One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Looking the enemy in the eye
Page <<first <prev 6 of 8 next> last>>
Jan 24, 2024 16:17:08   #
Justice101
 
tomhoff24 wrote:
Explain that to anyone that has been sexually assaulted,like my daughter. That person that did that would be done and I would be in jail.


I guess that her fantasy book entitled "What are men good for?" didn't sell very well in 2018 when Ms. Carroll levelled the rape accusation against Trump in public and he insulted her. She is obviously a nutjob if she can't even remember the date or the year that this assault happened in a fashionable department store that probably had attendants at the dressing rooms at that time.

A woman who's been raped will remember the date that it happened.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 16:21:07   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
David W. Rudlin

Is the fact that seditious Trump can still be a presidential candidate proof that the American democracy is deeply flawed and needs to be reformed? (You might want to get comfortable for this one)

Trump’s utter lack of shame and decency have shown that a lot of things we thought were laws are actually just norms that every other president adhered to, but Trump simply ignores. That needs to be cleaned up. And his endless frivolous lawsuits intended to do nothing more than delay his inevitable conviction show that our legal system needs to be improved to protect against serial criminals with the money to delay justice.

But we the real problem is… us.

It is beyond belief that a man out on bail in four different jurisdictions, a man who had to fly back from winning the Iowa caucus to a NY courtroom where a jury will decide how much he has to pay the woman he raped, defamed, and then defamed again. It is beyond belief that the leading candidate for the Republican nomination is also the biggest single threat to our national security, a man who now admits that yes he did have “papers” he stole from the White House — despite having sworn the FBI must have planted them. It is beyond belief that crazy Rudy owes $148 million for his job in destroying the lives of two Georgia poll workers by telling baseless lies about them, but the man he did it for — a man who spread those same lies from the biggest bully pulpit in the world — is thinking about the Oval Office and not the poor house.

Let’s not blame this on democracy. To end the Trump infestation, all we have to do is say — with apologies to Nancy Reagan — NO. If you believe the various insider accounts, 80% of Congressional Republicans hate the fool, but they pretend otherwise because they know if they don’t they will get primaried and pilloried by the Cult. People of courage and conviction like Liz Cheney are thrown out of the party and shunned. All because 1/3 of the country has somehow decided that the greatest crime spree in American history shouldn’t be disqualifying for the highest office in the land.

We have looked the enemy in the eye, and it is us. Democracy may need a little sprucing up, but it is we the people who need reformation.
David W. Rudlin br br Is the fact that seditious ... (show quote)


NWR

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 16:24:42   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Justice101 wrote:
I guess that her fantasy book entitled "What are men good for?" didn't sell very well in 2018 when Ms. Carroll levelled the rape accusation against Trump in public and he insulted her. She is obviously a nutjob if she can't even remember the date or the year that this assault happened in a fashionable department store that probably had attendants at the dressing rooms at that time.

A woman who's been raped will remember the date that it happened.


do not be so sure, some things done to people are so grievous that the memory is suppressed...

I do not think you have the right to make such a judgement on any woman who has gone through sexual assault..

Reply
 
 
Jan 24, 2024 16:26:42   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
do not be so sure, some things done to people are so grievous that the memory is suppressed...

I do not think you have the right to make such a judgement on any woman who has gone through sexual assault..


I have a cousin who was raped, so I know what I'm talking about.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 16:32:29   #
American Vet
 
slatten49 wrote:
Trump was not convicted of rape, per se. Yet, the presiding judge declared the verdict tantamount to rape.


No evidence. No witnesses. Not reported to the police. Occurred 20+ years ago. Not reported till now. The presiding judge declared his opinion.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 16:53:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Justice101 wrote:
I have a cousin who was raped, so I know what I'm talking about.


It is a great difference in how people deal with it.. know a few... one did not even miss a day of work after being raped by an intruder who locked her child in a closet only after she begged not to be attacked in front of the child..

While another lady, now aged will never forget the event and in her 60s was woken by dreams of it.. poor gal indeed.

Hope your cousin dealt with it as well as possible.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 17:10:44   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
It is a great difference in how people deal with it.. know a few... one did not even miss a day of work after being raped by an intruder who locked her child in a closet only after she begged not to be attacked in front of the child..

While another lady, now aged will never forget the event and in her 60s was woken by dreams of it.. poor gal indeed.

Hope your cousin dealt with it as well as possible.


She went to a therapist for a while and seems better adjusted when we talk. She is the only one I know who was sexually attacked and our families were close when we were growing up.

Reply
 
 
Jan 24, 2024 17:14:08   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
permafrost wrote:
It seems the radical right wing trump lovers missed the point or more likely choose the pretend it is not real..

The ability to throw enough money to avoid justice has been a fact of life for trump from the age of his first gift making him a millionaire at the age of 8.. daddy gave him all that in order to gain a tax deduction and still control the money.. donnie was well schooled in the art of stringing out the courts..

It has worked dozens if not hundreds of times to out spend the law or buy out the injured.

Now at a time of crisis in America he uses the same tactic of burning time as long as possible and avoiding a trial, at least until after the election.. he thinks winning the office will absolve him of prosecution. but that is another item.

This is about the ability to string out the justice coming for him endlessly buy the frivolous appeals and motions to the court as was pointed out by slatten and the writer..

No way is that the concept that the founding fathers intended when they spock of justice in the America they created.. All such attempt are only to avoid facing the charges of his misdeeds.

we need to cut the foolishness and lock the SOB up... sooner rather than later..
It seems the radical right wing trump lovers misse... (show quote)



Hello to you permafrost.Been a long time sharing with you...Lets get real and remember I still love ya.

Perhaps what was in debate and not unknown was whether Trump had a plan to replace the shortfall in Social Security funding in the event that he "eliminated payroll taxes." ? I don't
know, do you? Would you be kind enough to submit what you have on this proposal in budget cuts of social secrity. I mean if he did each year certainly there is something to refer to, yes?

You know how things get blown out of proportion perhaps the co mingling of such made good headlines?
Trump did not explicitly vow to terminate Social Security, as those headlines claimed, but one of several plans he mentioned in an Aug. 8 press conference involved eliminating payroll taxes a move that would, as things stood, remove the overwhelming majority of funding for Social Security and likely pose a threat to its continued existence. Of ocurse there was not further discusion in that interview or whatever it was to determine how he would off set that loss and what he intented to do to correct the deficit of Social Security since its always one of the largest fear mongering tactics used especially in election cycles specifically.. I don't know- good thought to it all.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-terminate-social-security/

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 17:23:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Justice101 wrote:
She went to a therapist for a while and seems better adjusted when we talk. She is the only one I know who was sexually attacked and our families were close when we were growing up.



Reply
Jan 24, 2024 17:31:28   #
Salvatore
 
Slatten49
No matter what you want to believe Trump has not been tried and found guilty of sedition or insurrection! Flying back and forth from speeches to court to Iowa caucus back to court then New Hampshire only proves this mans stamina, that Joe Biden could never even attempt! Trump has nothing to feel ashamed of no matter how you slur him! He is for America and the American people!
When Joe Biden became President all he had to do was nothing! But he chose to open the Southern Boarder and let in by now the count is 9 million illegals! They have brought in disease, drugs, and are the cause of 100,000 Americans dying of Fentanyl poisoning. Besides the trafficking of human beings!
The woman who accused Trump of raping her in 1994,1995, or 1996 does not remember the date, time, or whether it was winter, spring, summer or fall! And she claims to be wearing a particular dress that had not even been made at that time! She deleted e mails that were subpoenaed by the court which would exonerate Trump that she was being berated and received death threats before Trump started berating her on social media!
It would behoove you to find out the facts before you accuse anyone of things that they never did or never said.
The truth is incontrovertible no matter how you twist the facts or make up stories that are false!
You may one day be on the receiving end of a subpoena because you made up lies or untruths about someone and caused them harm! Is that how you live your life?
I sure hope not!

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 17:34:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lindajoy wrote:
Hello to you permafrost.Been a long time sharing with you...Lets get real and remember I still love ya.

Perhaps what was in debate and not unknown was whether Trump had a plan to replace the shortfall in Social Security funding in the event that he "eliminated payroll taxes." ? I don't
know, do you? Would you be kind enough to submit what you have on this proposal in budget cuts of social secrity. I mean if he did each year certainly there is something to refer to, yes?

You know how things get blown out of proportion perhaps the co mingling of such made good headlines?
Trump did not explicitly vow to terminate Social Security, as those headlines claimed, but one of several plans he mentioned in an Aug. 8 press conference involved eliminating payroll taxes a move that would, as things stood, remove the overwhelming majority of funding for Social Security and likely pose a threat to its continued existence. Of ocurse there was not further discusion in that interview or whatever it was to determine how he would off set that loss and what he intented to do to correct the deficit of Social Security since its always one of the largest fear mongering tactics used especially in election cycles specifically.. I don't know- good thought to it all.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-terminate-social-security/
Hello to you permafrost.Been a long time sharing w... (show quote)


Hello Linda.. so glad to see you back on OPPs,,, As you know a lot of us missed you...

trump has greatly changed his comments about SS...

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-plan-defund-social-security/

ARTICLE
AUG 12, 2020
Trump’s Plan To Defund Social Security
Permanently terminating the employee payroll tax along the lines President Trump has proposed would empty Social Security’s trust fund by 2026 or earlier.

This is a more recent comment As you know, I do not trust him, but we each make up our own minds..

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-reveals-plans-social-security-1849868

Donald Trump Reveals Plans for Social Security
Dec 05, 2023 at 11:45 PM EST

Reply
 
 
Jan 24, 2024 18:08:59   #
tomhoff24
 
Salvatore wrote:
Slatten49
No matter what you want to believe Trump has not been tried and found guilty of sedition or insurrection! Flying back and forth from speeches to court to Iowa caucus back to court then New Hampshire only proves this mans stamina, that Joe Biden could never even attempt! Trump has nothing to feel ashamed of no matter how you slur him! He is for America and the American people!
When Joe Biden became President all he had to do was nothing! But he chose to open the Southern Boarder and let in by now the count is 9 million illegals! They have brought in disease, drugs, and are the cause of 100,000 Americans dying of Fentanyl poisoning. Besides the trafficking of human beings!
The woman who accused Trump of raping her in 1994,1995, or 1996 does not remember the date, time, or whether it was winter, spring, summer or fall! And she claims to be wearing a particular dress that had not even been made at that time! She deleted e mails that were subpoenaed by the court which would exonerate Trump that she was being berated and received death threats before Trump started berating her on social media!
It would behoove you to find out the facts before you accuse anyone of things that they never did or never said.
The truth is incontrovertible no matter how you twist the facts or make up stories that are false!
You may one day be on the receiving end of a subpoena because you made up lies or untruths about someone and caused them harm! Is that how you live your life?
I sure hope not!
Slatten49 br No matter what you want to believe... (show quote)

Actually it was sexual assault. He’s been convicted of that. This trial is for charges of him not being able to keep his mouth shut.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 18:53:04   #
WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX
 
permafrost wrote:
do not be so sure, some things done to people are so grievous that the memory is suppressed...

I do not think you have the right to make such a judgement on any woman who has gone through sexual assault..


I have the right to pass judgement on anyone who portends to be an unreported crime victim 30 years after the fact. Without pictures/DNA there is nothing but a whack job bounty hunting Trollope hanging in the balance. It's logic.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 18:59:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
David W. Rudlin

Is the fact that seditious Trump can still be a presidential candidate proof that the American democracy is deeply flawed and needs to be reformed? (You might want to get comfortable for this one)
Schadenfreude: Trump wins New Hampshire, and yeah, there were reasons
By Monica Showalter

After months of media fussing about the competition within the GOP race, President Trump settled the matter once and for all by winning liberal-ish New Hampshire by a 20-point margin. All the talking heads claiming this was some kind of suspense race can eat their words now, and for the rest of us, there's no need to listen to them next time they want to make another pronouncement.

Instead, as Dean Phillips, a little-known Democrat who is challenging Joe Biden on the Democrat side, observed:

"I went to a Donald Trump rally a couple nights ago. Never been to one. I had an event across the street. I saw the line of people waiting in the cold for hours and I thought, what the heck!"

"I met probably 50 Trump people waiting in line. Every single one of them, thoughtful, hospitable, friendly, all of them so frustrated that they feel nobody's listening to them but Donald Trump. A diverse crowd. People who had never been to a Trump event before. My party is completely delusional right now, and somebody had to wake us up. And if that's my job, so be it,"
he said.

Yeah, I recognize these people. Broken glass voters over the place, including the deep freeze. They're turning out anyway. It's Trump and it was always going to be Trump, who in the Biden era, is the candidate of 'normalcy.'

Which brings on more than a litttle schadenfreude to the pompous asses who thought otherwise and gummed up our airwaves with their prognostications.

Why did Trump win? I saw two excellent explanations that resonated with me on RealClearPolitics, the first from Fox News's Brit Hume, who said as soon as the politicized indictments were leveled at Trump, the other contenders didn't have a chance.

According to RealClearPolitics, which has the video:


BRET BAIER: The Earth shaking campaign news about Ron DeSantis getting out, Brit. Now you have three interesting endorsements of former President Trump one of them happening today. South Carolina congresswoman Nancy Mace endorsed the former president. You have Tim Scott, the Senator from South Carolina and then had you Marco Rubio at the beginning, all three of them were helped by Nikki Haley as South Carolina governor. In fact, Nancy Mayes she was endorsed by Haley while the opponent to Nancy Mace was endorsed by President Trump. So what about the implosion of DeSantis?

BRIT HUME: There is a lot of talk now about he did this wrong and that wrong in the campaign and didn't get off to a good start and the media strategy. I think all of that had very little to do with the outcome. The outcome came down to one thing and that is a reservoir of voters in the Republican party who are going to vote for Donald Trump if they had the chance.

It was obscured by polling for about a year ago that suggested that he could be beaten and that Ron DeSantis could beat him. But once he got indicted, sketchy indictment in New York, the sentiment for him woke up and I don't think that either he or DeSantis or really any other candidate had a chance against that. These Republicans want this man and they voting for him.

Why is that? Because the voters can see that those politicized and junk indictments are a threat to them. The other candidates said very little about these indictments and it's believed that they were running because they believed those indictments would succeed. It's nice to be the man or woman in the wings waiting once Trump is knocked out.

The voters, though, had another take: This crap needs to stop now or we're Venezuela or Russia. That kind of garbage goes on all the time in those places. Make that the standard here and we are history. Jailing your opposition is fourth-world politics, not American politics, a bottom dropping out and an open gateway for the normalization of this kind vile kangaroo-court injustice. Coming on top of the stolen election (which more than half the GOP voters believe was stolen), the sleazy one-sided partisan impeachments, the Steele dossier calumnies, and the machinations of the state and the goose was cooked. Stop that now. Deal with that now. Only Trump, who was in the middle of it, would understand and put a stop to it once elected, protecting us and protecting our democratic way of life, so he had to be elected no matter how much ice and snow was on the ground. The other candidates simply didn't recognize it, and indeed wanted to profit from it personally, so to hell with them. They should not have been running at all.

Of course they didn't have a chance. They had some nice policy proposals, and one of them, Ron DeSantis, had a fine record as governor, but they sure as heck didn't recognize the burning issue of the day, which was the deep state conniving and legal abuse going on in the judicial branch which affects Trump and affects us all.

Which brings on the other item that was striking and resonant at RealClearPolitics, the powerful essay written by Lynn Friess (Foster Friess's widow) titled 'It's Almost Morning in America."

She argues that the nation, with its really wildly different interest groups, is actually coming together under Trump, writing that:

These diverse groups are seeking an outsider, a problem solver. One candidate can cut through the noise and address these significant issues. President Trump remains untethered to special interests, unswayed by partisan press, and driven by the principle of “America First.” His unique position enables collaboration across party lines for the benefit of all Americans.

These unusual alliances offer the greatest opportunity for unity in our nation. Yet, some of my neighbors still say, “I liked what he did in his first term, but I don’t agree with his antics.”

President Trump’s unconventional methods, which yielded success in his first term, are why a diverse group of Americans believe he can once again deliver on the changes they so desperately desire.
My late husband, Foster, often said, “My success in building a billion-dollar business came from harnessing people’s strengths and ignoring their weaknesses.” President Trump is far from perfect (aren’t we all), but tens of millions of Americans feel that nobody is listening to them except Donald Trump. Where conventional politicians left broken promises, President Trump delivered.

Unlike Nikki Haley, or worse still, Joe Biden, he's nobody's puppet with big moneybag donors in the background quietly issuing orders. He's detached from special interests and uninterested in their money, so he can actually govern as a free agent in the voters' interests.

The last part of her statement is insightful, too -- the coming together seems to be despite Trump's mean tweets, voters are learning to ignore that and do things the Foster Freiss way, which is to harness Trump's strengths and ignore his weaknesses.

If that's the case, this race is going to be over pretty soon. Not only do Trump's GOP rivals not have a chance, Joe Biden doesn't have a chance, either. He sucks so bad as president even cheating might not save him.

Trump's time is now because he's got his finger on what concerns voters and is in a perfect position to do something about it. After it's done, we can talk about gubernatorial records of his potential successors and the like, but the machinery needs to be fixed first or none of that matters.

That's why Trump is stomping them all and the pundits are flabbergasted.

They always say a lot can happen in politics between now and November, but this is what's happening.

Reply
Jan 24, 2024 19:01:33   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
tomhoff24 wrote:
Actually it was sexual assault. He’s been convicted of that. This trial is for charges of him not being able to keep his mouth shut.

Again, Trump was not convicted of rape, per se. Yet, the presiding judge declared the verdict tantamount to rape.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 6 of 8 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.