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Mar 14, 2024 06:24:58   #
fullspinzoo
 
publican wrote:
You are a good example of why ignoramuses should not be allowed to deal with even slightly complicated issues. It we take into account that the smaller states have more electors per voter than the larger states, then the result is that it is possible for a president to be elected by even less than a quarter of the electorate.


Impossible for you to have a civil conversation, huh? What a horse's ass! But we already knew that!

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Mar 14, 2024 06:31:52   #
Calconserv
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Impossible for you to have a civil conversation, huh? What a horse's ass! But we already knew that!


There are several opp’ers that suffer from being the south end of a north bound mule. They have major character flaws. I am choosing not to converse with them any longer as they are only out to insult people to try and make themselves feel better about who they are

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Mar 14, 2024 06:41:31   #
fullspinzoo
 
Calconserv wrote:
There are several opp’ers that suffer from being the south end of a north bound mule. They have major character flaws. I am choosing not to converse with them any longer as they are only out to insult people to try and make themselves feel better about who they are


You are spot on, Calsonserv. I choose to do exactly the same thing. There are at least three or four (one who has the cojones to call himself very religious) who bring new meaning to the word "arrogant". They can't be the least bit civil, and for that reason, I have decided not to give them the 'time of day'. They're easy to spot, and if the rest of you would ignore them, maybe with a little bit of luck, they'll go away.

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Mar 14, 2024 07:00:07   #
Calconserv
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
You are spot on, Calsonserv. I choose to do exactly the same thing. There are at least three or four (one who has the cojones to call himself very religious) who bring new meaning to the word "arrogant". They can't be the least bit civil, and for that reason, I have decided not to give them the 'time of day'. They're easy to spot, and if the rest of you would ignore them, maybe with a little bit of luck, they'll go away.

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I see your awake in the middle of the night also

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Mar 14, 2024 07:29:29   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
publican wrote:
When the Founders set up the electoral college scheme for electing the president, it seemed like a good idea. But the way it functions now contains a fatal problem.

To show the principle involved I am going to use very approximate numbers. Those who can't handle simple arithmetic, and those who don't understand what "very approximate" means, need read no further.

Let's assume there are 200 million voters distributed among 50 states, so each state has 4 million voters. We also assume each state uses the "winner take all" method. To win the election a candidate then needs to win 26 states. In each state he needs 2M plus 1 votes. So altogether he needs to win 52,000,026 votes, which just over a quarter of the total votes. In this way a demagogue with a solid base of less than a third of the electorate can become president.
When the Founders set up the electoral college sch... (show quote)


Nice try. You are assuming that the 200 million are distributed equally, if the population is distributed equally then your theory makes sense, 1/3 to win. However that is flawed based upon. The distribution. Of the 200 million.

So say, three states, California, Texas, and New York, have greater than 1/4 of the population, leaving the other states combined the other 1/4 of the population. These three states would decide the election based upon your premise, this describes the popular vote.

Now if we look at how the amount electors is distributed amongst the states, thats where the balance comes into play.

Better explanation would be if you read the federalist papers, I believe it was by Hamilton or Madison, where they define the system of the electoral college and the balance mechanism.

The locals have the most power, for it is through the local system, where the winner is drawn from. This removes in theory any political machine. For it is the counties, that make up the electoral college, but these counties are bound by thier perspective state. Whosoever wins the majority of the counties wins the state, and its from the counties that the electors are drawn from.

Also, the people trust the elector to vote for the will of the county they represent. If the elector flips, at time to cast the vote, it is the right and duty of the county to take action against the elector, who is bound according to local law to do his duty. If he is found derelict, then as the local law provides he hid thus held to account.

Local laws and states laws govern electors.

Thus, your thesis is flawed considering that the math assumes equality of population as compared to reality of the unequal distribution of population.

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Mar 14, 2024 07:33:50   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
billlingle wrote:
There are 51 Californians for every citizen in North Dakota so that 39 million people are represented by the same two senators as are the .775 million that live in North Dakota. This is not a fair representation when, as we have seen so many times in the last 10 years, one senator representing less than a million people can thwart and negate the vote of a senator representing almost 40,000,000 voters. A realignment of the Senate needs to be seriously considered.

I believe that you will find that the establishment of the Electoral College was a last minute move to make sure that the slave states would be mollified to an extent where they would not kill the ratification of the constitution over the slavery issue.
There are 51 Californians for every citizen in Nor... (show quote)


Billdingleberry, if you actually read the Constitution, you would know that Senators were to be elected by the state legislatures and were to represent the states interest of the states. The Representatives were elected by the people and were to represent them. The 17th Amendment changed that and it should not have been changed IMHO. This was one of the checks and balances that the Founding Fathers wanted. The Electoral College system was included in the Constitution to prevent a small number of states from over riding the majority of states. That might be hard for you to understand, but it was the correct thing to do for our Republic.

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Mar 14, 2024 07:34:12   #
Calconserv
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Nice try. You are assuming that the 200 million are distributed equally, if the population is distributed equally then your theory makes sense, 1/3 to win. However that is flawed based upon. The distribution. Of the 200 million.

So say, three states, California, Texas, and New York, have greater than 1/4 of the population, leaving the other states combined the other 1/4 of the population. These three states would decide the election based upon your premise, this describes the popular vote.

Now if we look at how the amount electors is distributed amongst the states, thats where the balance comes into play.

Better explanation would be if you read the federalist papers, I believe it was by Hamilton or Madison, where they define the system of the electoral college and the balance mechanism.

The locals have the most power, for it is through the local system, where the winner is drawn from. This removes in theory any political machine. For it is the counties, that make up the electoral college, but these counties are bound by thier perspective state. Whosoever wins the majority of the counties wins the state, and its from the counties that the electors are drawn from.

Also, the people trust the elector to vote for the will of the county they represent. If the elector flips, at time to cast the vote, it is the right and duty of the county to take action against the elector, who is bound according to local law to do his duty. If he is found derelict, then as the local law provides he hid thus held to account.

Local laws and states laws govern electors.

Thus, your thesis is flawed considering that the math assumes equality of population as compared to reality of the unequal distribution of population.

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Nice try. You are assuming that the 200 million ar... (show quote)

The only people who support abolishing electoral college are the people who live in cities that have high enough numbers to decide who our next president will be. Oh and crooked politicians

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Mar 14, 2024 08:03:48   #
Big Kahuna
 
pescado rojo wrote:
In layman's terms, he sucks at arithmetic.



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Mar 14, 2024 08:04:44   #
Big Kahuna
 
publican wrote:
When the Founders set up the electoral college scheme for electing the president, it seemed like a good idea. But the way it functions now contains a fatal problem.

To show the principle involved I am going to use very approximate numbers. Those who can't handle simple arithmetic, and those who don't understand what "very approximate" means, need read no further.

Let's assume there are 200 million voters distributed among 50 states, so each state has 4 million voters. We also assume each state uses the "winner take all" method. To win the election a candidate then needs to win 26 states. In each state he needs 2M plus 1 votes. So altogether he needs to win 52,000,026 votes, which just over a quarter of the total votes. In this way a demagogue with a solid base of less than a third of the electorate can become president.
When the Founders set up the electoral college sch... (show quote)


Your spelling is totally "flawed".

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Mar 14, 2024 09:30:32   #
publican
 
Big Kahuna wrote:
Your spelling is totally "flawed".


Yup, it sure is. But we learned a long time ago that your brain is totally flawed,

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Mar 14, 2024 09:41:54   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
publican wrote:
Yup, it sure is. But we learned a long time ago that your brain is totally flawed,


Serious question. Are you a Gen Z?

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Mar 14, 2024 09:47:24   #
publican
 
padremike wrote:
Serious question. Are you a Gen Z?


No. Another serious question. Are you a bot?

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Mar 14, 2024 10:11:34   #
Big Kahuna
 
publican wrote:
Yup, it sure is. But we learned a long time ago that your brain is totally flawed,


Congratulations, you spelled brain and flawed correctly. Now line up for your participation trophy 🏆.

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Mar 14, 2024 10:12:32   #
Big Kahuna
 
publican wrote:
No. Another serious question. Are you a bot?


We know you are a snot.

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Mar 14, 2024 10:13:13   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
publican wrote:
No. Another serious question. Are you a bot?


I'm guessing by your response you're younger than Gen Z. Perhaps a sorry, smart ass little maggot whose father neglected to whip his ass often enough?

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