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Apr 23, 2024 07:31:59   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Parky60 wrote:
It's people like you that prove the point of my post... "When stupidity and evil surpass wisdom and virtue among a people, democracy becomes the worst form of government possible."


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Apr 23, 2024 07:32:26   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Parky60 wrote:
Mike Johnson. Mitch McConnell. Joe Biden. Chuck Schumer. Nancy Pelosi. The United States Congress.

The American people have nobody to blame but themselves.

It’s called “democracy.”

It may be surprising to us, but there have been thinkers down through history who didn’t believe democracy is the optimal system of government. Here is a quotation from one of them:

“Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would at the same time be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”

This same writer also penned this:

“Democracy is the [vilest] form of government.”

Most Americans would think such heretical words had to have been written by Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin or Attila the Hun, or some such tyrannical megalomaniac. Nancy Pelosi and all the leftists on OPP would probably say Donald Trump wrote them. But actually, the author of those sentiments was James Madison, the man given most of the credit for writing our Constitution. Yes, THAT James Madison.

Now go back and read again, more carefully, what he wrote.

As strange as it may sound for an American in the 21st century to be saying this, there are actually some sound arguments against democracy. I can support Madison’s thesis in many ways. Look at the list I started with. Add Kamala Harris. Barak Obama. Bill Clinton. And Hillary. Two George Bushes. Jimmy Carter. Not to mention Adam Schiff, Lindsey Graham, California, the whole Democratic Party, all leftists on OPP and you can add your own. I think this is (partially) what Mr. Madison had in mind. Occasionally, democracy does give us a Reagan or Trump, but that is the exception not the rule. Maybe once a generation.

By the way, just as an aside, Madison also said, “Disarm the people—that is the best and most effective way to enslave them.” Adolf Hitler DID agree with that. As did Joseph Stalin. And Mao Zedong. Joe Biden. Hopefully, Republicans won’t let that happen, but don’t take it to the bank.

Actually, in American history—and this is extremely important—democracy has been a gradual development. Women suffrage was put in the Constitution in 1920, though many could vote before that date. Many minorities were denied the vote until the Voting Rights Act of 1965. 18-year-olds in 1971. Those are huge segments of the American population, well over 50%. In one significant sense, we could say the United States “democracy” is barely 100 years old.

An anecdote. Author Mark Lewis is (was) an historian by trade and he spent about 25 years teaching history to college students, mostly 18-year-old freshmen, mostly Americans. One semester, he decided he would begin by giving the students a “pre-semester (non-credit) exam” on American history and culture. One of the multiple-choice questions was, “What is Jennifer Lopez known for?” Another of the questions was, “According to our Founding Fathers, what is the purpose of government?” Of the 30 or so students in that class, every single student knew that Jennifer Lopez is famous for her big butt. Not one student knew the purpose of government according to our Founding Fathers (to protect property). That class was in California (c. 2005). He tried.

These are the people we let choose our leaders now. And for the next generation. It’s probably already hopeless, folks.

While the above is anecdotal, it probably isn’t uncommon in America. And it explains exactly why so many mediocre, incompetent people have been elected to office. Give Evil and Mediocrity the vote and don’t be surprised if Evil and Mediocrity are elected. Madison would surely agree with that sentiment.

“In the U.S., [just over a century] of full-blown democracy has resulted in steadily increasing moral degeneration, family and social disintegration, and cultural decay in the form of continually rising rates of divorce, illegitimacy, abortion, and crime.” (Hans-Hermann Hoppe, “Democracy: The God That Failed”). Madison would no doubt have expected that, too.

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide,” John Adams, our second President. Note his belief that democracies “murder themselves” and “commit suicide.” Does that describe what America is doing today?

Our “democracy” is not 250 years old; it has barely reached 100. What will the next 100 years bring? Will there even be a next 100 years?

A democratic republic can only survive if the vast majority of people are moral, honorable, trustworthy, law-abiding, family-oriented, and patriotic. And the Uniparty in Congress is making sure that more and more Americans have less and less of those qualities. Because they don’t want democracy (they would lose), they want tyranny.

I wish Madison and Adams could come back to life and see America today. I know EXACTLY what they would say:

“We told you so.”

If our Founders didn’t establish a “democracy,” what DID they establish? Yes, a republic, but if the “people” are incompetent to rule, who should? We’ll save that for another time. And as always, the Founders’ true system is actually brilliant.

When stupidity and evil surpass wisdom and virtue among a people, democracy becomes the worst form of government possible.

Our failure to listen to history might cause our ultimate downfall.
Mike Johnson. Mitch McConnell. Joe Biden. Chuck... (show quote)



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Apr 23, 2024 07:34:09   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I believe that rights carry concomitant responsibilities. The Founders knew this. Unfortunately, they assumed this knowledge would pass on down through the generations. It has not. I think a Civics quiz would be a very good thing to require for voting. Most people have no effing idea what they vote for. This ignorance affects far more than just them. The ignorance and apathy of many voters is appalling.


Agree, Civics was one class I really loved, they don’t teach it anymore, but should.

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Apr 23, 2024 07:35:43   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Most generally it is considered to be early Rome, around 500 BC.


Sounds about right. The only things I recall reading about that existed prior to that were monarchies and feifdoms. Along with a few despots.

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Apr 23, 2024 07:39:50   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
stephanie wilson wrote:
I love his article, except the comparison of Bush 43 to DemocRats. He was more like Reagan than he's given credit for. Now I also think Trump is too. #Trump2024ToSaveAmerica


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Apr 23, 2024 07:41:44   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
AuntiE wrote:
By the way, trick question. I embarrassed a geography teacher with this.

How many states are there?


Ask Obama.

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Apr 23, 2024 07:47:50   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Most generally it is considered to be early Rome, around 500 BC.


So, the concept Plato wrote about? (Not that I've read his "Republic" - just know the title. 😁)

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Apr 23, 2024 07:49:13   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
Ask Obama.

OHIO -- Our 17th state
OHIO -- Our 17th state...

OIHI -- Our 57th state
OIHI -- Our 57th state...

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Apr 23, 2024 07:49:21   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
The official count is, of course, 50. What's the trick?

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Apr 23, 2024 07:52:50   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
The official count is, of course, 50. What's the trick?


AuntiE's question. A hint - it's a "Who's buried in Grants Tomb" sort of question.

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Apr 23, 2024 07:59:14   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Nick Nicholson wrote:
The official count is, of course, 50. What's the trick?

You didn't pay attention in class as a child did you? Scroll back through the thread.

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Apr 23, 2024 08:03:50   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Parky60 wrote:
You didn't pay attention in class as a child did you? Scroll back through the thread.


C'mon now parky, you have to admit it's a bit of a trick question. The flag doesn't differentiate.

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Apr 23, 2024 08:06:37   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
NotMAGA wrote:
C'mon now parky, you have to admit it's a bit of a trick question. The flag doesn't differentiate.

Nick thinks he's an expert at everything and is as arrogant as all get out... just giving him a little comeuppance that he so richly deserves.

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Apr 23, 2024 08:23:01   #
Nick Nicholson Loc: Florida, USA
 
Parky60 wrote:
Nick thinks he's an expert at everything and is as arrogant as all get out... just giving him a little comeuppance that he so richly deserves.


Not at all, parky. I'm simply one of the few in here that believes in the American way of honesty, government of laws, rather than of men, integrity, respect for truth and facts, and fair treatment of all.

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Apr 23, 2024 08:33:18   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
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