Very good! You deserve a smiley face :)

So now that you know the census affects redistricting maybe this part of my original argument might make a little more sense to you...

"So, why do Republican leaders keep trying? Again, it's quite simple... They know that the majority of the law-abiding residents live in urban districts, wherein citizens typically vote Democrat and that even though non-citizens can't actually vote, their numbers still contribute to the size of the district, which could lead to splitting one blue district into two blue districts."

So are you catching up now?

Fox recently published a rant on how the Democrats once-again blocked GOP efforts to stop counting non-citizens in the census. The suggestion is that Democrats are trying to gain votes from immigrants that are here illegally, as if for some weird reason anyone here illegally would fill out a form to let the government know where they are.

That's the hilarious part. Now for the sad part.

One of the many things the right seems to be utterly clueless about is the fact that there are millions of people living in America as perfectly LEGAL residents who are not actually citizens. These people are subjected to the same exact laws that citizens are subjected to, including taxation and the call of duty. Indeed, these residents are contributing the economy and our security as law-abiding, tax-paying, workers and servicemen... It seems most people on the right don't even know these people exist. They apparently think that if you're not a citizen you must be an "illegal immigrant".

Something else they don't seem to realize is the difference between being represented and being a citizen. Representation means that if you think a law is unfair you can appeal to your representative. It does NOT mean you can choose WHO your representative is. In most districts today, you would have to be a citizen for that right. This means that if a non-citizen IS counted in the census it does NOT mean he can vote.

Democrats are blocking these Republican efforts to exclude non-citizens because most of their constituents actually understand these simple facts and they agree with the moral idea that if someone is subjected to the laws of the land, they should also be represented, even if they can't chose who their representatives are.

So, why do Republican leaders keep trying? Again, it's quite simple... They know that the majority of the law-abiding residents live in urban districts, wherein citizens typically vote Democrat and that even though non-citizens can't actually vote, their numbers still contribute to the size of the district, which could lead to splitting one blue district into two blue districts.

So why can't they just say that? Well, because taxation without representation is a violation of American morals and that is the condition that their strategy leads to. So instead of being honest, they take advantage of the ignorance of their own constituents to push the lie that counting non-citizens gives "illegal immigrants" a right to vote.

Once again, Republicans prove to be the party of lies and immoral behavior and once again, Democrats are proving to be the party that champions American values.

Fox recently published a rant on how the Democrats once-again blocked GOP efforts to stop counting non-citizens in the census. The suggestion is that Democrats are trying to gain votes from immigrants that are here illegally, as if for some weird reason anyone here illegally would fill out a form to let the government know where they are.

That's the hilarious part. Now for the sad part.

One of the many things the right seems to be utterly clueless about is the fact that there are millions of people living in America as perfectly LEGAL residents who are not actually citizens. These people are subjected to the same exact laws that citizens are subjected to, including taxation and the call of duty. Indeed, these residents are contributing the economy and our security as law-abiding, tax-paying, workers and servicemen... It seems most people on the right don't even know these people exist. They apparently think that if you're not a citizen you must be an "illegal immigrant".

Something else they don't seem to realize is the difference between being represented and being a citizen. Representation means that if you think a law is unfair you can appeal to your representative. It does NOT mean you can choose WHO your representative is. In most districts today, you would have to be a citizen for that right. This means that if a non-citizen IS counted in the census it does NOT mean he can vote.

Democrats are blocking these Republican efforts to exclude non-citizens because most of their constituents actually understand these simple facts and they agree with the moral idea that if someone is subjected to the laws of the land, they should also be represented, even if they can't chose who their representatives are.

So, why do Republican leaders keep trying? Again, it's quite simple... They know that the majority of the law-abiding residents live in urban districts, wherein citizens typically vote Democrat and that even though non-citizens can't actually vote, their numbers still contribute to the size of the district, which could lead to splitting one blue district into two blue districts.

So why can't they just say that? Well, because taxation without representation is a violation of American morals and that is the condition that their strategy leads to. So instead of being honest, they take advantage of the ignorance of their own constituents to push the lie that counting non-citizens gives "illegal immigrants" a right to vote.

Once again, Republicans prove to be the party of lies and immoral behavior and once again, Democrats are proving to be the party that champions American values.

So, I'll give AmericanVet the credit for at least trying to reference laws even though the law he references has nothing to do with the subject matter. Still, it's better than the lame insults which is all anyone else could do.

I guess when it comes down to it... This topic is simply exposing the right for their ignorance and prejudice and there really isn't any defense. So it's not like anyone CAN debate my point.

Fact #1: Republicans are trying to stop the census from counting non-citizens.
Fact #2: these non-citizens include millions of law-abiding, tax-paying residents.
Fact #3: not counting these residents in the census affects the districts in a way that will limit or eliminate their representation and that *IS* a violation of American values. (no taxation without representation)

Many supporters of this Republican effort are either clueless about the existence of these legal residents that they are screwing or they they don't care. This point has been abundantly proven by the responses on this topic, where people either brush it off or in the case with American Vet they go right into the laws about what makes an entry into this country illegal, which has absolutely nothing to do with the law-abiding residents that I am talking about.

So, in conclusion and with regard to this specific topic... The Republicans ARE trying to violate American values and the Democrats ARE blocking them from doing that.

So far 13 reactions that prove people are pissed off but not educated enough to present an actual argument and one cut and paste from the census bureau that provides a basic introduction that only confirms my point about the census not being limited to citizens = a direct hit on the Republican efforts to stop counting non-citizens.

The sad thing is that you clowns are willing to support the Republican plan to take representation away from millions of hard working people simply because you're too stupid to know it's a violation of American values AND because you're so hung up on your hatred toward immigrants and Democrats that you don't care.

I'd say that pretty much sums it up.