yogiman

Not only do the Democrats know he isn't a natural born citizen, but the Republicans also know he isn't a natural born citizen. Not a one of them questioned his constitutional status when he "threw his hat in the ring" in 2007... and none of them has raised that question since.

There is three different [kinds] of citizens: Natural born; one whose parents are citizens of the nation in which a child is born.

Native born; born in a nation in which one parent is a citizen.

Naturalized; to become a citizen of a nation by legal concept.

freedomfirst

a black person voted in office can not be removed;it is a black rule'if he was white he would be long gone

moldyoldy

Just because you want him not to be a citizen, does not make it true, bt keep dreaming.

Birthright citizenship[edit]

Main article: Birthright citizenship in the United States of America

U.S. citizenship is usually acquired by birth when a child is born in the territory of the United States. In addition to the U.S. States, this includes the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands and the U.S. Virgin Islands.[30][31][32] Citizenship, however, was not specified in the original Constitution. In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment specifically defined persons who were either born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction as citizens. All babies born in the United States—except those born to enemy aliens in wartime or the children of foreign diplomats—enjoy U.S. citizenship under the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment.[33] The amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[34] There remains dispute as to who is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States at birth.[35]

By acts of Congress, every person born in Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and the Northern Mariana Islands is a United States citizen by birth.[36] Also, every person born in the former Panama Canal Zone whose father or mother (or both) are or were a citizen is a United States citizen by birth.[37]

Regardless of where they are born, children of U.S. citizens are U.S. citizens in most cases. Children born outside the United States with at least one U.S. citizen parent usually have birthright citizenship by parentage.

While persons born in the United States are considered to be citizens and can have passports, children under age eighteen are legally considered to be minors and cannot vote or hold office. Upon the event of their eighteenth birthday, they are considered full citizens but there is no ceremony acknowledging this relation or any correspondence between the new citizen and the government to this effect. Citizenship is assumed to exist, and the relation is assumed to remain viable until death or until it is renounced or dissolved by some other legal process. Secondary schools teach the basics of citizenship and create "informed and responsible citizens" who are "skilled in the arts of effective deliberation and action".[38]

Americans who live in foreign countries and become members of other governments have, in some instances, been stripped of citizenship, although there have been court cases where decisions regarding citizenship have been reversed.[39]

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

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Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Have I just been dreaming I've been awake for 7 years or is this debate really still going on?

bahmer

Some of this may change as the governor of Hawaii was defeated and there will be a new governor coming up. Ye old governor insisted that Obama had a birth certificate in Hawaii although he could never find it. Maybe the governor will be able to shine some light on this. Oh and don't forget now also Loretta Fuddy has died in that plane crash as well. Maybe we will get some answers or more deaths if someone probes deep enough.

Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs

I remember Abercrombie promising that if elected he would publish for all to see Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate. That, he claimed, would settle the matter once and for all...meaning shut up the "birthers." The Hawaiian SECSTATE (or somebody w/ the power to decide such things) told Abercrobie (now Gov.) that he couldn't do this...that such documents could not be released except by the person involved (TheGreat Charlatan.) And, thus the matter died of natural causes.

Still not answered by any LIBDEM on this board is the question of the font and the fact the hospital he was born in wasn't built until 2 yrs after birthdate. And until these two questions are resolved (there are others) his legitimacy/citizenship must be questioned.

moldyoldy

Never let truth get in the way of your hatred.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

CowboyMilt

You knock name calling & then right off the bat call us names...dems always resort to name calling when they can't come up with an answer...they always use the race card as well.....PERIOD

CowboyMilt

This "debate" should go on until it is resolved because it is at the heart of everything else...I believe most in congress are embarrassed that they failed the original vetting...If they had dug a little bit we wouldn't be here...Also Obama said himself in so many words that if someone didn't have something to hide they would be forthcoming..So why did he hide everything in his pass from public access...chew that & spit it out...PERIOD

yogiman

You can't win a race you aren't eligible to run in... even if you cross the finish line first.

CowboyMilt

I disagree Obama wasn't eligible & he won & he did it crookedly both times from his community organizer experience. He is a good fund raiser but a failure as a leader..he just didn't have the experience needed & he hasn't learned anything as he plods along...most of all he is a chronic liar...

moldyoldy

U.S. citizenship is usually acquired by birth when a child is born in the territory of the United States. In addition to the U.S. States, this includes the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands and the U.S. Virgin Islands.[30][31][32] Citizenship, however, was not specified in the original Constitution. In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment specifically defined persons who were either born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction as citizens. All babies born in the United States—except those born to enemy aliens in wartime or the children of foreign diplomats—enjoy U.S. citizenship under the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment.[33] The amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[34] There remains dispute as to who is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States at birth.[35]

yogiman

If he isn't a Muslim, why did he thank John McCain for not mentioning his Muslim faith on an interview with George Stephonopolous?

If he's not from Kenya, why did he say "I'm glad to be back home" when he 'went home' to unethically campaign for a relative running for an office when he was in the Senate?

yogiman

Being a citizen is one thing; being a natural born citizen is an entirely different status. It takes two to tango and both parents must be citizens on the nation a child is born in to give that child natural citizen born status.