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Mar 12, 2024 20:18:23   #
publican
 
American Vet wrote:
Except your 'simplified version' is completely out of touch with reality.


I don't take instruction from high school dropouts.

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Mar 12, 2024 20:20:07   #
publican
 
padremike wrote:
I approve of you calling me Tommy referencing my own Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville. He possessed the courage and honor to stand up to the full onslaught of your cultural Marxist baby murdering Leftists who demanded DOD federal funds be used to accommodate abortions. He also stood up against the promotions of Biden's military sycophantic leaders, not a warrior in the mix. The new Black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs came on board, after the promotionsTommy had on hold, touting his number one objective was to promote DEI. I invite you to continue to call me Tommy. I'm honored. May I call you Adam Schift? Perhaps Eric Swalwell is more apropos to your low esteem and shameful character. Both, like yourself, are consummate liars and examples of those who despise America.
I approve of you calling me Tommy referencing my o... (show quote)


Your unhinged rant is Satan speaking again. Repent! It may not be too late.

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Mar 12, 2024 20:34:43   #
Navigator
 
publican wrote:
When the Founders set up the electoral college scheme for electing the president, it seemed like a good idea. But the way it functions now contains a fatal problem.

To show the principle involved I am going to use very approximate numbers. Those who can't handle simple arithmetic, and those who don't understand what "very approximate" means, need read no further.

Let's assume there are 200 million voters distributed among 50 states, so each state has 4 million voters. We also assume each state uses the "winner take all" method. To win the election a candidate then needs to win 26 states. In each state he needs 2M plus 1 votes. So altogether he needs to win 52,000,026 votes, which just over a quarter of the total votes. In this way a demagogue with a solid base of less than a third of the electorate can become president.
When the Founders set up the electoral college sch... (show quote)


Your calculation assumes this winning candidate does not get a single vote in any of the other 24 states; not too likely, is it?

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Mar 12, 2024 20:48:48   #
publican
 
Navigator wrote:
Your calculation assumes this winning candidate does not get a single vote in any of the other 24 states; not too likely, is it?


No it doesn't. The result is the same even if the winning candidate loses every vote in the other 24 states.

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Mar 12, 2024 21:05:39   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
publican wrote:
Your unhinged rant is Satan speaking again. Repent! It may not be too late.


Hahaha, giggle, giggle, snort, snort. You're stuck on stupid. All you do is pete & repete the same crap. Don't you yet realize that people of genuine faith know that if I were to compromise the faith turn around and accept abortions as a legitimate women's health service, put my imprimatur on the issue that the LGBTQ perversions are normal, natural and healthy and a legitimate expression of Godly love, etc, etc, etc, I would immediately be embraced by those, like yourself, who truly are advocates of satanic evil. Fat chance it'll ever happen.

My enemies make me strong.

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Mar 12, 2024 21:20:53   #
Fedup Veteran Loc: Bushnell, FL
 
publican wrote:
As I said before, you can tell the horse that 2 plus 2 is four a million times, but he will never get it.


Explain the flaw, please.

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Mar 12, 2024 21:29:30   #
Gatsby
 
Fedup Veteran wrote:
Explain the flaw, please.


I reckon that 48 states do not agree with publican, and he/she/it is having a childish tantrum as a result.

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Mar 12, 2024 21:33:23   #
American Vet
 
publican wrote:
I don't take instruction from high school dropouts.


Perhaps you should. Then you might be able to get a real job and get off food stamps.

https://www.discoverwalks.com/blog/world/30-successful-high-school-dropouts-and-their-stories/

https://www.entrepreneur.com/living/9-billionaires-who-didnt-graduate-high-school/308246

https://moneysmartfamily.com/successful-college-drop-outs/

https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-high-school-dropouts/celebrity-lists

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Mar 12, 2024 21:44:14   #
BIRDMAN
 


I’m sure they had fun with him in high school

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Mar 12, 2024 21:45:33   #
American Vet
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
I’m sure they had fun with him in high school


You are assuming she went to high school.

😁😁😁

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Mar 12, 2024 21:52:07   #
BIRDMAN
 
American Vet wrote:
You are assuming she went to high school.

😁😁😁


Yes whatever the hell these things are

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Mar 13, 2024 01:26:22   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
publican wrote:
Your education is sorely lacking. You never learned that to understand a principle a simplified example is often used to clarify it. Of course the simplified version is not the same as reality, but it shows the principle. I guess this is too hard for your commonsense mind to grasp.
Your education is lacking if you do not understand the complexities of a principle and must resort to 8th grade arithmetic to collapse it into something only you seem to understand.

Your little math experiment is an epic fail due to all the assumptions upon which you built it.
Your first assumption is that you were gonna use "simplified" arithmetic to prove your proposition that the Electoral College "is fatally flawed" and by implication, must be abolished. You never gave a thought to the ramifications of the United States abolishing the EC and adopting the idea of election by popular vote.

As an example of the consequences of adopting the popular vote:

As written in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, states The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people (popular vote), and the Electors in each state shall have qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.

And, as originally written, Article 1, Section 3 states, The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof for six years, and each Senator shall have one vote.

Immediately after they shall be assembled in consequence of the first election, they [senators] shall be divided as equally as may be into three classes. The seats of the senators of the First Class shall be vacated on the expiration of the second year, of the Second Class at the expiration of the fourth year, and of the Third Class at the expiration of the the sixth year, so that one third may be chosen every second year; and if vacancies happen by resignation or otherwise, during the recess of the legislature of any state, the Executive [governor] may make temporary appointments until the next meeting of the legislature, which shall then fill such vacancies.


The principle being, the members of the HOR represent the people of the state, and the senators represent the state legislatures, a body elected by popular vote in the state.

Our founders modeled congress similar to the parliamentary system in England. The House of Lords [senate] was the Upper House, and the House of Commons [representatives] was the Lower House.

In 1912 - 13, the Democrat president, a virulent racist and anti-constitutionalist, often referred to as the godfather of modern progressivism, campaigned aggressively to convince the state legislatures to ratify the proposed 17th Amendment, which states: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.
The 17th Amendment was ratified on April 8, 1913.

This radical change essentially defanged the senate. Took away their representation of the state legislature and put them in the fickle hands of the voters. Now, all members of congress are elected by popular vote and look at the bloody mess congress is in, it's a political circus unlike anything we've ever seen.

No wonder congress' approval rating is at 15%. At the end of August, 2021, congress hit the lowest approval rating in history.

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Mar 13, 2024 01:49:17   #
Salvatore
 
The dummy obviously doesn't know how the President is elected! He thinks because you get more votes that you should win! What is he 8 years old?

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Mar 13, 2024 02:09:50   #
Digger47
 
publican wrote:
No it doesn't. The result is the same even if the winning candidate loses every vote in the other 24 states.


Haven't you guys learned yet that you can't tell a democrat they are wrong about anything because they will call you stupid, uneducated, ignorant, and multiple other insults because you don't take there word as gospel! Oh and that reminds me, "bible thumping trash"!

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Mar 13, 2024 02:10:19   #
publican
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Your education is lacking if you do not understand the complexities of a principle and must resort to 8th grade arithmetic to collapse it into something only you seem to understand.

Your little math experiment is an epic fail due to all the assumptions upon which you built it.
Your first assumption is that you were gonna use "simplified" arithmetic to prove your proposition that the Electoral College "is fatally flawed" and by implication, must be abolished. You never gave a thought to the ramifications of the United States abolishing the EC and adopting the idea of election by popular vote.

As an example of the consequences of adopting the popular vote:

As written in the Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, states The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people (popular vote), and the Electors in each state shall have qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature.

And, as originally written, Article 1, Section 3 states, The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof for six years, and each Senator shall have one vote.

Immediately after they shall be assembled in consequence of the first election, they [senators] shall be divided as equally as may be into three classes. The seats of the senators of the First Class shall be vacated on the expiration of the second year, of the Second Class at the expiration of the fourth year, and of the Third Class at the expiration of the the sixth year, so that one third may be chosen every second year; and if vacancies happen by resignation or otherwise, during the recess of the legislature of any state, the Executive [governor] may make temporary appointments until the next meeting of the legislature, which shall then fill such vacancies.


The principle being, the members of the HOR represent the people of the state, and the senators represent the state legislatures, a body elected by popular vote in the state.

Our founders modeled congress similar to the parliamentary system in England. The House of Lords [senate] was the Upper House, and the House of Commons [representatives] was the Lower House.

In 1912 - 13, the Democrat president, a virulent racist and anti-constitutionalist, often referred to as the godfather of modern progressivism, campaigned aggressively to convince the state legislatures to ratify the proposed 17th Amendment, which states: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.
The 17th Amendment was ratified on April 8, 1913.

This radical change essentially defanged the senate. Took away their representation of the state legislature and put them in the fickle hands of the voters. Now, all members of congress are elected by popular vote and look at the bloody mess congress is in, it's a political circus unlike anything we've ever seen.

No wonder congress' approval rating is at 15%. At the end of August, 2021, congress hit the lowest approval rating in history.
Your education is lacking if you do not understand... (show quote)


Hey, BR, the only thing fatally flawed is your ego, which is so big there is no room for your brain. I did not call for abolishing the EC. So spare me your copy-pasted history lesson. The problem with the EC, which is beyond the grasp of whatever mashed potatoes are in your head, stands.

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