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Dec 19, 2023 10:35:27   #
Haski123
 
microphor wrote:
That wasn't my point at all. My point was that Democrats don't "for the most part" charge and convict other Democrats and if they do get charged, Democrat do whatever they have to avoid these people being prosecuted to the extent of the law. Maybe a fine, slap on the hand, move them to other positions. By the way, when the left was screaming "Russian Collusion, Russian Collusion" were you one of the conspiracy hacks who was buying in on that "delusion" or were you telling your peers that they should wait till he's convicted before they call him a traitor, or how about "what laptop" even after the store owner had revealed he turned it over, 51 lefty agents signed a dishonest letter to mislead voters 15 days before the election, claiming that material from Hunter Biden’s laptop published by the New York Post “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” Are those people in jail or prison for suppressing evidence in possible crime?
That wasn't my point at all. My point was that De... (show quote)

I’ve always taken the position of innocent until proven guilty, the court system and congressional processes are different. Courts tend to be non political, congress today tends to vote on party lines seems republicans do more” primaries against those that vote against party lines and change support more than democrats today. Used to be able to vote right from wrong, truth over conspiracy theory and reach compromise, but not today. A number have democrats have been ousted ( Al Franken comes to mind) for much less than what a number of republicans are doing today( George Santos is only recent one I recall for Republicans).
What about the DOJ release of Hilliary email issue just before 2016 election( May have been what swung vote to Trump). It seems to happen st every election, you call it supressing evidence, but there is an unwritten policy that DOJ won’t make major announce to that could effect elections. Sure wasn’t followed with Hillary e mail incident release.
Good discussion Thanks for sharing.

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Dec 19, 2023 18:14:35   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Haski123 wrote:
I’ve always taken the position of innocent until proven guilty, the court system and congressional processes are different. Courts tend to be non political, congress today tends to vote on party lines seems republicans do more” primaries against those that vote against party lines and change support more than democrats today. Used to be able to vote right from wrong, truth over conspiracy theory and reach compromise, but not today. A number have democrats have been ousted ( Al Franken comes to mind) for much less than what a number of republicans are doing today( George Santos is only recent one I recall for Republicans).
What about the DOJ release of Hilliary email issue just before 2016 election( May have been what swung vote to Trump). It seems to happen st every election, you call it supressing evidence, but there is an unwritten policy that DOJ won’t make major announce to that could effect elections. Sure wasn’t followed with Hillary e mail incident release.
Good discussion Thanks for sharing.
I’ve always taken the position of innocent until p... (show quote)


Actually, the FBI cleared Hillary of her email. "Ossues" 2 weeks before the election. I wouldn't say that would look Bad for her. That would actually look good for her, why don't you look it up

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Dec 19, 2023 18:46:52   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
microphor wrote:
Actually, the FBI cleared Hillary of her email. "Ossues" 2 weeks before the election. I wouldn't say that would look Bad for her. That would actually look good for her, why don't you look it up


And they committed a crime against the people by doing that!

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Dec 19, 2023 19:04:02   #
facts matter
 
EmilyD wrote:
YOU read it!!!

The Presidential Records Act of 1978 ""- Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA."

It also says this:

"Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years."

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

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YOU read it!!! br br The Presidential Records Act... (show quote)


Once again, an incumbent President means the President in office. Once out of office the documents are no longer his. Access is not possession. He can view them, not take them home!

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Dec 19, 2023 20:40:38   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
facts matter wrote:
Once again, an incumbent President means the President in office. Once out of office the documents are no longer his. Access is not possession. He can view them, not take them home!


And if he declassified them?

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Dec 20, 2023 00:31:46   #
Haski123
 
microphor wrote:
Actually, the FBI cleared Hillary of her email. "Ossues" 2 weeks before the election. I wouldn't say that would look Bad for her. That would actually look good for her, why don't you look it up


Here is what Wikipedia reported: doesn’t match your findings.

The controversy was a major point of discussion and contention during the 2016 presidential election, in which Clinton was the Democratic nominee. In May, the State Department's Office of the Inspector General released a report about the State Department's email practices, including Clinton's. In July, FBI director James Comeyannounced that the FBI investigation had concluded that Clinton had been "extremely careless" but recommended that no charges be filed because Clinton did not act with criminal intent, the historical standard for pursuing prosecution.[7]

On October 28, 2016, eleven days before the election, Comey notified Congress that the FBI had started looking into newly discovered emails. On November 6, Comey notified Congress that the FBI had not changed its conclusion.[8] Comey's timing was contentious, with critics saying that he had violated Department of Justice guidelines and precedent, and prejudiced the public against Clinton.[9] The controversy received more media coverage than any other topic during the presidential campaign.[10][11][12]Clinton and other observers argue that the reopening of the investigation contributed to her loss in the election.

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Dec 20, 2023 11:06:03   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
And they committed a crime against the people by doing that!


I agree.

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Dec 20, 2023 11:14:10   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
facts matter wrote:
Once again, an incumbent President means the President in office. Once out of office the documents are no longer his. Access is not possession. He can view them, not take them home!


Trump was still President till Biden was sworn in and who are you to interpret the law? "President Donald Trump arrived in Florida just before 11 a.m. on Wednesday, with an hour left in his presidency, as he opted to skip the swearing in for Biden." Constitutionally Biden became President at noon.

On another note, when Biden as a SENATOR "took home" docs that he kept for "YEARS" undeclared by the way, which means he stole them in my opinion. Why don't you want that Senator arrested and charged. Oh he gave them back after "YEARS" of possessing them, so that makes his theft ok. It's ok to steal as long as when you get caught you give it back. The fact that he as a Senator "in your interpretation of the law" shouldn't have had them at home to begin with, is besides the point. Is it only theft if Trump, the President at the time of his taking them has them, or does your logic apply to everyone regardless of who, when and how? Hypocrite!

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Dec 20, 2023 13:16:00   #
Haski123
 
microphor wrote:
Trump was still President till Biden was sworn in and who are you to interpret the law? "President Donald Trump arrived in Florida just before 11 a.m. on Wednesday, with an hour left in his presidency, as he opted to skip the swearing in for Biden." Constitutionally Biden became President at noon.

On another note, when Biden as a SENATOR "took home" docs that he kept for "YEARS" undeclared by the way, which means he stole them in my opinion. Why don't you want that Senator arrested and charged. Oh he gave them back after "YEARS" of possessing them, so that makes his theft ok. It's ok to steal as long as when you get caught you give it back. The fact that he as a Senator "in your interpretation of the law" shouldn't have had them at home to begin with, is besides the point. Is it only theft if Trump, the President at the time of his taking them has them, or does your logic apply to everyone regardless of who, when and how? Hypocrite!
Trump was still President till Biden was sworn in ... (show quote)


More immoral name calling and judging. First of all I never said Biden and/or Pence should not be investigated and/or charged for improper handling of sensitive information.. The fact when Biden/Pence found them they didn’t try to hide them or the fact they had them and cooperated fully. They were not known, not bragged about, not shared and/or given to others. We’re not subpoenaed for them either- no need cooperated.
I’m not a lawyer, I look at the facts and shared evidence and while I’m entitled to my opinion, I don’t judge, that’s what the court system is for. They don’t get it right all the time but do most of the time.

So your point on transition from Trump to Biden?

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Dec 20, 2023 21:02:48   #
facts matter
 
padremike wrote:
And if he declassified them?


If he declassified them, there would be a record. There isn't, so they are not declassified. trump's assertion that all he has to do is think about declassifying documents and POOF they're declassified, is as is as false as his rigged election lie. There is a process for declassifying documents, and that process differs, depending on which agency generated the documents. If the papers were declassified, there would be a paper trail.

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Dec 20, 2023 22:15:24   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
facts matter wrote:
If he declassified them, there would be a record. There isn't, so they are not declassified. trump's assertion that all he has to do is think about declassifying documents and POOF they're declassified, is as is as false as his rigged election lie. There is a process for declassifying documents, and that process differs, depending on which agency generated the documents. If the papers were declassified, there would be a paper trail.


Do you know what you’re talking about or are you just making it up?

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Dec 21, 2023 00:18:10   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Haski123 wrote:
More immoral name calling and judging. First of all I never said Biden and/or Pence should not be investigated and/or charged for improper handling of sensitive information.. The fact when Biden/Pence found them they didn’t try to hide them or the fact they had them and cooperated fully. They were not known, not bragged about, not shared and/or given to others. We’re not subpoenaed for them either- no need cooperated.
I’m not a lawyer, I look at the facts and shared evidence and while I’m entitled to my opinion, I don’t judge, that’s what the court system is for. They don’t get it right all the time but do most of the time.

So your point on transition from Trump to Biden?
More immoral name calling and judging. First of al... (show quote)


How do you know what Biden did with the docs all those years, he for sure didn't keep them in a secure location. And anybody going to the 4 locations he had them could have had zxxess, you don't know. You just want to minimized end justify him having them.

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Dec 21, 2023 00:44:31   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
microphor wrote:
How do you know what Biden did with the docs all those years, he for sure didn't keep them in a secure location. And anybody going to the 4 locations he had them could have had zxxess, you don't know. You just want to minimized end justify him having them.


I believe that he sold them piecemeal to the Chinese and Russian governments!

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Dec 21, 2023 01:14:34   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
microphor wrote:
How do you know what Biden did with the docs all those years, he for sure didn't keep them in a secure location. And anybody going to the 4 locations he had them could have had zxxess, you don't know. You just want to minimized end justify him having them.


Yup. And no one knows how many Biden stole or what he did with them. They knew what Trump had and where he kept them. It's also funny that when they put all Trump's classified docs together they fit into one legal box with plenty of room to spare. The media made it seem like there were stacks of documents scattered all over Mara-lago.

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Dec 21, 2023 08:03:42   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Haski123 wrote:
More immoral name calling and judging. First of all I never said Biden and/or Pence should not be investigated and/or charged for improper handling of sensitive information.. The fact when Biden/Pence found them they didn’t try to hide them or the fact they had them and cooperated fully. They were not known, not bragged about, not shared and/or given to others. We’re not subpoenaed for them either- no need cooperated.
I’m not a lawyer, I look at the facts and shared evidence and while I’m entitled to my opinion, I don’t judge, that’s what the court system is for. They don’t get it right all the time but do most of the time.

So your point on transition from Trump to Biden?
More immoral name calling and judging. First of al... (show quote)


""So your point on transition from Trump to Biden?"""
Trump was the President when he took the the files believing he had a right to! He didn't sneak them out of the SKIF and spread them over 4 un-secure locations. I guess there would be a paper trail if Joe had permission to take them to his garage for years, but that paper hasn't been seen yet. He could get in touch with those Dossier forgers-maybe they could help him out with some paperwork.

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