jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

Absolutely.

straightUp Loc: California

...Says the guy who can't even spell his name right. LOL
The ONLY thing in the Communist Manifesto that is enumerated in any way is what Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels (they were both authors of the document) described as "measures" that would probably characterize the most advanced societies.

These measures which they also suggested were generalizations that would vary from from one country to another have been misrepresented in the anti-communist literature as immovable "planks", written in stone as if they were the Ten Commandments. All part of the red scare. Funny as hell.

Here is the only so-called "plank" that even mentions education...

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in it's present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc., etc."

Yes, they actually wrote "etc., etc." because it wasn't a set of rules, it was a set of assumptions about what advanced society might look like.

That being said... I can see why a conservative like you, convinced that these are actual rules would be so upset about it... After all, free education for the children makes it accessible to poor children. How horrible! And laws that prohibit factories from exploiting children for labor? That's even worse!

How dare the liberals in America make education available to the children of impoverished families that we are trying so hard to keep impoverished. How dare they tell business that they can't throw children into factories to work for peanuts until they die.

Dang liberals!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

According to communist goals for America compiled by FBI agents who had infiltrated American Communist Cells, the Marxist free education agenda is as follows:

"#17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations."

Here's the rest of those goals. I believe you'll find yourself and the Democrat Party in full support of them:

https://www.newsandsentinel.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2021/08/have-the-communists-achieved-their-goals/

I can already hear you yawn and your eyes glaze over.

Steven smith

The posts that are made in support of communism and left wing ideologies never have substance to them . They gloss over decades of historical facts and point out everything bad about capitalism.
When capitalism is allowed to function as it should then it will self correct everytime instead of what we have now.

straightUp Loc: California

Actually, I'm laughing my ass off. 1963 was the height of McCarthyism which has long been exposed as a propaganda campaign. For people like you, it's ALWAYS a matter of subscription. Which source will you believe? But for people like me, it's about analysis and the process of deciding for ourselves.

Reading the manifesto literally, there is nothing nefarious about the tenth measure. In 1848 when it was published, children WERE abused. Unless they were from a privileged family, they did not go to school, they worked in factories and on the fields instead where they stayed illiterate and controlled for duration of their short wretched lives. A lot of people were eager to put an end to that.

And reading the 45 "communist goals" according to people who feared the threat of social progress, it's exactly as I would expect. A list of exaggerations, misrepresentations and conspiracy theories about the progressive movement designed to help persecute it's activists.

I can't believe people are STILL stupid enough to be misled by it.

lindynduff1

I think three quarters of the country is working hard, putting food on the table, running their businesses, taking care of others and looking towards the next election. They are not disrupting, admonishing or trying to figure out how to wreck their neighbors life. They will vote and the full power of the US military will assure that the person with the most electoral votes will win. Then they will all continue to go on doing exactly what they are presently doing. They will continue to obey laws and full fill their responsibilities. Exactly as we have been doing for 300 years. Steve Bannon’s dream of destroying democracy will be deader than it is now

Steven smith

I would really like to believe what you said but I have a more pessimistic view.
I hope you are right and I am wrong.

straightUp Loc: California

I think the problem is that some people are so brainwashed by their puppet masters they are unable to see any substance in liberal arguments because they're too busy screaming at them to pay any attention to what they are actually saying.


What's wrong with pointing out the flaws of ANY system? Are we not allowed to be critical?

Look, it makes sense for one to be more concerned about systems that he is affected by. As Americans, we are not affected by communism. We are not a communist country. We are primarily capitalist so, it makes sense to be critical about capitalism. That's just being smart.

As for the decades of historical facts... I'm pretty certain you are referring to the horrors of Soviet and Sino "Communism" but there is no parallel between those horrors and the theory of communism itself. What you are saying is no different than saying we need to ban guns because they've been used murder people, therefore guns murder people. Seriously, that's how ridiculous it is.

Personally, I don't think communism would work in America, so I'm not an advocate. For one, we Americans struggle too much with our selfishness. Marx was pretty clear about communism being an evolutionary thing and we are not even close to being evolved enough to implement ANY system that depends on our sense of justice.


OK, so here's the glaring gap that for some weird reason you folks never see. Yes, the "Invisible Hand" as Adam Smith called it, is the self-regulating property of a free market but the fact is, a LOT of people can suffer in the meantime.

Weather is also a self-regulating system and yet people die from floods and hurricanes while the planet regulates itself. What you are saying about self-regulated capitalism is no less ridiculous than telling people not to concern themselves with the approaching hurricane because next week there will be blue skies again.

straightUp Loc: California

I think you're right for the most part. Not so sure about the full power of the U.S. military being used for that purpose - it would be a little bit overkill for the mere 538 voters that decides our elections for us. ;)

Lily

FYI, you may have just trashed your new good reputation.

Steven smith

I could take time to offer some insight into what you stated about my post so I will boil it down to the essence of all of this political rhetoric.
Our country has left its roots and no longer has an anchor to survive the storms on the way. Sure there are millions who believe in constitutional government as it was written. In the end they will survive because they have an anchor in something more than man’s ideologies. I propose that the anchor is the Bible with Jesus Christ as preeminent above all. This will all end as the Bible states no more no less.
That’s my view and I hope God gives me the strength to live up to what I have stated.

Ready player 1

You know how you can tell? It shimmers in the sun...☺️

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Here’s a short list of Biden’s magnificent accomplishments.
▪ a collapsing stock market,
▪ government overreach and expansion,
▪ out of control national debt and increased government spending,
▪ politically weaponized DOJ, FBI and CIA,
▪ the diluting of our educational standards and educational system,
▪ crippling the American energy industry,
▪ stifling small businesses and business in general,
▪ increasing prices of goods and essentials outpacing wage increases for the middle class,
▪ continued tax increases across the board,
▪ the ongoing fight to limit or deny our Constitutional rights,
▪ increased crime and reduced penalties for said crimes,
▪ a nation without borders,
▪ ignoring our national immigration laws and rewarding the violators,
▪ government (Ds and Rs) ignoring and violating their oath of office to protect our citizens and this nation,
▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support wars that are not in our national interest,
▪ sending billions of unaccounted for tax dollars to support enemy nations,
▪ officials violating their oath of office by aiding and abetting our self professed enemies by handing them billons of dollars of hi-tech weapons and military equipment making them one of the top fighting forces in the world,
▪ providing favors and information to long term national enemies in turn for self riches,
▪ a weakening and unprepared military, and
▪ government attacking, demonizing and penalizing American citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.


Bidens' money trail to Russia, China, and Ukraine exposed
https://youtu.be/YGcKDTqhGM0

https://youtu.be/YGcKDTqhGM0

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I find it is a depends on the day, and even sometimes the time of day, as to whether it is optimistic or pessimistic.

Ready player 1

I doubt you'll not go back to butter 😉 add a bit of salt before you wrap the potatoes as well. Yummy 😋