RandyBrian wrote:
Another strawman with no relationship to reality.
Except it is. Look at your boy Mike Johnson, the new Speaker. Wants to set up a special "fiscal commission" to discuss how to go about keeping SS and Medicare solvent past 2032. Look at the history of Republicans talking about these programs as "entitlements" that need curtailing. They've been wanting to privatize these funds for decades. The only thing the average conservative or liberal voter can agree on anymore is to shore these programs up, not privatize or cut them. But you go ahead and turn a blind-eye, I'm sure that'll do plenty of good.
RandyBrian wrote:
Talk about laughable.
Trump did nothing to anyone, bombing included, except in retaliation for attacks against us or our allies. Those still were not wars, proxy or otherwise.
And WHAT religious beliefs are being forced, or even attempted to be forced, on any American? That is a strawman argument with no substance in reality. If you disagree, give me a couple of examples.
It must be nice living in selective ignorance like that. No religion isn't being literally forced on anyone. But let's not pretend that a certain faction of Republican legislators aren't always whining that this is a Christian nation and that there is no separation of church-and-state, even though the 1st Amendment makes it pretty clear. Let's ignore that certain legislators in "red states" want to teach "creationism" in public schools as if it's a bona fide science. Or that all the anti-abortion legislation is not rooted in these religious beliefs. I guess this is all not happening, right
J Anthony wrote:
Except it is. Look at your boy Mike Johnson, the new Speaker. Wants to set up a special "fiscal commission" to discuss how to go about keeping SS and Medicare solvent past 2032. Look at the history of Republicans talking about these programs as "entitlements" that need curtailing. They've been wanting to privatize these funds for decades. The only thing the average conservative or liberal voter can agree on anymore is to shore these programs up, not privatize or cut them. But you go ahead and turn a blind-eye, I'm sure that'll do plenty of good.
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Social Security and Medicare ARE entitlements! That's what they ARE! There is NOWHERE, except in leftist false lingo, that they are called 'rights'.
Now, does the right wants to eliminate them? NO! They serve a valid purpose for society. Are they unnecessarily costly, inefficient, and misused? ABSOLUTELY! Does the right wants to rethink and revise them to make them more efficient and workable and SUSTAINABLE for the future? ABSOLUTELY! Is privatizing them one possibility? Yes. Should we begin a long, careful, and serious discussion about a better system? Yes.
Does the right wants to eliminate or seriously cut either social security or Medicare? NO!
THAT is the STRAWMAN that the left uses to attack Republicans who want to reform and improve both systems.
The Democrats LIKE this corrupt and poorly working system because it keeps them with a strong hand on a lot of people. They think they deserve and need to be in control of YOUR life, MY life, and everyone else's lives.
The end justifies the means.
RandyBrian wrote:
Social Security and Medicare ARE entitlements! That's what they ARE! There is NOWHERE, except in leftist false lingo, that they are called 'rights'.
Now, does the right wants to eliminate them? NO! They serve a valid purpose for society. Are they unnecessarily costly, inefficient, and misused? ABSOLUTELY! Does the right wants to rethink and revise them to make them more efficient and workable and SUSTAINABLE for the future? ABSOLUTELY! Is privatizing them one possibility? Yes. Should we begin a long, careful, and serious discussion about a better system? Yes.
Does the right wants to eliminate or seriously cut either social security or Medicare? NO!
THAT is the STRAWMAN that the left uses to attack Republicans who want to reform and improve both systems.
The Democrats LIKE this corrupt and poorly working system because it keeps them with a strong hand on a lot of people. They think they deserve and need to be in control of YOUR life, MY life, and everyone else's lives.
The end justifies the means.
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That's fine. Privatization is not the answer. Should either party offer a viable solution that does not involve cutting peoples' benefits, I'm all ears. So far I haven't seen or heard anything viable from either side. As far as it just being Democrats who play games just to retain power, get real. Both parties have their pet-issues that make them seem like the "good guys" to their voters, and the other party the "bad guys".It's a false-dichotomy that I find it difficult to believe anyone falls for anymore.Neither can be trusted. But ok, you say Republicans want to improve these programs, I'm looking forward to hearing about their ideas.
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats
Great video Tom thanks for posting and Merry Christmas(Feliz Navidad)to You and your family. I think that maybe the light finally showing thru the tunel darkness.
J Anthony wrote:
It must be nice living in selective ignorance like that. No religion isn't being literally forced on anyone. But let's not pretend that a certain faction of Republican legislators aren't always whining that this is a Christian nation and that there is no separation of church-and-state, even though the 1st Amendment makes it pretty clear. Let's ignore that certain legislators in "red states" want to teach "creationism" in public schools as if it's a bona fide science. Or that all the anti-abortion legislation is not rooted in these religious beliefs. I guess this is all not happening, right
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No pretense needed. Your second sentence tells it all. The rest amounts to "but but but...what about....." examples that are not forced on anyone. And this IS a Christian based nation, whether you admit it or not. That is NOT the same thing as BEING a Christian nation. I oppose laws that force religious beliefs on anyone. The 1st Amendment makes it clear ONLY that the government should not SUPPORT one religion over another. There is nothing wrong with teaching creationism as A THEORY that billions of people believe in. Evolution is just a THEORY that is even more problematic than creationism, and is still strongly believed in even though it's most basic proposals are currently unworkable and unexplained by science.
And the idea that anti-abortion is rooted in religious beliefs is ridiculous, even if religious people DO tend to be pro-life.
I despise murder for human and social reasons, regardless of my religious beliefs. Because it is killing an innocent.
I oppose murder, stealing, drug abuse, assault and battery, and a hundred other things because I am civilized, honest, and a person of conviction. I would be the same if I were an atheist.
Are you FOR all those things because you reject religion? Are those things therefore acceptable to you just because religions stand AGAINST them?
J Anthony wrote:
That's fine. Privatization is not the answer. Should either party offer a viable solution that does not involve cutting peoples' benefits, I'm all ears. So far I haven't seen or heard anything viable from either side. As far as it just being Democrats who play games just to retain power, get real. Both parties have their pet-issues that make them seem like the "good guys" to their voters, and the other party the "bad guys".It's a false-dichotomy that I find it difficult to believe anyone falls for anymore.Neither can be trusted. But ok, you say Republicans want to improve these programs, I'm looking forward to hearing about their ideas.
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I agree that both sides use fear and tactics to retain power. I submit that the Democrats are far WORSE. For example, any time an attempt to have meaningful discussions about reforming social security, they start screaming about that the Republicans want to eliminate SS so they can give massive tax cuts to the rich.
What utter lying stupidity.
But Democrat voters accept it, repeat it, and cry about it, totally disregarding the actual facts.
Kind of like the daily repeated subjective mantra that "Trump wants to be a dictator", while ignoring the objective
facts that Trump never DID act as a dictator, while Biden has done so repeatedly since he took office.
RandyBrian wrote:
No pretense needed. Your second sentence tells it all. The rest amounts to "but but but...what about....." examples that are not forced on anyone. And this IS a Christian based nation, whether you admit it or not. That is NOT the same thing as BEING a Christian nation. I oppose laws that force religious beliefs on anyone. The 1st Amendment makes it clear ONLY that the government should not SUPPORT one religion over another. There is nothing wrong with teaching creationism as A THEORY that billions of people believe in. Evolution is just a THEORY that is even more problematic than creationism, and is still strongly believed in even though it's most basic proposals are currently unworkable and unexplained by science.
And the idea that anti-abortion is rooted in religious beliefs is ridiculous, even if religious people DO tend to be pro-life.
I despise murder for human and social reasons, regardless of my religious beliefs. Because it is killing an innocent.
I oppose murder, stealing, drug abuse, assault and battery, and a hundred other things because I am civilized, honest, and a person of conviction. I would be the same if I were an atheist.
Are you FOR all those things because you reject religion? Are those things therefore acceptable to you just because religions stand AGAINST them?
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No man. Abortion is an ugly thing, but it isn't the government's place to impose that decision on anyone.
Just because the majority of religious people in the US are some denomination of Christian, doesn't make the country a "Christian-based country." Many of the venerated founding fathers knew better and conceived of a secular country and made that pretty clear in the first amendment. So you'll have to explain what you mean by "Christian-based", because I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
And if you're asking me am I for murder, stealing, drug abuse etc,. why would I be "for" any of that? Most people are not, I think, as you said, regardless of whether they're theist or atheist. If that's not what you were asking me, then it's moot.
Maybe no one is literally forcing any of their beliefs on anyone, but certain politicians are being more subtle about it, such as new Speaker Mike Johnson, another in a long line of Republicans who insist the first amendment doesn't mean what it actually says. I bring him up because as Speaker he's two positions away from POTUS. Yes, it ought to be a concern, as it's bad enough having religious zealots of any kind in government, where their decisions are informed by their religion And there have been conservatives all over the place still trying to get prayer back in public schools, which is and always has been unconstitutional. Creationism is a religious theory, and not a particularly substantial one, so how you think it deserves to be taught as a scientific theory is beyond me, as there is nothing scientific about it.This is not a theocracy, thank goodness, no matter how much some people would like it to be. There are plenty of other places people can learn about the creationist theory if they want to. So why the burning desire to get it into the public schools?
RandyBrian wrote:
I agree that both sides use fear and tactics to retain power. I submit that the Democrats are far WORSE. For example, any time an attempt to have meaningful discussions about reforming social security, they start screaming about that the Republicans want to eliminate SS so they can give massive tax cuts to the rich.
What utter lying stupidity.
But Democrat voters accept it, repeat it, and cry about it, totally disregarding the actual facts.
Kind of like the daily repeated subjective mantra that "Trump wants to be a dictator", while ignoring the objective
facts that Trump never DID act as a dictator, while Biden has done so repeatedly since he took office.
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When it comes to Biden or Trump, it's a lose/lose situation. I hold both parties and their current figureheads in equal contempt, and am surprised that more people don't agree. But so many are still reactionary; liberals i talk to think I'm for Trump if I criticize Biden, and conservatives assume I'm for Biden if I criticize Trump. The narrow partisan horse-race mentality still has too many people in it's grip. It ought to be clear by now these parties have been more of an obstacle than anything else and have utterly sold out to their biggest donors and corporate lobbyists long ago. Everything you accuse Democrat voters of doing is true, and Republican voters just mirror the same ignorant behavior most of the time.
As far as having a reasonable discussion on how to sustain and strengthen the couple of programs that conservatives, liberals, righties, and lefties alike can agree are worth keeping, they have failed at that too. What is it keeping them from working together in an honorable way on this, or anything, for that matter? Except when it comes to feeding the war machine, of course. They're pretty much in lock-step when it comes to that. I don't know, but pointing fingers and tit-for-tat is hypocritical at best. They have become flip-sides of the same coin, projecting onto eachother the same crap they both do. It's a theater of the absurd.
J Anthony wrote:
No man. Abortion is an ugly thing, but it isn't the government's place to impose that decision on anyone.
Just because the majority of religious people in the US are some denomination of Christian, doesn't make the country a "Christian-based country." Many of the venerated founding fathers knew better and conceived of a secular country and made that pretty clear in the first amendment. So you'll have to explain what you mean by "Christian-based", because I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
And if you're asking me am I for murder, stealing, drug abuse etc,. why would I be "for" any of that? Most people are not, I think, as you said, regardless of whether they're theist or atheist. If that's not what you were asking me, then it's moot.
Maybe no one is literally forcing any of their beliefs on anyone, but certain politicians are being more subtle about it, such as new Speaker Mike Johnson, another in a long line of Republicans who insist the first amendment doesn't mean what it actually says. I bring him up because as Speaker he's two positions away from POTUS. Yes, it ought to be a concern, as it's bad enough having religious zealots of any kind in government, where their decisions are informed by their religion And there have been conservatives all over the place still trying to get prayer back in public schools, which is and always has been unconstitutional. Creationism is a religious theory, and not a particularly substantial one, so how you think it deserves to be taught as a scientific theory is beyond me, as there is nothing scientific about it.This is not a theocracy, thank goodness, no matter how much some people would like it to be. There are plenty of other places people can learn about the creationist theory if they want to. So why the burning desire to get it into the public schools?
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Bloviating atheistic BS. Not worthy of the time to engage in debate. For example the premeditated murder of 64 Million totally innocent and helpless babies in the womb, deprives them of a right life. " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." When we were a secular government but a Christian nation it was a felony to murder an unborn child. When atheistic & immoral Marxism forced their voice and vote into politics Traditional American morals, values, faith, family, love and respect for country came under their perpetual attack. The objective is to destroy our Republic and they're highly successful.
J Anthony wrote:
No man. Abortion is an ugly thing, but it isn't the government's place to impose that decision on anyone.
Just because the majority of religious people in the US are some denomination of Christian, doesn't make the country a "Christian-based country." Many of the venerated founding fathers knew better and conceived of a secular country and made that pretty clear in the first amendment. So you'll have to explain what you mean by "Christian-based", because I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
And if you're asking me am I for murder, stealing, drug abuse etc,. why would I be "for" any of that? Most people are not, I think, as you said, regardless of whether they're theist or atheist. If that's not what you were asking me, then it's moot.
Maybe no one is literally forcing any of their beliefs on anyone, but certain politicians are being more subtle about it, such as new Speaker Mike Johnson, another in a long line of Republicans who insist the first amendment doesn't mean what it actually says. I bring him up because as Speaker he's two positions away from POTUS. Yes, it ought to be a concern, as it's bad enough having religious zealots of any kind in government, where their decisions are informed by their religion And there have been conservati Creationism is a religious theory, and not a particularly substantial one, so how you think it deserves to be taught as a scientific theory is beyond me, as there is nothing scientific about it.This is not a theocracy, thank goodness, no matter how much some people would like it to be. There are plenty of other places people can learn about the creationist theory if they want to. So why the burning desire to get it into the public schools?
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Two quick answers:
Your statement is meaningless, and does not apply. The Constitution and the laws of the land ARE Christian based because they were TAKEN from the Bible and Christian beliefs when they were written. The Founding fathers were NOT trying to create a secular society....almost all of them were openly and faithfully Christian in belief and in practice. The first Amendment was NOT written to create a "separation of Church and State". That is something that was invented later by liberals to justify their own desires.
The First Amendment was written to PREVENT government from establishing or supporting one specific CHURCH over others. I firmly support that.
Your 'concerns' about Christian politicians is equally wrong. As a Christian, I would be elected to administer the laws of the land, not to force my beliefs on others. I (and you) should be much MORE concerned about NON-Christians being elected who do not believe in right or wrong, and would be much MORE likely to force their choices on other people. In fact, I seriously suggest that is EXACTLY what secular non-religious politicians have and ARE doing.
As to your ridiculous comment "still trying to get prayer back in public schools, which is and always has been unconstitutional". RIDICULOUS! Schools were NEVER part of the 'government' until the Federal government liberals decided to intervene and take control. Schools were, at the founding of the country, and should still be so today, a LOCAL cooperative program to help people educate their children. The Federal government (and arguably the State government) should have nothing to do with what a school teaches. That should be up to the local communities. And your comments about creationism vs evolution simply show your utter ignorance about both. I am a Christian, but I am also well educated in science, and I am telling YOU that the creation theory has every bit as much scientific and historical backing as the theory of evolution, as well as the fact that evolution requires every bit as much faith as the belief in creation.
Arguably, a completely objective and non-biased teacher would refuse to teach EITHER idea in school because all the facts are not yet in evidence, and we CAN NOT EMPIRICALLY PROVE either one over the other.
WAY too many of your deeply held beliefs are apparently based on ignorance of history, science, religion, and especially of the Constitution.
J Anthony wrote:
When it comes to Biden or Trump, it's a lose/lose situation. I hold both parties and their current figureheads in equal contempt, and am surprised that more people don't agree. But so many are still reactionary; liberals i talk to think I'm for Trump if I criticize Biden, and conservatives assume I'm for Biden if I criticize Trump. The narrow partisan horse-race mentality still has too many people in it's grip. It ought to be clear by now these parties have been more of an obstacle than anything else and have utterly sold out to their biggest donors and corporate lobbyists long ago. Everything you accuse Democrat voters of doing is true, and Republican voters just mirror the same ignorant behavior most of the time.
As far as having a reasonable discussion on how to sustain and strengthen the couple of programs that conservatives, liberals, righties, and lefties alike can agree are worth keeping, they have failed at that too. What is it keeping them from working together in an honorable way on this, or anything, for that matter? Except when it comes to feeding the war machine, of course. They're pretty much in lock-step when it comes to that. I don't know, but pointing fingers and tit-for-tat is hypocritical at best. They have become flip-sides of the same coin, projecting onto eachother the same crap they both do. It's a theater of the absurd.
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You have some valid points, there. The very short answer is because both parties are focused on gaining and maintaining power above right and wrong or what is best for America and Americans.
I submit that the Democrats are far worse than the right, though, and I have a long list of examples to support that conviction.
I am CONSERVATIVE.....not Republican.
RandyBrian wrote:
Two quick answers:
Your statement is meaningless, and does not apply. The Constitution and the laws of the land ARE Christian based because they were TAKEN from the Bible and Christian beliefs when they were written. The Founding fathers were NOT trying to create a secular society....almost all of them were openly and faithfully Christian in belief and in practice. The first Amendment was NOT written to create a "separation of Church and State". That is something that was invented later by liberals to justify their own desires.
The First Amendment was written to PREVENT government from establishing or supporting one specific CHURCH over others. I firmly support that.
Your 'concerns' about Christian politicians is equally wrong. As a Christian, I would be elected to administer the laws of the land, not to force my beliefs on others. I (and you) should be much MORE concerned about NON-Christians being elected who do not believe in right or wrong, and would be much MORE likely to force their choices on other people. In fact, I seriously suggest that is EXACTLY what secular non-religious politicians have and ARE doing.
As to your ridiculous comment "still trying to get prayer back in public schools, which is and always has been unconstitutional". RIDICULOUS! Schools were NEVER part of the 'government' until the Federal government liberals decided to intervene and take control. Schools were, at the founding of the country, and should still be so today, a LOCAL cooperative program to help people educate their children. The Federal government (and arguably the State government) should have nothing to do with what a school teaches. That should be up to the local communities. And your comments about creationism vs evolution simply show your utter ignorance about both. I am a Christian, but I am also well educated in science, and I am telling YOU that the creation theory has every bit as much scientific and historical backing as the theory of evolution, as well as the fact that evolution requires every bit as much faith as the belief in creation.
Arguably, a completely objective and non-biased teacher would refuse to teach EITHER idea in school because all the facts are not yet in evidence, and we CAN NOT EMPIRICALLY PROVE either one over the other.
WAY too many of your deeply held beliefs are apparently based on ignorance of history, science, religion, and especially of the Constitution.
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Very good Randy. One of the new issues a Christian President is faced with today, that I'm confident the Founders never thought possible, is that in our age a president is expected to sign into Law issues that compromise his faith. How can he do that? We observe a president today who willingly compromises his faith, has just as easily compromised his nation and her people too.
padremike wrote:
Very good Randy. One of the new issues a Christian President is faced with today, that I'm confident the Founders never thought possible, is that in our age a president is expected to sign into Law issues that compromise his faith. How can he do that? We observe a president today who willingly compromises his faith, has just as easily compromised his nation and her people too.
All too right, and all to frightening. It astounds me when our liberal friends claim to fear 'Trump WANTS to become a dictator'. while ignoring the unConstitutional and authoritarian actions of Biden.
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The purpose of education, for the past 40 years, is to provide good paying secure jobs-for-life…
For the past 40 years they have not been teaching any vocational skills to students that would give them good paying jobs after high school as they abandoned teaching vocational skills over being gay and how to steal to get ahead and go to college to learn how to make government quadruple and then some in size and become burdens on the taxpayers but don’t worry we will elect a president by any means necessary so he can try and force the supreme courts to abolish all ur college education loans and if he can’t force he will just circumvent the supreme courts as he will let 20+ million illegals enter our country and give them the right to vote only democratic and we will give you free everything and never even get charged with a crime even if ur a notorious serial killer!!!
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