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Mar 15, 2024 14:43:18   #
Knightlady
 
TJKMO wrote:
I said you betrayed me.


How

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Mar 15, 2024 15:01:44   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
TJKMO wrote:
No.
It is all about a Democratic Republic and the future of America as such.


Every single legal action against Trump, including both impeachments, were political. They are political attacks using the US government as a weapon to destroy someone the Democrats and the current administration fears will come marching back into the presidency. To deny it is to be willfully blind.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:06:49   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
During his first term he was restrained by adults in the room.

During his first temp he needed to win a second election.

During his second term he will only hire those loyal to him and he will have no concerns about getting re-elected.

Need an example? The RNC today.


Think. He could have done that in his first term. But he didn’t.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:07:55   #
Rose42
 
Knightlady wrote:
How


You didn’t ‘betray’ TJ. I saw that exchange. He/she plays games.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:08:15   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Yes, she did. And yes they should. it is all political, is it not?



Why not?
It's all in the family.
Grifters gotta grift.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:10:00   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Looks like my point went over your head, too, NotMaga. Not much of a surprise. Refer to my answer to Straightup, and do your best to conceal your embarrassment. when the light dawns.


I imagine there will be quite a few very surprised people when the light finally hits the dark insides of Trump world and you finally see him as he really is

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Mar 15, 2024 15:10:52   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Oh, that is complete horse poop, NotMaga. Pushing buttons and terrifying their voters is the Democrat's bread and butter, and has been for over a century. "Anathema to the rest of us". Good grief. What a complete and utter lie.


As you wish

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Mar 15, 2024 15:16:23   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Every single legal action against Trump, including both impeachments, were political. They are political attacks using the US government as a weapon to destroy someone the Democrats and the current administration fears will come marching back into the presidency. To deny it is to be willfully blind.

Willfully blind as in willful ignorant that he broke laws you would be livid about if a Dem had done the same things?

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Mar 15, 2024 15:25:20   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
It does. I recently posted a response to Parky who challenged someone to bring up specifics on how Trump can be described as "authoritarian" and I went into detail about his inclination to avoid opposition in matters in which due process demands consensus.

I have also recently brought up his dismissal of the Palestinian interest in his so-called "peace deal" and his dismissal of the provisional Afghani government in his surrender to the Taliban.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Trump is trying to be a dictator. I am convinced that these dismissals are a sign of weakness. Trump is a really bad negotiator which is why he always had to lie about things like property value to compensate when making real-estate deals.

As a businessman, he is used to having more control over decisions because in the private sector, people generally don't argue with the boss. But democratic governments are different. This is why I insist that the notion that a government should be run like a business is a really stupid idea that exposes the ignorance of the person making that claim.

Trump never passed a significant bi-partisan bill into law because he simply doesn't have the strength or the ability to negotiate an open field of conflict. In contrast, Biden passed the bi-partisan infrastructure bill in his second year.

It's the same in foreign policy... As much as you folks want to believe the Iran deal was "bad" Obama actually got the entire European Union, Russia, China AND Iran to sign on. That's because Obama was really good at negotiating an open field of conflict. Trump was never able to replace it like he initially said he was going to because unless he can make the decision by himself he is useless. Not to mention the fact that none of the leaders in those other countries had any respect for him.

He hated the multilateral conferences, because when he was only one of many participants it became really obvious how underqualified he is. I still remember when all the leaders at the EU laughed at him. I mean they actually laughed at him, I saw the video. Trump always tried to push for bilateral agreements because in a one on one situation it would be more common for the other side to be polite and ignore his stupidity.

Trump's record on multilateral agreements and bi-partisan legislation is abysmal and his tendency to avoid them was very noticeable. If he were to return to office we can certainly expect more of the same.

So what I am saying here is that it's not through his ambitions that we are concerned that he will be a dictator but through his weakness and his inability to function as a truly democratic leader.
It does. I recently posted a response to Parky who... (show quote)


Well thought arguments. But you started with, and embellished on, a falsehood. which led you to false conclusions.
In no case is any form of dictatorship acceptable. In the United States or elsewhere in this universe.
And I agree, as I always have, that Trump has a very big mouth and little control over it. But then again, so does Biden. I DO think Trump is a good negotiator. but he likes to be cute, sardonic, and likes to use extreme examples to make a point. This is fine in a business environment, but incredibly STUPID in the political arena. That is why I have always said that Trump is his own worst enemy as he feeds ammo to the Democrats as they politically shoot at him. It's one of the main reasons I wish he had bowed out of this race.
You continue to nit-pik over the way Trump dealt with policy, Congress, foreign leaders, and others. You do not like him personally, and you do not like the way he worked. Fine. For the most part I agree.
What you are ignoring are the results he accomplished, whether you agree with his methods or not.

ANY objective comparison between Trump personally vs. Biden......ANY objective comparison between Trump's administration vs. Biden's..........between their policies.........between foreign accomplishments.......or between the status of American life under each...........will come to the conclusion that Trump is far better for America than Biden.
The only way someone can vote for Biden is to ignore his corruption going back 50 years, ignore the damage he is doing to the American economy and American citizens and families, and ignore his personal failings while harping on Trumps.
Which is what you continue to do.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:31:08   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
During his first term he was restrained by adults in the room.

During his first temp he needed to win a second election.

During his second term he will only hire those loyal to him and he will have no concerns about getting re-elected.

Need an example? The RNC today.


If he wanted to become a dictator, then reelection is immaterial. Adults in the room? WHO? Anything he could do in a second term he could have done in the first. Revamping the RNC is a smart, honest, and proper thing to do. You criticize Trump for not wanting opposing opinions to his own? Not one iota of difference in any other political leader, including your beloved Democrat party, or His Highness in Ottawa, or the wanna be dictator sitting in the oval office.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:36:17   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
NotMAGA wrote:
As you wish


I have no wishes either way. Just calling out someone who is telling a lie, or is severely delusional.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:36:41   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Well thought arguments. But you started with, and embellished on, a falsehood. which led you to false conclusions.
In no case is any form of dictatorship acceptable. In the United States or elsewhere in this universe.
And I agree, as I always have, that Trump has a very big mouth and little control over it. But then again, so does Biden. I DO think Trump is a good negotiator. but he likes to be cute, sardonic, and likes to use extreme examples to make a point. This is fine in a business environment, but incredibly STUPID in the political arena. That is why I have always said that Trump is his own worst enemy as he feeds ammo to the Democrats as they politically shoot at him. It's one of the main reasons I wish he had bowed out of this race.
You continue to nit-pik over the way Trump dealt with policy, Congress, foreign leaders, and others. You do not like him personally, and you do not like the way he worked. Fine. For the most part I agree.
What you are ignoring are the results he accomplished, whether you agree with his methods or not.

ANY objective comparison between Trump personally vs. Biden......ANY objective comparison between Trump's administration vs. Biden's..........between their policies.........between foreign accomplishments.......or between the status of American life under each...........will come to the conclusion that Trump is far better for America than Biden.
The only way someone can vote for Biden is to ignore his corruption going back 50 years, ignore the damage he is doing to the American economy and American citizens and families, and ignore his personal failings while harping on Trumps.
Which is what you continue to do.
Well thought arguments. But you started with, and... (show quote)

“In no case is any form of dictatorship acceptable.”

This post just made my list of post to visit a year from now should Donny be President.

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Mar 15, 2024 15:41:52   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Willfully blind as in willful ignorant that he broke laws you would be livid about if a Dem had done the same things?


Not at all. I believe in equal justice administered fairly by the law. Millions of dollars and years of time were spent in slamming Trump over process crimes that would have been handled administratively and with a small fine against any one else in America. The one and only purpose of these 90+ indictments was an attempt to keep Trump from beating Biden in November.

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Mar 15, 2024 16:01:09   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Rose42 wrote:
If he really wanted to be a dictator and there was this huge cult behind him as many of you claim, then why did he not do far more to get there? He could have but didn’t.

First of all his huge cult is too small to have much power in a democracy. It may have been enough to get him elected in an electoral system where Americans are not represented equally, but it's not enough to give him the authoritarian power he would need to truly be a dictator.

Secondly, Trump simply doesn't have what it takes. As I explained earlier, it's not that Trump wants to be a dictator it's that he can't handle democracy. So every time he is confronted with with opposition from multiple parties he shies away from negotiating a consensus and looks for a way to arrive at decisions without considering opposing views.

This is why people see him as an authoritarian. It's not actually a sign of strength but a sign of weakness.

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Mar 15, 2024 16:12:35   #
Knightlady
 
Rose42 wrote:
You didn’t ‘betray’ TJ. I saw that exchange. He/she plays games.


I know. Sometimes they're fun to play.


Maybe it's a resurrection of LL whose still pissed at me for "betraying " ( in her head) months ago

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