 2024 09:33:47   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Ronald Hatt wrote:
Right on! America needs *another Knight in shining Armor, [ Ie: Trump]...to right these wrongs...

if they allow him to live long enough, to perform ~this feat... & do not "JFK him", on the way to righteousness!

~ DRAIN THAT SWAMP! [ Donald: Look over your] shoulder,at all times...Demo'rat, backstabbers everywhere!]


Yep!
America needs Trump back in office!
The Left's subterfuge must be extinguished.

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Apr 24, 2024 10:04:15   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
There was nothing wrong with our education until Carter decided to foist a brand new bureaucracy, the Department of Ejuhmuhkashun on this country. Now, foreign students come to this country to major in the Sciences while US students get degrees in "Gender Studies" and expect someone else to pay for it.

Are you seriously blaming the Dept. of Education for what students are interested in studying? In most other developed countries science isn't vilified for being a threat to religion like it is here. Maybe THAT something to do with it.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Failing grades are not given to failing students because of "racism."
Math, English and History are no longer emphasized for the same ridiculous catch all excuse.

That's complete BS.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Kids graduate high school today with what would have been considered a mediocre 7th or 8th grade education in the early seventies when I finished high school.

I also finished high school in the 70's and I remember the standards even then being much lower than in England where my cousins went to school... same age but always two or three years ahead in their studies. They could even recite all the capitals of all the states in the U.S. whereas some of the American kids I was going to school with couldn't even find their own country on a world map. That WAS the 70's!

Ya know why my family immigrated to the U.S.? Because the aerospace industry needed engineers and they had to find them in Europe because there was a shortage of American talent. Why? Because the education system in America sucked even then and THAT was in 1963!

So you're trying to feed BS to the wrong person, Smedly.

Education in the U.S. has ALWAYS scored low on the global scale because it has always been a low priority and the influx of better educated immigrants into the U.S. job market didn't start with Carter. It was ALWAYS an issue.

Here's my theory, if you're not too insulted to read it.

First of all, America has always been business-driven, going all the way back to colonial days when many of the colonies themselves were in fact corporate assets. Secondly, not all students going to college actually graduate. Last I looked, the rate was about 60%.

So, from a business perspective, it doesn't make as much sense to pay more tax for a domestic education system that will give industry a 60% return on the investment as it does to cut that tax and just hire qualified talent produced by other countries on their dime.

This sucks for American students, but capitalism has never been about the people, it's always about the dollar.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Throwing more money at it is not the solution.

That depends on what you DO with the money. Just putting gas in the tank isn't going to make your car go either, you have to actually turn the engine on and drive it, but without that gas it ain't gonna happen.

One thing is certain, defunding education isn't a solution either. In fact, it does make the situation worse and this is just what conservatives have been doing since the 70s.

For instance, Trump proposed a 13.5% cut to education in his 2018 budget. That's par for the Republican course but the conservative war on education isn't limited to budget cuts. For example, there is the infamous voucher introduced by the Bush Administration. The voucher allows for taxes earmarked for public education to be siphoned off to privately owned and operated charter schools that happen to have a high rate of failure.

Smedley_buzkill wrote:

Lowering educational standards is like sanctifying the pigpen.

...Especially when education standards are already low. And yet, this is just what Bush and his conservatives did when they started to push for standardized testing under his "No Child Left Behind" campaign. Conservatives suddenly thought they could cut funding for actual education if they could just fake it with impressive test scores and so they dropped the standards so that even the slowest kids can "make the grade".

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Apr 24, 2024 10:28:21   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Steven smith wrote:
I see two extremes forming here in the United States.
One based in moral values and the others based in secular principles.

This type of fallacy is called a "false dilemma". Where mutual exclusivity is implied but not real. You are implying we have to choose between moral values and secular principals because they can not co-exist. But that is effectively a lie.

Secularism DOES co-exist with moral values. Just because secularism doesn't allow the church to run the government doesn't mean it's stopping it from guiding citizens in their personal lives. In fact secularism actually protects religious freedom because it allows people to to choose whatever religion they want to participate in.

This is why secularism was guaranteed by our Founders with the 1st Amendment... BECAUSE they were trying to avoid the situation in England where people were forced to comply with the Church of England and not a denomination of their own choosing.

Those pushing for an end to secularism are pushing for a return to the dark-ages where theocratic governments controlled the moral codes that everyone was forced to obey. There are examples of this today as well, such as Iran which actually has a moral police force that puts people in prison not obeying dress codes.

Is that what you want?

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Apr 24, 2024 11:33:26   #
1ProudAmerican
 
pegw wrote:
The thing I really hate is the lying in politics, especially by Trump. According to the NY Times, he has lied 30,000 times. His second greatest big lie is that his judges are all in collusion with the Democrats to persecute our favorite career criminal.


According to the NYT, you are in the top 10% of ignorant democRATS!!!! At least you have excelled in something.

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Apr 24, 2024 11:39:35   #
1ProudAmerican
 
AuntiE wrote:
It would appear you are unaware that many churches, of multiple denominations, offer after service refreshments and sometimes a meal.


...and many offer meals during the week as well as food banks for those in/around their churches

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Apr 24, 2024 12:04:56   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Ronald Hatt wrote:
Right on! America needs *another Knight in shining Armor, [ Ie: Trump]...to right these wrongs...

if they allow him to live long enough, to perform ~this feat... & do not "JFK him", on the way to righteousness!

~ DRAIN THAT SWAMP! [ Donald: Look over your] shoulder,at all times...Demo'rat, backstabbers everywhere!]

You are emphasizing what I consider to be the worst character of the right... The weak and submissive need for a knight in shining armor to do everything for them.

I always think of Obama's slogan "Yes WE Can!" and how it appeals to his base of people who consider themselves to be part of the solution. Then I contrast that with Trump's constant self-praising statements like "I alone can fix this!" and how that appeals to his base of people, conditioned all their lives to think they need superior beings to save them from themselves.

SO beta.

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Apr 24, 2024 13:25:17   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
straightUp wrote:
This type of fallacy is called a "false dilemma". Where mutual exclusivity is implied but not real. You are implying we have to choose between moral values and secular principals because they can not co-exist. But that is effectively a lie.

Secularism DOES co-exist with moral values. Just because secularism doesn't allow the church to run the government doesn't mean it's stopping it from guiding citizens in their personal lives. In fact secularism actually protects religious freedom because it allows people to to choose whatever religion they want to participate in.

This is why secularism was guaranteed by our Founders with the 1st Amendment... BECAUSE they were trying to avoid the situation in England where people were forced to comply with the Church of England and not a denomination of their own choosing.

Those pushing for an end to secularism are pushing for a return to the dark-ages where theocratic governments controlled the moral codes that everyone was forced to obey. There are examples of this today as well, such as Iran which actually has a moral police force that puts people in prison not obeying dress codes.

Is that what you want?
This type of fallacy is called a "false dilem... (show quote)


If someone slapped you aside your head they'd get a fistful of splinters. If a jackass like you wasn't so dangerous and disgusting you'd be regarded as something to bypass, walk around like a fresh pile of dog dodo on the lawn and if one did accidently step in it they'd scrape it off, wash it off then disinfect their shoe.

You are either a liar, a fool or one who vigorously encourages and supports the consciously immoral cultural Marxist Democrat Party and their Communist goals, especially the ones attacking traditional American morals and values, whose validity you rejected yesterday. The ones exposed in those 45 Communist goals you called McCarthyism.

Before you monsters invaded, America possessed a very workable BALANCE between Church and State. It wasn't a forced balance, it wasn't called a Christian BALANCE, it was a balance based on a knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil that was accepted by an overwhelming majority because it worked. All forms of Marxism must destroy that balance especially if it's based on any understanding they have a foundational Christian origin. The America Republic was created as a secular nation based on Christian morals, values, a predominent faith, family, love and respect of country. What you cultural Marxist have accomplished is to attack and seriously damage every one of those basic foundational American principles and you did purposedly and you did it out of hatred. We know you hate America because we can see what you replaced what we were to what we are now, a decadent, degenerate, society where sexual perverts, and Marxist Social Justice warriors reign superior. The secular and sacred had a very workable balance until you elevated the type of secular designed to intentionally attack the sacred.

Your talk of returning to the dark ages, a false dilemma, that the secular protects religion, confusing the 1st Amendment with the 2nd regarding the Church of England, any desire for an American theocracy, and establishing a moral police like Iran only proves you're full of bullshit and an effing idiot.

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Apr 24, 2024 13:46:44   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
straightUp wrote:
...Especially when education standards are already low. And yet, this is just what Bush and his conservatives did when they started to push for standardized testing under his "No Child Left Behind" campaign. Conservatives suddenly thought they could cut funding for actual education if they could just fake it with impressive test scores and so they dropped the standards so that even the slowest kids can "make the grade".


Before you claim BS, you should do a little research. If you can. You claimed my statement of lowering standards because of racism were BS
You: "That's complete BS."
Me:
https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2021/08/13/oregon-abolishes-academic-standards-in-the-name-of-equity-and-antiracism/

Perhaps, in your doubtless self-assured omniscience, you can explain why spending truckloads of money on diversity crap and lowered standards is going to help little Johnny or little Rashad learn long division.

https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/washington-public-school-officials-lower-academic-standards-as-they-implement-critical-race-theory

https://www.discovery.org/education/2022/10/26/equity-is-eroding-education/

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Apr 24, 2024 13:55:43   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
You are emphasizing what I consider to be the worst character of the right... The weak and submissive need for a knight in shining armor to do everything for them.

I always think of Obama's slogan "Yes WE Can!" and how it appeals to his base of people who consider themselves to be part of the solution. Then I contrast that with Trump's constant self-praising statements like "I alone can fix this!" and how that appeals to his base of people, conditioned all their lives to think they need superior beings to save them from themselves.

SO beta.
You are emphasizing what I consider to be the wors... (show quote)


sUp; you should just look in the miror and point to identify who represents your accusations.

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Apr 24, 2024 14:00:17   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
straightUp wrote:
...Especially when education standards are already low. And yet, this is just what Bush and his conservatives did when they started to push for standardized testing under his "No Child Left Behind" campaign. Conservatives suddenly thought they could cut funding for actual education if they could just fake it with impressive test scores and so they dropped the standards so that even the slowest kids can "make the grade".


One more thing. You went to school in the seventies same as I. Apparently California schools were already on the downward spiral then.
I have personally seen kids boast of math scores who cannot extract a square root with pencil and paper. the math problems we did by hand are now done on calculators. There is nothing wrong with using them once you have proven your ability to solve problems without them. Test scores are artificially raised by dumbing down the questions.
Students today use calculators on their SATs. They were not allowed when I took SATs and ACTs. Math scores WITH calculators were lower last year than in 1973.

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Apr 24, 2024 14:01:32   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
straightUp wrote:
You are emphasizing what I consider to be the worst character of the right... The weak and submissive need for a knight in shining armor to do everything for them.

I always think of Obama's slogan "Yes WE Can!" and how it appeals to his base of people who consider themselves to be part of the solution. Then I contrast that with Trump's constant self-praising statements like "I alone can fix this!" and how that appeals to his base of people, conditioned all their lives to think they need superior beings to save them from themselves.

SO beta.
You are emphasizing what I consider to be the wors... (show quote)


With you, of course, willing to fill the niche.

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