ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

So was the 2020 election really fair or not?

To understand the issue of fairness, let’s compare election results to the score in an NBA basketball game. Assume that the Celtics scored more points than the Knicks in a game played last night. Scoring more points than your opponent normally means that you win the game and that any recount of points scored would confirm that result.

Election results are similar to basketball scores. The candidate with the most votes—the highest score—is normally declared the winner. Now the loser might challenge the result by asking for a recount of votes
but should that recount produce very similar results, the candidate with the most votes would still win.

But let’s assume that an analysis of the game confirms that the referees allowed the Celtics to double-dribble (a standard rule infraction) while the Knicks were not allowed. And let’s assume that the analysis shows that the referees allowed the Celtics to continue to use players with more than 5 fouls; the Knicks were not allowed to do that. Finally, let’s assume that the analysis showed that each Celtic free throw counted for 2 points while each Knicks free throw counted for the usual single point. Now, would we still have confidence that the game was fair and that the Celtics—who scored the most points–were really the legitimate winner?

You get the picture. Every competitive contest has rules that must be followed by both teams if any competitive process is to produce a legitimate result. And in an election, the process cannot produce a fair result if the participants don’t follow the rules or if the courts refuse to allow an evidentiary hearing to determine whether the rules were really followed or not. (The fairness of the rules\ themselves is a separate issue). To be sure, counting and recounting votes accurately is an important procedural rule; but it is only ONE procedural rule and not necessarily the most important in terms of producing a legitimate outcome.

THE GEORGIA 2020 ELECTION

To see why this is so, let’s take the controversy over the results in the 2020 election in Georgia.

We know the final score of that election. After counting and recounting votes cast, Joe Biden scored 6,580 more votes than Donald Trump and was declared the winner. But were all of the procedural rules followed so that the election was fair?

One way to tell would be to do a database analysis searching for “anomalies”, i.e., for procedural rule irregularities as to how votes were cast and counted. The methodology is fairly straightforward: cross-compare databases for registered voters and votes cast in Georgia (2020) with other certified Georgia databases such as death certificates for registered voters; addresses and locations of registered voter; voters who moved out of state prior to the election; and the number of voter I.D.’s per registered voters. If significant “irregularities” appear with any of these comparisons, there could be a problem with the election process.

As an example, a common procedural rule for voting in state elections is that dead voters and voters that have moved out of state can’t legally vote. (Sounds fair!) Most states are supposed to scrub deceased voters and out-of-state voters from their voting roles prior to an election or, failing that, to disallow votes that can be traced back to such voters. But did Georgia do that in the 2020 election? It is unclear that they did. This means that some votes may have been counted from registered voters who had died or moved out of state prior to the election.

State law in Georgia requires that all registered voters must have a legitimate residential in-state address. A federal post office location or a commercial warehouse cannot normally be considered a legitimate residential address. Yet hundreds of votes in the 2020 election seem to have originated from federal post office locations, commercial warehouses, and several other non-residential locations, an almost certain violation of the procedural rules.

Finally, voters with multiple I.D. photos or numbers are an obvious red flag for voting irregularities. After all, more than one identification card or number could translate into more than one vote per registered voter, an obvious violation of the procedural rules. Yet a computer cross-check of voting roles and I.D. numbers in Georgia discovered hundreds of individual registered voters with MORE than one identification number at multiple addresses (i.e., college students, etc.) and some voters with as many as five.

An analysis of these specific anomalies (and many more) has been done recently by a private firm called Omega 4 America. See here.

Omega 4, or Fractal, had previously assisted state governments in uncovering fraud in their medical and health care databases by employing the same methodology, i.e., comparing legally eligible recipients for state programs with actual funds received. Similarly, in this particular case involving the fairness of the 2020 Georgia election, Omega’s “fractal” analysis concluded that there may have been more than 12,000 separate procedural rule violations; actually the number was probably far higher. And since the election was officially decided by just 6,570 votes, Omega then concluded that there was really no way to determine who legitimately won that election. After all, the “irregular” votes could have all gone to Joe Biden, or they could have all gone to Donald Trump, or they could have gone to either candidate in some unknowable percentage. So, fair and square, who really won? Who knows.

CONCLUSION

If election fairness means following procedural rules, then by facts and logic alone the 2020 election process was unfair, despite the much ballyhooed sideshow of counting and recounting of votes. Given the scope of the identified irregularities, Joe Biden may have won the election with more votes than the official tally, or by fewer votes than the official tally, or may have even lost the election entirely to Donald Trump; absent any additional analysis, there is just no way to tell. It will be interesting to see how the mainstream media—so allegedly concerned with fairness issues–intends to spin this one.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/04/dom-armentano/dead-people-voted-in-georgia/

Forkbassman Loc: Missouri

Fairness? How about every American citizen who has registered to vote, should up at the polls IN PERSON WITH A PICTURE ID, PERIOD.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

That is, and should be, the mindset of every American who wants to see an honest election, rather than doing whatever it takes for your side to win.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Recently released from the American Military News; a hearing in Fulton County Georgia (Fat ass Fani) about electors trying to overturn election results was floored when under oath a Fulton county Board member (Wingate) asked what did we do about signature verification? The answer; we didn't verify signatures. That's 147,000 mail in ballots. The election in Georgia was determined by a small margin of votes . In addition the supervisor said there was no chain of custody of votes, and no surveillance of drop boxes as required by law. This entire election was rigged.

pescado rojo

With the exception of legitimate ABSENTEE ballots. NOT "mail in." Along those lines, military votes from overseas need better security.

Weswill

Your point is well taken. If fraud does happen in an election , it is impossible to prove unless.it is discovered when it happens. Recounts do nothing to find fraud other than making sure the original count was correct. Mail-in votes can not be verified once the.envelopes and ballots are separated. So even though there might seem to be some irregularities or even fraud it is nearly impossible to prove after the fact. I would think that states when made aware of these irregularities they would want to check those concerns out and make changes. But that is not what happened they have even doubled down on keeping those practices in place. For instance, several states change election laws illegally, by bypassing the state legislatures, due to covid. These states election results should have been rejected in my opinion. But when people want to move the election laws back to what they were before covid, they shout voter suppression. So there are many officials that are not very interested in having fair elections in my opinion.
Another observation is why does it take so long to count the votes? Could that be a form of fraud or at least an irregularity? There is no excuse for it taking so long to count the votes.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

bggamers Loc: georgia

Don't forget the large suit cases coming out after everyone was sent home. I live in Georgia and am upset about what happened. To me seems Den target large cities that are capital of a state to take over pitty we can't stop that.

DAV

Lie-berals DON'T DO FAIR. They are all about CONTROL and having everything THEIR way....don't you know ?!?!

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

We know why those cities are targeted. Minorities and democrat prosecutors. They’ve convinced minorities they’re nothing but victims. They are of course. Victims of the democrat plantation.