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Mar 15, 2024 16:55:11   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
I'll take you more seriously when you can finally provide examples or evidence to back up your claims. So far, what I hear from Trump supporters is 100% claim and 0% substance.

Trump is facing 91 felony charges, he's been impeached twice and his business career is a long trail of civil cases and settlements. Biden simply doesn't have that history and yet you expect me to believe Biden is the corrupt one. It's one thing to call it politics but aside from the impeachments, none of the charges are coming from national Democrats. To actually believe Trump is less corrupt than Biden you would have to first believe that for about 50 years people have been trying to destroy him with false charges. I just find that highly unlikely.

Also, just point this out... my arguments on this matter are hinged on patterns of behavior not specific reports. I've only been using specific accounts to provide examples of such behavior.
I'll take you more seriously when you can finally ... (show quote)


Sorry, I did not mean to imply that you did say a dictatorship was acceptable, in any form. I was simply stating my position.
If you are not aware of Biden's history of lies, racism, lies, flipflopping on issues, more lies, anger management issues, lies, temper tantrums, and even more lies, then I, too, will not take you seriously until you have educated yourself. Your other attempts to make points are pretty much immaterial.
Trump has some major flaws, but he is a better choice than Biden and his handlers.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:01:19   #
Knightlady
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I keep getting shades of Kitten Courageous. Nothing definite, but certainly from a similar clothe.


I don't recall the name. Either before my time here or just someone that I have forgotten about. I just mentioned LL because for some reason, TJ had a post written, that was almost verbatim to a post LL made expressing her "disappointment " in me when I quit defending her

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Mar 15, 2024 17:09:19   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
NotMAGA wrote:
He absolutely does say things to push buttons - what's red meat to the MAGA side is usually anathema to the rest of us - including most of the rest of the civilized world governments.


Please don't equate yourself to the rest of civilized people in the world. Loony lefties are anathema to values of civilized countries and people all over the world.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:09:58   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Knightlady wrote:
You call wars starting, inflation rising, food and gas prices rising again, millions of illegal aliens crossing the open border, more crime, failed "green" policies and not to mention the trillions we're in debt now....sanity?


I don't call events sanity.

I call his administration sane. And few have left, unlike during the previous guy's term.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:14:07   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
straightUp wrote:
It does. I recently posted a response to Parky who challenged someone to bring up specifics on how Trump can be described as "authoritarian" and I went into detail about his inclination to avoid opposition in matters in which due process demands consensus.

I have also recently brought up his dismissal of the Palestinian interest in his so-called "peace deal" and his dismissal of the provisional Afghani government in his surrender to the Taliban.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Trump is trying to be a dictator. I am convinced that these dismissals are a sign of weakness. Trump is a really bad negotiator which is why he always had to lie about things like property value to compensate when making real-estate deals.

As a businessman, he is used to having more control over decisions because in the private sector, people generally don't argue with the boss. But democratic governments are different. This is why I insist that the notion that a government should be run like a business is a really stupid idea that exposes the ignorance of the person making that claim.

Trump never passed a significant bi-partisan bill into law because he simply doesn't have the strength or the ability to negotiate an open field of conflict. In contrast, Biden passed the bi-partisan infrastructure bill in his second year.

It's the same in foreign policy... As much as you folks want to believe the Iran deal was "bad" Obama actually got the entire European Union, Russia, China AND Iran to sign on. That's because Obama was really good at negotiating an open field of conflict. Trump was never able to replace it like he initially said he was going to because unless he can make the decision by himself he is useless. Not to mention the fact that none of the leaders in those other countries had any respect for him.

He hated the multilateral conferences, because when he was only one of many participants it became really obvious how underqualified he is. I still remember when all the leaders at the EU laughed at him. I mean they actually laughed at him, I saw the video. Trump always tried to push for bilateral agreements because in a one on one situation it would be more common for the other side to be polite and ignore his stupidity.

Trump's record on multilateral agreements and bi-partisan legislation is abysmal and his tendency to avoid them was very noticeable. If he were to return to office we can certainly expect more of the same.

So what I am saying here is that it's not through his ambitions that we are concerned that he will be a dictator but through his weakness and his inability to function as a truly democratic leader.
It does. I recently posted a response to Parky who... (show quote)


Sure takes a long time to pass over all your bullshite. You waste a lot of bandwidth.
Hopefully you are donating to this site.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:15:23   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
Knightlady wrote:
How


Who cares, this guy is loon.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:16:17   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Why not?
It's all in the family.
Grifters gotta grift.


And liars gotta lie.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:19:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Knightlady wrote:
You call wars starting, inflation rising, food and gas prices rising again, millions of illegal aliens crossing the open border, more crime, failed "green" policies and not to mention the trillions we're in debt now....sanity?

I call the accusation that all these things are the fault of a president a perfect example of bat-shit insanity.

We are essentially a free-market economy... presidents do not control inflation, or prices. As for the debt that didn't happen over night, it's been climbing for several administrations, including the last one. The president doesn't control Putin or Netanyahu either so, you can't blame him for the wars and crime is increasing for numerous reasons that have more to do with the desperation of the American people after 40 years of Republican priorities that continue to starve our support systems.

But I get it... when people decide to hate a president and can't really provide solid reasons for it, they basically just blame him for everything.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:22:59   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
First of all his huge cult is too small to have much power in a democracy. It may have been enough to get him elected in an electoral system where Americans are not represented equally, but it's not enough to give him the authoritarian power he would need to truly be a dictator.


Yes its big enough and they could have overthrown the government if they chose to on Jan 6th. The group on that day was a bunch of dolts who really had no idea what they were doing. A lot of highly skilled vets back him

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Secondly, Trump simply doesn't have what it takes. As I explained earlier, it's not that Trump wants to be a dictator it's that he can't handle democracy. So every time he is confronted with with opposition from multiple parties he shies away from negotiating a consensus and looks for a way to arrive at decisions without considering opposing views.

This is why people see him as an authoritarian. It's not actually a sign of strength but a sign of weakness.


No one really knows if he has what it takes. I don’t think its because he can’t handle democracy

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Mar 15, 2024 17:24:29   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Not at all. I believe in equal justice administered fairly by the law. Millions of dollars and years of time were spent in slamming Trump over process crimes that would have been handled administratively and with a small fine against any one else in America. The one and only purpose of these 90+ indictments was an attempt to keep Trump from beating Biden in November.

You are playing the victim card. Only works for those in the cult.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:26:24   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Knightlady wrote:
I don't recall the name. Either before my time here or just someone that I have forgotten about. I just mentioned LL because for some reason, TJ had a post written, that was almost verbatim to a post LL made expressing her "disappointment " in me when I quit defending her


Many of us on the right, on OPP, believe that Liberal Lilly, Abby Hoffman, Kitten Courageous, and a few other names were all one in the same person, just using new IDs because no one listened to her old ones any more.
She was characterized by supposedly being raised by Christian Missionaries (Catholic) that abused her both physically and emotionally, attended a Catholic college, know ALLLLLL about Christians, and hated them, a victim of mental disease, incredibly smart (supposedly) and a number of other things. She spoke about like TJ does.
I reached out to Kitten before I realized her true identity, and offered my help and friendship. Unfortunately, her concept of 'friendship' required me to cover her back no matter how ugly and offensive she talked. I was accused of betayal of the worse kind.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:26:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
youngwilliam wrote:
Sure takes a long time to pass over all your bullshite. You waste a lot of bandwidth.
Hopefully you are donating to this site.


As I mentioned earlier in this thread... I present arguments with logical reasoning and substance. A lot of people here either don't have the mental capacity to understand it or they just don't want to. Instead they prefer to fill up even more bandwidth with endless streams of cheap insults and memes.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:30:13   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
straightUp wrote:
As I mentioned earlier in this thread... I present arguments with logical reasoning and substance. A lot of people here either don't have the mental capacity to understand it or they just don't want to. Instead they prefer to fill up even more bandwidth with endless streams of cheap insults and memes.


I just skip it. Kinda like the broken record that is you.
Saves a lot of time not reading blatherskite.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:35:27   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
You are playing the victim card. Only works for those in the cult.


Not really. Just stating an undeniable fact. Undeniable with anyone with honesty and any credibility remaining.
If Trump were not running for president again, not of this indictments would have even been made.

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Mar 15, 2024 17:37:41   #
Knightlady
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
I don't call events sanity.

I call his administration sane. And few have left, unlike during the previous guy's term.


But events follow the policies put in place by the administration which is not an event. But also, don't events classify sanity or not?

I looked it up quickly ( did not spend much time) and found that you are correct so far on how many left Trumps administration and Bidens. I personally don't know how many left because they hate Trump or for other reasons. Same with Biden and it would take up too much time to look at each administration, names of people who've left and why.

I also think alot more left Bidens administration than you realize. He's pretty close to Trump.

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