Rose42

You should change your moniker to ‘some facts matter’.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Or 'facts don't matter'.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

"Only my facts matter"

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

Black facts matter

Radar OReilly

Amen! straightUp

straightUp Loc: California

They're immigrants if they obey the law or not. They're immigrants if they drive a car, they're immigrants of they play guitar, they're immigrants if they fill your tank, they're immigrants if they rob a bank. If the person was born somewhere else and comes here to live, he or she is an immigrant. Period.


And what do you call an immigrant who ISN'T allowed to live here? Wait, first let me correct your precedent because even THAT is distorted. No one is NOT allowed to live here. Every human being, every dog and cat, every cow and chicken, every fish, every bird... They are ALL allowed to live here. What immigrants are NOT allowed to do is cross the border without permission or allow their documentation to expire. Those are specifically the crimes being committed and in both cases, the result is an absence of valid documentation.

The US Department of Homeland Security has an official term for them... "undocumented immigrants". Sorry Emily, but terms often do have definitions and official uses and you can't just redefine them to suit your rant. And think about it for a moment - it DOES make sense... If you roll through a stop sign are you an illegal person? No, rolling through a stop sign is illegal - being YOU is not illegal. You're simply a person who broke a law. I don't know if you're smart enough to pick up on the difference but I will just assume you are.


Wow... you are SO ignorant about this stuff. First of all, they are not required to apply for citizenship. They can apply for permanent residency, which they would have to do before becoming a citizen anyway, but they can stop at the green card without ever becoming a citizen. I know several people who have been here for decades, perfectly happy to be a resident alien. My mom being one of them.

Also, being a refugee has nothing to do with following our rules. If Juan and Roberto are both running for their lives, Juan doesn't BECOME a refugee just because he followed our protocol. And Juan doesn't stop being a refugee just because he didn't. They are both refugees because they have been displaced. it's that simple.


Unlawful entry, yes - living here - no. Maybe YOU need to look up what the law actually says and stop assuming it says what it doesn't. And if you think I'm splitting hairs, think again. There are a LOT of childhood arrivals who are being threated by retards like Trump who would like to deport them. But for anyone who actually understands the laws they would know that living here is not a crime and the ONLY crime they can pin them on is crossing the border illegally, but since they were minors when it happened there is a legal case AGAINST that prosecution, called the Defense of Infancy, a part of our laws that we inherited from English Common Law that goes back centuries, where two year old babies can't be prosecuted for crimes they could not possibly understand when they committed them. I know I didn't understand the legal implications when I was a baby and my mom carried me though customs at JFK.


Again, illegal entry is the crime... not "living here" as you had stated.


In America, when people commit crimes they rarely EVER do it together as a family to save their lives. If a criminal has kids they don't get locked up in cages for 72 hours without seeing ANY of their family. OR under Trump for much longer because Trump disregarded the Flores Agreement. Jesus, how did your heart get so cold?


Oh look, a list... Let's see if it mentions the crime of living in the U.S.


Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope. Nothing in that list says it's illegal to live here.


You mean an undocumented immigrant who probably tried to get in legally but wasn't allowed so in desperation tried to sneak in? Who says they should be treated differently? I don't hear anyone saying that. All I hear is YOU people CLAIMING that we are.


Many of these people walked for thousands of miles and suffered hardships you can't even imagine with the hope they can find a better life in the U.S. Why would they go through all that unless their lives are in danger? And you expect them to just turn around an walk back? I wouldn't. F..k the law! If my life is in danger, I'm breaking it.

As far as I am concerned, ANYONE who goes through THAT much trouble to be here is a thousand times more deserving of a life in the U.S. than the typical native-born fatty who thinks he's special because he was born here.


Our border hasn't been open since 1910. Stop being such drama-queen. If our borders were open we wouldn't be deporting immigrants at record rates. As usual, right-wing media is taking one fact (that there are more border crossings now than there was during Trump's Administration) to distort the big picture (That there are many times more immigrants arriving at the border than there was during the Trump days).

In fact, if you look into the big picture, Trump actually contributed to the increase in immigrants through his sanctions on Venezuela, which cause insufferable hardships for the people there AND his Stay In Mexico BS where he basically let the line queue up for years as people were being raped and killed.

Biden reversed Trump's inhumane policies, he didn't "open the border".


Good! Not all of us are as scared of immigrants as you chicken-shits are. We prefer to be part of a brave and generous nation. Maybe it's time for you to find an island somewhere where you can surround yourself with a wall so no one will threaten your delicate superiority complex.


They are not "invading" our country, they are JOINING our country. As for the rest of your garbage... lockdowns happened under Trump, not Biden, mandates were also under Trump more than Biden, massive job losses also happened under Trump but under Biden we gained more jobs than we lost, same for businesses and inflation has very little to do with ANY president. Presidents don't run retail or finance. Inflation is 100% private sector business.

straightUp Loc: California

it's not about the stupid war between parties or against Trump. It's about the fact that Trump's policies were ridiculous. They were far more cruel than effective and served only to agitate the partisan bickering that he thrives on.

The wall is incredibly idiotic. This is the 21st century not 1624. We have airplanes now. Not just for immigrants to fly over the wall with but for border patrols to scout with. In fact Trump actually diverted funds that were allocated to modern technology for border security, including aircraft, drones and satellite links to his big stupid wall. You know what else he diverted funds from to feed his proposed wall? ...The service responsible for stopping more illegal crossings than any other agency including the Border Patrol... The U.S. Coast Guard. How much sense does that make?

Of course, it makes sense to Trump because it creates a rift between the people who have the brains to figure it out and the people who's ability to figure it out is overridden by their emotional bigotry.

Those bigots are so pumped up they're cheering Trump for closing the border despite the fact that he never even came close to finishing the wall and they don't even notice the irony.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

The reference to these hoards should actually be "invaders" or illegal migrants.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Trumps wait in Mexico policy and build a wall was more damaging then Obama/Biden cages? Or Bidens open door policy is less damaging to Americans, really? You should ask the communities who are suffering with the consequences of the invasion how damaging it is. Have you noticed that if someone doesn't agree with your opinion that automatically makes them a bigot, doesn't matter that all they want is border security, who's coming into our country and do they have means to care for themselves. You know ''the laws we have on the books". This is only one incident of not properly vetting these invaders, there's repeat offenders, look it up and imagine this was your child:

Illegal Immigrant with Notice to Appear Charged with Rape, Released by Sanctuary City

https://www.judicialwatch.org/illegal-immigrant-with-notice/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=tipsheet&utm_term=members

And you have the gall to call people who want secure borders names, if you cared about people, why not care about the American citizens who are reaping the cost of this invasion.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

More Caught Illegally Crossing Southern Border in 1 Year of Biden Than Entire Trump Presidency

The Terrorist Screening Dataset, says the webpage, “originated as the consolidated terrorist watchlist to house information on known or suspected terrorists (KSTs) but has evolved over the last decade to include additional individuals who represent a potential threat to the United States, including known affiliates of watchlisted individuals.”
In fiscal year 2017, when Donald Trump was inaugurated as president, the Border Patrol encountered just two individuals on the terrorist watchlist trying to sneak across the southern border between the ports of entry. In fiscal year 2018, it encountered six. In fiscal year 2019, it encountered none; in fiscal year 2020, it encountered three.

In fiscal year 2021, the year President Joe Biden was inaugurated, there was a substantial shift in the trend. That year, the number of individuals on the terrorist watchlist that the Border Patrol encountered trying to sneak across the southern border increased fivefold to 15.
Then, in fiscal year 2022, it climbed to 98.
So far in fiscal year 2023, which isn’t even half over yet, the Border Patrol has encountered 69 individuals on the terrorist watchlist trying to sneak across our southern border between the ports of entry.

How many on the terrorist watchlist have actually succeeded in illegally crossing our southern border into the United States?
There is no way to know.
“President Joe Biden has wasted no time making changes to the nation’s immigration and border policies, many of them a 180-degree reversal of former President Donald Trump’s restrictive policies,” The Arizona Republic reported.

“On his first day in office, Biden signed six executive orders and issued several more directives related to immigration and border security,” said the Republic. He also proposed legislation, as the Republic reported it, that would “provide a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants” who had arrived in the United States by Jan. 1, 2021.
The result? In fiscal year 2021, the number of individuals that the Border Patrol encountered as they illegally crossed the U.S.-Mexico border jumped to 1,734,686. In fiscal year 2022, it jumped again to 2,378,944.
From January 2017, when Trump was inaugurated, through January 2021, when Biden succeeded him in office, the Border Patrol, according to its data, encountered a total of 2,112,458 trying to illegally enter our country through the southern border.

That means the Border Patrol encountered more people trying to illegally cross the southern border in fiscal year 2022, under Biden, than it did through the entirety of Trump’s presidency.
On Feb. 7, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability held a hearing on the border crisis. The witnesses were Gloria Chavez, the Border Patrol’s chief agent in the Rio Grande Valley Sector, and John Modlin, the chief agent in the Tucson Sector.

Rep. Byron Donalds, R-Fla., asked them about the massive increase in illegal crossers encountered at the southern border.
“The thing I can tell you that goes to the spike that you’re talking about,” Modlin responded, “is that in the Tucson sector, interviewing people post-arrest, what became the most common response was that they believed that when the administration changed that the law changed, and policy changed and that there was an open border.”

“Chief, I’m glad you said that,” said Donalds, “because, ladies and gentlemen, the law did not change.
Joe Biden decided not to follow the law.”
https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/20/more-caught-illegally-crossing-southern-border-in-1-year-of-biden-than-entire-trump-presidency/

straightUp Loc: California

The cages were Trump, not Obama or Biden. Turns out those pictures of kids in cages from the Obama administration, were actually from the Trump administration. In fact, under Obama, old abandoned resorts were being converted to detention centers and I clearly remember how pissed off that made people like you, suggesting that these immigrant children were being pampered. Under Obama, children were also reunited with their parents in under 72 hours AND parents were always informed of where their children were in the meantime, both stipulations of the Flores Agreement that Obama complied with and Trump ignored.

It's also worth mentioning that there were fewer deportations under Trump than there were under either of Obama's terms. This is because under Obama they were quickly processed, reunited with family and either released into the country or deported. In stark contrast, the Trump Administration held immigrants indefinitely in privately-owned detention centers that made a profit from detaining them by receiving funds from the government based on how many immigrants were being detained. In fact some of the biggest supporters of Trump's immigration policy were the private prisons that wanted to expand and create a slave labor pool. Also worth mentioning that since they were privately owned and operated, these detention centers had no obligations to the Constitution and many of the detainees were abused. Meanwhile, they used indefinite and sometimes permanent separation of children as a scare tactic to warn immigrants not to come here. I remember that clearly as well.

As for the wall, that was only damaging in the sense that so many other things, such as the Coast Guard were defunded to divert money to it because Mexico flipped Trump the bird when he demanded that pay for it. So the American tax payers paid for it instead. Trump even shut the government down to try and arm-twist the money out of Congress to fund his wall. I remember that clearly as well.


I don't know what you're calling an open door policy... immigrants are still being deported at record levels. If you mean the open policy of giving refugees a chance to seek asylum, then I don't see what you're so freaked out about.


Why don't YOU ask them? I don't see you describing the damage to these communities in any way; you're just making a broad generalization.


No, because that doesn't happen. I haven't directly called anyone here a bigot... All my references to bigots are references to people in general that support draconian immigration laws. If you want to include yourself in that category, that's on you.


They HAVE border security... It's just not good enough enough for them as long as some immigrants get in.
Immigrants are here looking for work, it's native-born Americans that sit around playing video-games and collecting government handouts.


Yes, it happens... We can't always predict who will turn out committing crimes like this, but records indicate that a greater percentage of U.S. citizens commit these crimes than the percentage of immigrants that do.


No, I call people who demonize immigrants to justify their inhumane treatment names.


Reaping the cost? LOL - reaping means taking advantage. Maybe you should get an immigrant to teach you English.. But to the point that I know you're TRYING to make here... I care about people and I don't give a f**k if they are American or not. I don't think the people in these communities are "suffering" anywhere near as as much as the immigrants are. So, your "point" is extremely hypocritical.

As for these communities, I would support federal funding to help turn these "invasions" as you call them, into economic booms. Not enough room? Build! Every influx of people creates market demand. That's what happened with the "Irish invasion", the "Italian invasion" and all those other "invasions" where immigrants came in droves. There were always whiny bitches that complained about the new people but there were also innovators and entrepreneurs that turned them into economic pluses.

America needs workers anyway. Iowa recently rolled back child labor laws because they are so desperate for workers and here we have this influx of immigrants that would be happy to do the work. But people like you don't want them in because they're brown. Nothing on your side of the argument makes sense, unless you count all the lies. Immigrants are people... not demons. They need food, they need clothes, they need places to live and they are willing to work. These are the kind of people that MAKE America.

straightUp Loc: California

So explain something to me, Sparky... How did Biden catch more people crossing illegally in his first year than Trump did in his entire presidency if Biden's policy is an open border?

microphor Loc: Home is TN

[quote=straightUp]Reaping the cost? LOL - reaping means taking advantage. Maybe you should get an immigrant to teach you English.. But to the point that I know you're TRYING to make here... I care about people and I don't give a f**k if they are American or not. I don't think the people in these communities are "suffering" anywhere near as as much as the immigrants are. So, your "point" is extremely hypocritical.

As for these communities, I would support federal funding to help turn these "invasions" as you call them, into economic booms. Not enough room? Build! Every influx of people creates market demand. That's what happened with the "Irish invasion", the "Italian invasion" and all those other "invasions" where immigrants came in droves. There were always whiny bitches that complained about the new people but there were also innovators and entrepreneurs that turned them into economic pluses.

America needs workers anyway. Iowa recently rolled back child labor laws because they are so desperate for workers and here we have this influx of immigrants that would be happy to do the work. But people like you don't want them in because they're brown. Nothing on your side of the argument makes sense, unless you count all the lies. Immigrants are people... not demons. They need food, they need clothes, they need places to live and they are willing to work. These are the kind of people


Yes I used the word wrong- The invasion is a direct result of Biden's disobeying our immigration laws. Please don't use the excuse that we don't have people to do the job, we had 6.3 million unemployed Americans at end of 2023. Those are register and probably don't include those who are not required to get a job (single parent in the home with young children) and is receiving benefits. ""The unemployment rate held at 3.7 percent in December 2023, and the number of unemployed persons was essentially unchanged at 6.3 million. These measures are higher than a year earlier, when the jobless rate was 3.5 percent and the number of unemployed persons was 5.7 million. PER: US Bureau of Labor Stats.. So if your implying I don't care about people because I want secure borders, I don't really give a f**k. And accusing me of racism is the left go to. It means nothing anymore.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

America 1 Loc: South Miami

If you give an open welcome to come one come all, certainly there will be more apprehended.
Except, those crossing illegally and apprehended are allowed to stay.
Spark-off.