pescado rojo wrote:
Speaking of an understanding of the English language, you capitalize a noun that is being used in the context of a proper noun. I understand Progressives have problems with this sort of thing.
LOL - a noun is either proper or it isn't. If it's a reference to a specific person or group like Biden or the Democrats then you capitalize. If it's a reference to a concept like democracy then you don't. (used in the context of a proper noun - lol) - no wonder you folks get so confused. I'd love to see you explain that one.
pescado rojo wrote:
As for your definition of a democracy, ( notice by use of "a" I demoted it from proper noun)
All the determinant "a" does is make the reference non-specific as opposed to a specific reference such as "the democracy in Japan". It's still a concept and not an actual organization. Japan's democracy doesn't have a phone number or an address or a title or any of the things that would make it an organization.
Think about it genius... If what you said was true we would have to capitalize EVERYTHING preceded with "the"... There's a problem with the Brakes... Can you pass the Potatoes... Did you get rid of the Junk?
Anyway, thanks for the giggle.
pescado rojo wrote:
you forgot to mention the rest of the definition that seemingly does not fit your agenda.
b(1)
: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.
Merriam--Webster, same place you got yours.
I see where your confusion is... You apparently don't understand how to use a dictionary. The "b" at the start of what you are calling the "rest of the definition" denotes a second example. Words can sometimes have more than two meanings or sometimes a dictionary will offer multiple examples of a meaning that applies to many things and they will enumerate them with lower-case letters.
Here's the the whole entry taken from Merriam-Webster...
a
: government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Just so you know, "b" doesn't negate "a".
Even in the second iteration, you seem to miss the fact that is says "directly OR indirectly".
What really makes this funny is that in this discussion where your side is insisting that the presence of representatives makes it a republic and NOT a democracy, you come along with a definition that actually includes representatives as part of a democracy.
It's like all I have to do is duck out of the way and let you hillbillies shoot each other.
pescado rojo wrote:
Now for your own history lesson, a republic (notice that pesky "a" again? Now, had I said The Republic, that would have been a proper noun)
No, it wouldn't... if you were to say, "The United States of America" - THAT would be a proper noun; by referring to "the" republic you are still referring to a concept, even though it's a specific reference. This is why we still write things like "yes, you can take the car today" instead of "yes, you can take the Car today." But carry on...
pescado rojo wrote:
is a democratic form of government in which the citizens of said political entity elect representatives, mouthpieces, if you will, to represent their interests withing the confines of a constitution or set of rules of some sort.
First of all, you are literally confirming that a republic is a democratic form of government. That actually does make it a democracy AND a republic, not just one or the other. So, I don't know if you realize this or not but you are actually supporting my argument.
Secondly, my definition of a republic being any form of government that isn't a monarchy is a simplified definition. I often reference the simplest definition as a common denominator to simplify my arguments. The fact is not every republic in history had the same level of democracy or limits on power but the common denominator is that they NEVER had a monarch. This was the focus for republicans like Jefferson (note the lower case - the Republican Party hadn't been created yet.) Jefferson was well aware that the British already had a representative democracy in the form of a parliament and that wasn't the thing he wanted to change. What he wanted to change was the head of state, not so much the form of government. He preferred the idea of a republic that would elect a president as the head of state rather than a king.
But, if you want to expand the definition, I would agree that most republics today are indeed democratic forms of government with limits on power.
Now, getting back to the topic... When you hear people on the left talking about the threat to democracy, they are not necessarily suggesting that democracy will disappear entirely. They are more likely referring to a degradation of democracy that will affect our representation.
pescado rojo wrote:
In a direct type of a democracy, we would have to be our own representatives.
That's true. Instead, we have representatives that vote on the issues on our behalf. That doesn't mean it's not a democracy, it simply means it's a representative democracy, although I would argue that such representation degrades when representatives are too busy fighting with each other to actually vote on ANY issues.
One thing I want to point out that people somehow forget. When we elect our representatives that *IS* a direct democracy.
pescado rojo wrote:
I hope I didn't use too many big words.
Are you worried you might screw up if you do?