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Apr 15, 2024 02:04:11   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
kittibob wrote:
Fallen Oak, I think you’re missing a few acorns. Please allow me to give you some facts:
Had the US not entered WW2 the allies would have been defeated and Germany and Japan would have divided and controlled the world. One can only guess what our lives would have been like had that happened. That fact and the New Deal (Social Security, etc) are why historians rank FDR as one of our greatest presidents.
It was Eisenhower who sent “advisors” to Vietnam and Laos. Kennedy continued the policy. It was Johnson, of course, who escalated it with the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which he used to con the Congress into expanding the war by 500,000 troops, one of which was me.
But remember in1968 when Richard Nixon ran for President on the lie that he had a secret plan to end the war? He was elected based on that lie, and also based on the murder of his primary political rival, RFK.
Nixon had no such secret plan and escalated the war into Cambodia.
In 1968 Johnson had negotiated a treaty with North and South Vietnam. Candidate Nixon sent an envoy to Saigon and convinced South Vietnam President Thieu to cancel the treaty, that Nixon would give him a “better deal” when he was President. From that day forward Vietnam became Nixon’s war, as he allowed it to continue for several more years. So much for his “secret plan”. This is all documented in the tape of the Johnson-Dirkson telephone conversation in which Johnson and Dirkson agreed that Nixon had committed treason.
Iraq belongs 100% to President Cheney and his marionette George W. Bush. Afghanistan also belongs to Cheney and Bush, as does 9/11, as Bush was sent a warning of the attack and failed to read it. That’s right, Bush could have prevented 9/11. When the peaceful transfer of power (remember those? ) occurred in 2001 President Clinton advised Bush his primary national security worry would be Al Qaeda. Bush replied no, it was Saddam. “Saddam tried to kill my Dad”, he said.
You claim you don’t believe the media or the fact checkers. Really? Where do you get your information? There is no other source unless you are an eye witness.
Perhaps you should find a source, as you have been fed some bogus information, and neglected some facts.
Fallen Oak, I think you’re missing a few acorns. ... (show quote)


Ypu apparently are in love with fabricated conspiracy theories......as long as a Republican is the bad guy.

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Apr 15, 2024 07:55:59   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
kittibob wrote:

It was Eisenhower who sent “advisors” to Vietnam and Laos. Kennedy continued the policy. It was Johnson, of course, who escalated it with the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which he used to con the Congress into expanding the war by 500,000 troops, one of which was me.


You missed mentioning that Truman was in on it as well .

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Apr 15, 2024 09:12:16   #
DASHY
 
RandyBrian wrote:
This is what I said: "Or are you one of the lunatics who want the GOVERNMENT to decide where most of the money should be invested?"
This is what YOU said: "I am also among those "lunatic" (your word) Americans who believes that one important job of Government is to provide support and services to fellow Americans who need help."
Do you see ANY relation between your statement and mind? I surely do NOT. There is a huge difference between a hand up, fairly spread among the citizens, and a lifetime of support handed out to potential political supporters.
But both miss the point. I was referring to the Democrat desire, and admittedly some Republicans, who want to gather the lion's share of created wealth and THEY decide where to invest it. Such as wind farms and solar panels and electric vehicles that do not work as advertised then FORCING them onto American citizens with taxpayer support in perpetuety. Idiocy.
Congratulations on making proper use of our capitalism system. You were more successful at it than I ever was. I am glad you understood it at the time. Why don't you understand it now?
This is what I said: "Or are you one of the ... (show quote)


I understand that you are opposed to some of the public policies approved by Congress.

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Apr 15, 2024 10:06:02   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
DASHY wrote:
I understand that you are opposed to some of the public policies approved by Congress.


The current BS will be remediated in November

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Apr 15, 2024 10:41:59   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
DASHY wrote:
I understand that you are opposed to some of the public policies approved by Congress.


That is an accurate understanding, but avoids addressing my statement. Just a shortcut to changing the subject, I suppose. But since you did, are YOU not opposed to 'some of the public policies approved by Congress?" Please address THAT point AFTER you address MY point.

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Apr 15, 2024 11:12:03   #
DASHY
 
RandyBrian wrote:
That is an accurate understanding, but avoids addressing my statement. Just a shortcut to changing the subject, I suppose. But since you did, are YOU not opposed to 'some of the public policies approved by Congress?" Please address THAT point AFTER you address MY point.


Yes, of course. I do not agree with all public policy approved by congress.

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Apr 15, 2024 11:59:46   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
DASHY wrote:
Yes, of course. I do not agree with all public policy approved by congress.


Likewise. Now back to my question, please. Are you one of the lunatics who believe the government should direct and control WHERE the majority of research funds are spent, and use taxation policies to fund such research? Followed by laws MANDATING consumers buy them at whatever price they set? Or do you believe that such (non military) research should be chosen and funded by private corporations whose goal is to make money by providing WHAT THE PUBLIC wants and is willing to pay for?

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Apr 15, 2024 15:18:39   #
DASHY
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Likewise. Now back to my question, please. Are you one of the lunatics who believe the government should direct and control WHERE the majority of research funds are spent, and use taxation policies to fund such research? Followed by laws MANDATING consumers buy them at whatever price they set? Or do you believe that such (non military) research should be chosen and funded by private corporations whose goal is to make money by providing WHAT THE PUBLIC wants and is willing to pay for?


I am one of the "lunatics" (your word) who believes in the Constitution. To answer your question about government spending, I refer you to the constitution: In the United States, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. This is also referred to as the "Taxing and Spending Clause."

When you ask me to respond to a particular congressional mandate or public policy, you need to be more specific. Private Corporations certainly play a role in conducting research that can benefit themselves financially as well as benefitting all citizens. Discovering the vaccine to prevent Covid-19 infection is a good example of government and private enterprise working together for the common good.

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Apr 15, 2024 18:08:32   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
DASHY wrote:
I am one of the "lunatics" (your word) who believes in the Constitution. To answer your question about government spending, I refer you to the constitution: In the United States, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. This is also referred to as the "Taxing and Spending Clause."

When you ask me to respond to a particular congressional mandate or public policy, you need to be more specific. Private Corporations certainly play a role in conducting research that can benefit themselves financially as well as benefitting all citizens. Discovering the vaccine to prevent Covid-19 infection is a good example of government and private enterprise working together for the common good.
I am one of the "lunatics" (your word) w... (show quote)


Your point about specific instances is fair enough. I will give it some thought and get back with you.
However, I think the example you use is suspect. The government spent billions, if not trillions of dollars in paying for the C19 vaccines, then attempted REPEATEDLY to make them mandatory, while at the same time REPEATEDLY besmirching and even outlawing any other treatments or preventatives. Unconstitutionally and through lying to us, using government agencies forced to support their lies.

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Apr 15, 2024 19:29:05   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Your point about specific instances is fair enough. I will give it some thought and get back with you.
However, I think the example you use is suspect. The government spent billions, if not trillions of dollars in paying for the C19 vaccines, then attempted REPEATEDLY to make them mandatory, while at the same time REPEATEDLY besmirching and even outlawing any other treatments or preventatives. Unconstitutionally and through lying to us, using government agencies forced to support their lies.
Your point about specific instances is fair enough... (show quote)



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Apr 15, 2024 19:37:25   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Thats all you got, you dim-wit?

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Apr 15, 2024 20:19:24   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Sfurg wrote:
Well, first the "illegals" actually PAY INTO the social safety net programs, but cannot draw from it because they aren't citizens and don't possess a social security number. They also cannot draw from any other social programs (ie; welfare). When Democratic politicians talk about the "socialisim" programs they support, they arr generally speaking of Democratic Socialism as opposed to "socialism" as defined by countries like Russia and China. IMO


Illegals do not have social security numbers or tax ID numbers which you get when you get a green card so does not pay into the social programs. As a matter of fact, most illegals work under the table for cashor give phoney SS numbers. I watched them being sold outside a DMV in CA once

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Apr 15, 2024 20:20:12   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Hello, Bob. I see the hyena one again emerges from it's manure filled cage.

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Apr 15, 2024 20:20:56   #
DASHY
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Your point about specific instances is fair enough. I will give it some thought and get back with you.
However, I think the example you use is suspect. The government spent billions, if not trillions of dollars in paying for the C19 vaccines, then attempted REPEATEDLY to make them mandatory, while at the same time REPEATEDLY besmirching and even outlawing any other treatments or preventatives. Unconstitutionally and through lying to us, using government agencies forced to support their lies.
Your point about specific instances is fair enough... (show quote)


I am aware there were large groups of people who refused to receive the Covid19 vaccinations when they became generally available. Many had legitimate reasons. Misinformation with regard to Covid19 helped fuel the resistance. I am also aware that certain MAGA groups tend to call government announcements A BIG LIE. On the subject of INVESTMENTS, I saw an opportunity to profit from an investment in Moderna stock. Moderna had received more than $2 Billion from U.S. taxpayers for research and development of the vaccine. The price of the stock doubled within a matter of months.

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Apr 15, 2024 20:23:03   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
microphor wrote:
Illegals do not have social security numbers or tax ID numbers which you get when you get a green card so does not pay into the social programs. As a matter of fact, most illegals work under the table for cashor give phoney SS numbers. I watched them being sold outside a DMV in CA once



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