straightUp wrote:
If you're referring to the personal attitudes of individuals I would agree that there is no way we can measure that. But I'm not. I'm referring to policy and to specific leaders.
I've been doing this for the last 40 years and I am utterly convinced that policies pushed by the left are far more centered on a concern for people than the policies pushed by the right.
This is why it's always the left that steps in to defend others... from LGBT people to immigrants, while it's always that right that tries to demonize them. "LGBT people are pedophiles", "immigrants are rapists and murderers".
It's the left that continues to fight for consumer advocacy and workers rights. Every time there is a conflict of interest between commercial advantages and human rights it is ALWAYS the left that stands up for the later. It's come to the point where it's downright predictable.
I'm not saying that no one on the right cares... I'm saying that their elected politicians (whether they realize it or not) are almost always willing to screw people for the sake of commercial advantage and in *some* cases to satisfy the demands of bigotry.
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Yeah right - tell us all here how the Biden created and Democrat supported border crisis are 'centered around a concern' for Americans!! Tell us how Democrats putting America and Americans last are 'centered around concern for people'!! Tell us how censoring free speech of Americans is 'centered around concern for people'!! Tell us how putting foreign interests before those of this country is 'centered around concern for people'!! Tell us how Biden showed 'his concern for people' when he let an enemy spy balloon fly over our nuclear sites!! You and the Democrats defend ILLEGAL immigrants!!
martsiva wrote:
Yeah right - tell us all here how the Biden created and Democrat supported border crisis are 'centered around a concern' for Americans!! Tell us how Democrats putting America and Americans last are 'centered around concern for people'!! Tell us how censoring free speech of Americans is 'centered around concern for people'!! Tell us how putting foreign interests before those of this country is 'centered around concern for people'!! Tell us how Biden showed 'his concern for people' when he let an enemy spy balloon fly over our nuclear sites!! You and the Democrats defend ILLEGAL immigrants!!
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There is much more;
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Jim Crow Joe ; The Racist History of Joe Biden [Uncensored]
https://youtu.be/jPUFwmZN9eo https://youtu.be/YGcKDTqhGM0 Useful idiot': Biden's ‘disinformation’ czar Nina Jankowicz slammed as a 'woke-bot'
https://youtu.be/yLX2_9E79z0 Not to mention again Hunter's financial ties to Communist China.
billlingle wrote:
Don't you believe the Fat Boy? That's amazing considering his world class status as a pathological liar. Are you that naive? The Fat Loser threatened the American people with violence if he is not elected regardless of the half assed qualification he used to veil the threat. It's like, "I'm going to be a dictator from day one then I'm not going to be one anymore". All you need to do is to listen to the scum bag to know what he is planning to do and what he has been planning since 2016.
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Quit with your bald face lies and advertising how gullible you are!! NO Trump did NOT threaten the American people with violence - he was talking about the auto industry and you know it but you being the good little Democrat parrot that you are, just keeps repeating Democrat lies!!! You must support Marxism with all your support for Democrats who openly supported the Marxist BLM!!
martsiva wrote:
Quit with your bald face lies and advertising how gullible you are!! NO Trump did NOT threaten the American people with violence - he was talking about the auto industry and you know it but you being the good little Democrat parrot that you are, just keeps repeating Democrat lies!!! You must support Marxism with all your support for Democrats who openly supported the Marxist BLM!!
"Quit with your bald face lies and advertising how gullible you are!! NO Trump did NOT threaten the American people with violence - he was talking about the auto industry and you know it but you being the good little Democrat parrot that you are, just keeps repeating Democrat lies!!! You must support Marxism with all your support for Democrats who openly supported the Marxist BLM!!"
Yep!!!
It is time for many more life long Democrats to wake up to their party's sell out to RedChina.
Rose42 wrote:
With regards to policies and specific leaders I’d argue we’re getting hit from both sides but in different ways.
I might agree to some extent but if we're still talking about which side is more concerned about the people, I'd still have to say it's the left and it may just be the way I am looking at it. I think the American Left is more direct in the sense that they want to help people through government policy, where the American right is more inclined to leave it up to the private sector.
I don't have much faith in the private sector to do the right thing, so that's probably why I lean left.
Rose42 wrote:
The democrat party of old - the one I used to be a part of - ceased to exist long ago.
Yeah, parties change over time. It's the ideologies that remain static. Funny, we did the opposite... I started off as a Republican back in 1980. I actually abandoned the party before it changed into what it is now because I saw the world was changing and the Republican party didn't seem to be adapting very well. I never considered myself a Democrat... Today, I consider myself unaffiliated.
Honestly, I think the world is too complicated for simple labels.
Fiscally-speaking, I'm conservative, socially-speaking I'm liberal. With regard to democracy, I have always been left-leaning but I think the increased extremism on the right is pushing me further to the left and if I was to associate myself to any ideology, I would call myself a Georgist.
straightUp wrote:
Good one!
This is why I always put "Christians" in quotes when referring to the religious right. In my opinion most of the real Christians, such as Biden are on the left. This is where you find the concern for others that the Christian doctrine so often promotes and the right so often ignores.
Real Christians such as Biden?? SAY WHAT?? Tell us how Biden is a 'real Christian' as he supports what God condemns like homosexuality and abortion!!! Tell us how Jesus Christ would support people coming across our border illegally!!! Come on - speak up!!
eagleye13 wrote:
"Quit with your bald face lies and advertising how gullible you are!!
Just to note... it's BOLD FACED lies, not bald face lies... Bold face is a reference to newspaper headlines which are always in bold face. So a lie that's announced to the world like a newspaper headline is a bold faced lie. Bald face is... seriously, WTF is a bald face?
eagleye13 wrote:
NO Trump did NOT threaten the American people with violence - he was talking about the auto industry
So in other words, we should make exceptions for Trump's poor communication skills. Most people know that the term, "bloodbath" is a really poor choice of words to describe a disagreement in the auto industry. But Trump communicates on a 3rd grade level so it's possible he just didn't know any better.
We are also quite aware of Trump's struggle with focus. Sometimes, he goes on an unrelated tangents before getting back to the topic.
To be honest, I think that was a moment were we just don't know WHAT Trump was talking about and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know either.
What makes this such an issue is that Trump has already earned a reputation for inciting violence and he did already state several times in the past that there will be violent reactions if he isn't elected. So you can't really blame the Democrats for reacting the way they did.
eagleye13 wrote:
and you know it but you being the good little Democrat parrot that you are, just keeps repeating Democrat lies!!! You must support Marxism with all your support for Democrats who openly supported the Marxist BLM!!"
LOL - well, there's the pot calling the kettle black! You just chastised a supposed Democrat for repeating "Democrat lies" and in the very next sentence you repeated the lie that Democrats are Marxists.
eagleye13 wrote:
Yep!!!
It is time for many more life long Democrats to wake up to their party's sell out to RedChina.
Why don't you help us out and explain how the Democrats are selling out to "Red China"?
straightUp wrote:
Why don't you help us out and explain how the Democrats are selling out to "Red China"?
So you're denying that Democrats openly supported the Marxist BLM?? You`re denying the bank records that show the Biden family got millions from communist Chinese fronts?? You're denying that Biden let a communist Chinese spy balloon fly over our nuclear sites??
martsiva wrote:
Real Christians such as Biden?? SAY WHAT?? Tell us how Biden is a 'real Christian' as he supports what God condemns like homosexuality and abortion!!! Tell us how Jesus Christ would support people coming across our border illegally!!! Come on - speak up!!
The scriptures are old, poorly written and interpreted in many different ways. Some so-called Christians get hung up on things like homosexuality and abortion and try to twist the meaning of scripture to support their bigotry.
What most self-described Christians can agree on is that Jesus set an example by helping those in need. Most of the immigrants crossing our southern border are people in need. The rules that we create that basically says we don't like brown people so we aren't going to help ALL of you is not in line with the example Jesus was setting.
Biden wants to help people, you want to vilify them. It's pretty clear to me which one of you is a true Christian.
Milosia2 wrote:
...Tell me how when Donald says he’s going to destroy everything including but not limited to
Borders , education , NATO , elections , social security , Medicare, And all of the rest of your hopes and dreams.
How can you put all of your false support behind this unhinged Man ???!
WTF??
Borders? The southern border is destroyed currently. Trump intends to fix it, so that we go back to an orderly immigration process.
education? Trump - and others - have said that the current DOE is ineffective despite a massive budget and enormous resources and recommends that it be abolished with the power going back to the states. Many of us who are tired of gender identity programs, Title IX give and take, school discipline issues, student-loan forgiveness, and porn in elementary school libraries (along with drag queen story hour) agree.
social security? Trump has said that 'cuts' (actually reining in growth) may be needed to help get the federal budget under control. I'm a SS recipient and I understand it won't be there for my son when he retires unless we do something to get costs under control. He also talked about fighting the fraud and waste (inherent in most federal programs).
Medicare? Same as SS, it must be brought under control.
...And then you get a little incoherent...you imply that Trump is going to destroy "all of the rest of your hopes and dreams". Uh...no...he actually seems to want to move my hopes and dreams back into our national focus. So I'm OK with that.
Followed by...
"How can you put all of your false support behind this unhinged Man ???!".
A.) My support isn't false
B.) The only thing unhinged around here are your arguments.
TJKMO
Loc: Bicycle Heaven
straightUp wrote:
The scriptures are old, poorly written and interpreted in many different ways. Some so-called Christians get hung up on things like homosexuality and abortion and try to twist the meaning of scripture to support their bigotry.
What most self-described Christians can agree on is that Jesus set an example by helping those in need. Most of the immigrants crossing our southern border are people in need. The rules that we create that basically says we don't like brown people so we aren't going to help ALL of you is not in line with the example Jesus was setting.
Biden wants to help people, you want to vilify them. It's pretty clear to me which one of you is a true Christian.
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Jesus was himself a DACA baby.
His parents had to get asylum in Egypt to escape Herod’s Slaughter of the Innocents.
straightUp wrote:
Yeah, parties change over time. It's the ideologies that remain static. Funny, we did the opposite... I started off as a Republican back in 1980. I actually abandoned the party before it changed into what it is now because I saw the world was changing and the Republican party didn't seem to be adapting very well. I never considered myself a Democrat... Today, I consider myself unaffiliated.
Honestly, I think the world is too complicated for simple labels.
Fiscally-speaking, I'm conservative, socially-speaking I'm liberal. With regard to democracy, I have always been left-leaning but I think the increased extremism on the right is pushing me further to the left and if I was to associate myself to any ideology, I would call myself a Georgist.
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I was a republican after being a democrat but not for long. Now I am not in a party because both put party first over country.
I’m liberal on some issues and conservative on others. Many Americans are like that.
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