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Aug 7, 2014 15:42:57   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
I picked up this quote while doing some research about another thread on OPP. They sound too much like what I keep saying about my left leaning antagonists to not be true. I think I know just where to find them on our internet.

Yep, these words say just what Saul Alinsky told his people who were community organizers. Hmmmmmmm. One or two of the leaner methods of trying to take down our words stick out like a sore thumb.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in their use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

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Aug 7, 2014 16:23:53   #
barberdawg Loc: Georgia
 
oldroy wrote:
I picked up this quote while doing some research about another thread on OPP. They sound too much like what I keep saying about my left leaning antagonists to not be true. I think I know just where to find them on our internet.

Yep, these words say just what Saul Alinsky told his people who were community organizers. Hmmmmmmm. One or two of the leaner methods of trying to take down our words stick out like a sore thumb.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in their use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."
I picked up this quote while doing some research a... (show quote)

Yep, sounds familiar

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Aug 7, 2014 16:41:58   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
barberdawg wrote:
Yep, sounds familiar


We do have some leaners here at OPP who tend to never say a word about the words of the authors of things but never fail to attack those authors. Of course, I do that now and then, too.

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Aug 7, 2014 18:20:11   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
oldroy wrote:
We do have some leaners here at OPP who tend to never say a word about the words of the authors of things but never fail to attack those authors. Of course, I do that now and then, too.


One must know ones enemy better than one knows himself if he is to prevail over them.

We must first learn that you cannot change another person all you can do is change the way you respond to them.

They are easily disarmed when you don't fight back in the way they expect you too. They don't have tools in their Alinski tactics tool box to fight an unpredictable foe.

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Aug 7, 2014 18:56:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
One must know ones enemy better than one knows himself if he is to prevail over them.

We must first learn that you cannot change another person all you can do is change the way you respond to them.

They are easily disarmed when you don't fight back in the way they expect you too. They don't have tools in their Alinski tactics tool box to fight an unpredictable foe.


Not fighting back is a part of what Alinsky told them to do in order to win an argument. Maybe it works both directions.

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Aug 7, 2014 22:42:19   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
oldroy wrote:
Not fighting back is a part of what Alinsky told them to do in order to win an argument. Maybe it works both directions.


It's interesting how many of them practice their skills on us. You can't actually win an argument with them because they will never ever back up their statements with hard evidence or cognitive thought. Just be polite don't get insulted and pretend they don't exist. Unless of course your like me and want to go on a troll hunt now and again.

We know there are people who come onto OPP for reasons other than discussions on current topics. Studying us or paid to insult us or just practicing their newly learned skills on us.

They probably don't know we are learning more from them they are learning from us.

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Aug 7, 2014 23:11:28   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
oldroy wrote:
I picked up this quote while doing some research about another thread on OPP. They sound too much like what I keep saying about my left leaning antagonists to not be true. I think I know just where to find them on our internet.

Yep, these words say just what Saul Alinsky told his people who were community organizers. Hmmmmmmm. One or two of the leaner methods of trying to take down our words stick out like a sore thumb.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in their use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."
I picked up this quote while doing some research a... (show quote)


"those who disagree with me are evil and must be destroyed", the words of El Duce the Mussolini.

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Aug 8, 2014 13:26:44   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
lpnmajor wrote:
"those who disagree with me are evil and must be destroyed", the words of El Duce the Mussolini.


Is Mussolini the only human??? who ever thought like that. How about Valerie Jarrett?

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Aug 8, 2014 16:46:52   #
grace scott
 
oldroy wrote:
I picked up this quote while doing some research about another thread on OPP. They sound too much like what I keep saying about my left leaning antagonists to not be true. I think I know just where to find them on our internet.

Yep, these words say just what Saul Alinsky told his people who were community organizers. Hmmmmmmm. One or two of the leaner methods of trying to take down our words stick out like a sore thumb.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in their use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."
I picked up this quote while doing some research a... (show quote)



This statement applies to right leaners as well.

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Aug 8, 2014 18:11:05   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
grace scott wrote:
This statement applies to right leaners as well.


You don't really believe that, do you, Grace? I ask that because of the parroting of the leaders of the left by the sheeple.

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Aug 8, 2014 19:42:53   #
grace scott
 
oldroy wrote:
You don't really believe that, do you, Grace? I ask that because of the parroting of the leaders of the left by the sheeple.



Proof of my statement is in the posts of the right wingers.

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Aug 8, 2014 20:48:55   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
grace scott wrote:
Proof of my statement is in the posts of the right wingers.


The truth is, EVERYBODY thinks that way now, it's just not PC to say so. No side is any worse than the other, except to those on the other side. Our side is ALWAYS the bestes and any other side is WRONG. Unless you should choose to "break the mold" and admit that your side is wrong SOMETIMES, you prove my case.

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Aug 8, 2014 21:12:19   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The truth is, EVERYBODY thinks that way now, it's just not PC to say so. No side is any worse than the other, except to those on the other side. Our side is ALWAYS the bestes and any other side is WRONG. Unless you should choose to "break the mold" and admit that your side is wrong SOMETIMES, you prove my case.


Who is going on vacation tomorrow. A full two weeks and the world is blowing up with our "leader"?? going to Martha's Vineyard. I hope to hell somebody does what needs done while he is partying with mama. He is taking the really important advisors with him with one of them being Rice. Now there is one who had the wool pulled over her eyes a couple of years ago. He better have Valerie with him to tell him what to do. Maybe he is also taking two or three of his Muslim Brotherhood advisors with him.

Ok, I have said all this and I see nothing that even looks a little bit like what the far left leaders said long ago. It is time for some left leaner to attack me in their inimitable Alinsky manner.

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Aug 8, 2014 21:21:32   #
grace scott
 
oldroy wrote:
Who is going on vacation tomorrow. A full two weeks and the world is blowing up with our "leader"?? going to Martha's Vineyard. I hope to hell somebody does what needs done while he is partying with mama. He is taking the really important advisors with him with one of them being Rice. Now there is one who had the wool pulled over her eyes a couple of years ago. He better have Valerie with him to tell him what to do. Maybe he is also taking two or three of his Muslim Brotherhood advisors with him.

Ok, I have said all this and I see nothing that even looks a little bit like what the far left leaders said long ago. It is time for some left leaner to attack me in their inimitable Alinsky manner.
Who is going on vacation tomorrow. A full two wee... (show quote)



If it makes you feel better, consider yourself attacked. Now please explain what you did to deserve the attack. I read your comments twice, and they sound okay to me. What did I miss?

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Aug 8, 2014 21:25:23   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
oldroy wrote:
Who is going on vacation tomorrow. A full two weeks and the world is blowing up with our "leader"?? going to Martha's Vineyard. I hope to hell somebody does what needs done while he is partying with mama. He is taking the really important advisors with him with one of them being Rice. Now there is one who had the wool pulled over her eyes a couple of years ago. He better have Valerie with him to tell him what to do. Maybe he is also taking two or three of his Muslim Brotherhood advisors with him.

Ok, I have said all this and I see nothing that even looks a little bit like what the far left leaders said long ago. It is time for some left leaner to attack me in their inimitable Alinsky manner.
Who is going on vacation tomorrow. A full two wee... (show quote)


Obama has already screwed up, so what do you expect him to do now? He may as well go on vacation. If he does something, the Congress will be mad - when they get back over a month from now, from their OWN vacations.

The fact is, we've been leaderless for the last 6 years. No leader in the WH and none in the Senate or House, so they might as well STAY on vacation, for all the good they do when they're not.

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