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Dec 17, 2023 15:34:17   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
After three years there is absolutely no evidence that the 2020 election was stolen, no proof that there was any fraud and no proof of any irregularities that would have changed the 2020 election results.

Just like Covid was not Trumps fault, inflation was not caused by Biden.
That said other than inflation which is trending down what is miserable in this country that is directly affecting you?

Trump Convicted of crimes three times so far, with 91 indictments pending is not the only one who can sustain our democratic republic .(Trumps corruption has been legally exposed-none for Joe Biden yet)
Other than inflation all other economic indicators under Biden are better than Trump. For three years under Biden USA has had no wars, similar to Trump, with one year to go to equate to Trump.
Trumps term in office and his accomplishments got him a 41 of 45 presidential ranking by historians.

So I hear you but agree to disagree with your non factual supported opinion.
After three years there is absolutely no evidence ... (show quote)

Other than inflation what is bringing us down?????

How many things does inflation impact???

Just about everything is the answer! Food, mortgages/rent, utilities.....our wallets!

People are becoming a one-car family because the price of cars, gasoline, maintenance, insurance have all pretty much doubled. NONE of those prices have come down.

Real estate brokers are quitting their jobs and finding other employment because they can's sell houses...no one is either buying or selling right now unless it is an emergency. None of those rates have come down...if anything, they are still going up.

Interest rates in banking institutions have plummeted, so any interest income you may have had has pretty much dried up. Dividend rates are a joke - it's not even worth putting your money in an investment that is going to hold it up from access that people might need in these troubled financial times.

Investments, 401(k) and other types of retirement plans have dwindled down to almost nothing being contributed by employers. Working class people who have retirement savings funds invested in their futures have had to use those to live on now because they can't make it on the paychecks they earn anymore.

Credit card debt has reached records highs. People are late on payments, or unable to meet the payment requirements and are getting more and more in debt. People who can't find jobs, or had to accept jobs with less pay (sometimes even half of what they made pre-pandemic) are living off their credit cards!

Jobs: The COVID-19 pandemic and the resulting lockdown caused 114 million people to lose their jobs over 2020 alone! People who had to quit during the pandemic because of the mandates, have not been able to find work with salaries that are comparable to their pre-pandemic salaries. 99.9% of all businesses in the U.S. qualify as small businesses. 60% of Americans worked for small businesses before the Covid hoax. Do you know how many small businesses had to close permanently due to the Covid hoax? THIRTY-FOUR PERCENT!!! That's a lot of people who lost their jobs who had to find something else to do to make enough income to live on!

That's all I can think of at the moment, but there is a LOT more that inflation had impacted than what I have put down here.

Trump can handle all of these problems...and more! At this point in time, there is no one else that has the ability to do that...and he is our best bet. He is not perfect, but he is GOOD at what he does professionally, and that is what we need. Who gives a flying fig if he had affairs or whatever personal baggage he has. What he can do - what he has already done for us - WHAT HE HAS ALREADY SHOWN US FIRST HAND - is that he is able to help us out with this. The fact that he is even willing to do that after all you 'Rats have put him through is extraordinary!!! We should humbly accept the fact that he even wants to try to help us at all!

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Dec 17, 2023 16:39:38   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
Presidents have the right to take classified documents that were used during their administrations. What is not allowed is for a VICE President to do that. I don't know why you don't understand that.

The stock market and infrastructure isn't what most Americans are concerned about right now - having food, clothing and being able to pay the bills is...and fake indictments and convictions mean nothing to the ones who have their eyes open and can see what is happening to them...things that are directly related to Biden....and ONLY Biden.... are making our lives a day-to-day struggle.

60% of Americans work for small businesses. And those small businesses were hit the hardest during the Covid hoax...hundreds of thousands of them closed their doors permanently! Farmers are paying higher interest rates on loans. Credit card debt is soaring and most Middle Class people can't live without adding significantly to their debt. People are paying higher rates for cars and homes. And if they can't afford a mortgage on a house, they can't afford the rent payments, either! A one-bedroom apartment goes for $1400/month now....studio's not much less. The day-to-day workers, the middle class people, very clearly know that things are not anywhere near as good they were during pre-pandemic times...the years when Trump was president.

Things are not "better"... you are lying to yourself if you keep saying it.
Presidents have the right to take classified docum... (show quote)


Omg Emily Habba!

You're not very well versed in anything, let alone the law.

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Dec 17, 2023 16:40:37   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
facts matter wrote:
Once he was out of office the ownership of the documents reverts to the government. HE WAS NO LONGER THE INCUMBENT! Read the dam PRA


Read? Lol, surely you jest.

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Dec 17, 2023 17:16:01   #
EmilyD
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Omg Emily Habba!

You're not very well versed in anything, let alone the law.

Do you have anything constructive to say? Or is that the extent of your ability to respond intelligently? I suspect you have no idea what you are talking about, but I really don't care one way or the other.

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Dec 17, 2023 17:26:22   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
Do you have anything constructive to say? Or is that the extent of your ability to respond intelligently? I suspect you have no idea what you are talking about, but I really don't care one way or the other.

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Well, ms habba, I suspect you have no idea what you're talking about either. And neither do I care.

But your arguments are so stupid that they're funny.

I can't help it

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Dec 17, 2023 17:37:58   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Well, ms habba, I suspect you have no idea what you're talking about either. And neither do I care.

But your arguments are so stupid that they're funny.

I can't help it


It's funny how you add on to a stupid argument. I Am also i just couldn't help it .......

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Dec 17, 2023 17:46:53   #
EmilyD
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Well, ms habba, I suspect you have no idea what you're talking about either. And neither do I care.

But your arguments are so stupid that they're funny.

I can't help it

Yup, just about what to expect from you - all you have to offer is fluff and hot air.

That "hot air" isn't the kind that comes out of your mouth, either...

...

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Dec 17, 2023 18:05:20   #
EmilyD
 
XXX wrote:
It's funny how you add on to a stupid argument. I Am also i just couldn't help it .......


He won't tell me WHY he thinks my arguments are stupid and funny, though. All he ever does is call people names....never anything of substance to say about anything.

At least Haski is willing to put his/her thoughts and ideas out there!

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Dec 17, 2023 19:09:17   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Other than inflation what is bringing us down?????

How many things does inflation impact???

Just about everything is the answer! Food, mortgages/rent, utilities.....our wallets!

People are becoming a one-car family because the price of cars, gasoline, maintenance, insurance have all pretty much doubled. NONE of those prices have come down.

Your last sentence is totally incorrect:
Here’s year end inflation rate in USA( which is significantly lower than WW inflation rates over last four years)- Source statistic
2017-2.1, 2018-2.4, 2019-1.8, 2020-1.2. (2016 was 1.3)
2021-4.7, 2022-8.0, Nov 2023- 3.1. 2020 was 1.2)
Fed Target 2%

Inflation and prices of many of the items you reference as not going down have, especially gas has gone down significantly . Your statement that None have gone down is an inaccurate statement.

Insurance has gone up mostly due to significant amount of claims due to natural disasters (floods, tornadoes, fires, hail, hurricanes, etc) that have hit many areas of USA. Insurance has definitely gone up.

I have been unable to find any items that doubled other than interest rate (2001-3.5 to urgent-8.5) which the Fed raised to reduce inflation. Fed has held interest rate as inflation is coming down slowly as needed, stock market and employment have peaked, unemployment low. May start lowering inflation in 2024 depending on economy.



Real estate brokers are quitting their jobs and finding other employment because they can's sell houses...no one is either buying or selling right now unless it is an emergency. None of those rates have come down...if anything, they are still going up.
At this point interest rates have been stable for months- Fed currently plans to hold and consider reducing in 2024 if inflation reduces and employment remains stable.
They are not “ if anything-increasing” as you state. Inaccurate statement.

Home sales dropped to ~4.0 M annual rate during Covid to mid 2020, Fed dropped prime during Covid to support unemployment and recovery. Steep increase in home sales to 6.0-6.5 M annual rate, highest in past ten years(5.0 to 5.5 M annual rate is the norm) from mid 2020 to Jan 2022. ( recover from Covid and projected Fed actions to increase prime rate)
Currently at ~ 4.0M annual rate lowest in ten years due to increase in home values, increase in interest rates and the 1 1/2 year buying rush.( source Trading Economics
So due to home sales boom and factors above in mid 2020 til Jan 2022, the current market has tanked as you stated ~ 1M home sale a year from norm (—5.0-5.5 to 4.0, minus +20%)


Interest rates in banking institutions have plummeted, so any interest income you may have had has pretty much dried up. Dividend rates are a joke - it's not even worth putting your money in an investment that is going to hold it up from access that people might need in these troubled financial times.

Stock market has been strong in 2023 and hit an all time high last month. Investment income is strong. Company revenues are growing and unless they are making stock buybacks dividends should be increasing. Investments in stock market( major investment method) are growing. Dividend.com indicates most companies are keeping dividends stable or increasing them while only a few are reducing.
Not sure where you are getting your information that “dividend rates are a joke”, the data I found indicates your statement is inaccurate.

Investments, 401(k) and other types of retirement plans have dwindled down to almost nothing being contributed by employers. Working class people who have retirement savings funds invested in their futures have had to use those to live on now because they can't make it on the paychecks they earn anymore.

My 401 K is still running at plus 10%14% per year return( very good return), recovering from 2021/22 ~3% total two year decrease.

Credit card debt has reached records highs. People are late on payments, or unable to meet the payment requirements and are getting more and more in debt. People who can't find jobs, or had to accept jobs with less pay (sometimes even half of what they made pre-pandemic) are living off their credit cards!

I hear you on credit card debt increasing, people on fixed or limited income are using more credit for purchases due to inflationary pressures.

The number of people not able to find jobs is very low- there are tons of unfilled jobs. Regarding people accepting jobs with lower pay sometimes half of what they made pre-pandemic is true. Key word is sometimes- not very often but sometimes, many skilled jobs are unfillsble due to competition for skills and pay in these areas are higher.

Jobs: The COVID-19 pandemic and the resulting lockdown caused 114 million people to lose their jobs over 2020 alone! People who had to quit during the pandemic because of the mandates, have not been able to find work with salaries that are comparable to their pre-pandemic salaries. 99.9% of all businesses in the U.S. qualify as small businesses. 60% of Americans worked for small businesses before the Covid hoax. Do you know how many small businesses had to close permanently due to the Covid hoax? THIRTY-FOUR PERCENT!!! That's a lot of people who lost their jobs who had to find something else to do to make enough income to live on!

Harvard Business school study and surveys of over 5800 small businesses found that 41% had TEMPORARY Closures and 1.8% permanently closed. Government programs were available to assist businesses and employees affected. While it was not same as salaries, some relief was available. Job market has fully recovered and this year and part of last year employment has peaked beyond pre pandemic levels( chart wouldn’t copy or I would have added it)


That's all I can think of at the moment, but there is a LOT more that inflation had impacted than what I have put down here.

Trump can handle all of these problems...and more! At this point in time, there is no one else that has the ability to do that...and he is our best bet. He is not perfect, but he is GOOD at what he does professionally, and that is what we need. Who gives a flying fig if he had affairs or whatever personal baggage he has. What he can do - what he has already done for us - WHAT HE HAS ALREADY SHOWN US FIRST HAND - is that he is able to help us out with this. The fact that he is even willing to do that after all you 'Rats have put him through is extraordinary!!! We should humbly accept the fact that he even wants to try to help us at all!
Other than inflation what is bringing us down?????... (show quote)


Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not accept seriousness, delayed actions, did band-aide fixes, did not listen to his experts probing China sources. He was told in Feb 2020 by key staff (Pottinger/O’Brien) that Covid would be his biggest challenge and biggest threat to his electability in Nov. It would be more serious than SARS and more along the lines of 1918 Spanish flu where 675,000 US Citizens died. They were correct Covid deaths were worse.( Reference: Bob Woodward taped interviews with Trump, Pottinger & O’Brien.)
Trump did not mobilize all resources at the time, told people we have it under control and it will go away. Took him months and increased deaths to recover supply of ventilators and face masks(which he did not fully embrace). His ban on inbound to USA was to little to late with a non symptom spreadable disease-band-aide.
This is the guy that can fix it. I wouldn’t bet on that horse.

Trump was put through all this by himself and his unethical and some illegal misdeeds he did. He is the “rat” whose actions are now catching up to him.
If you say it’s ethically ok to have affairs and personal baggage( three convictions - 2 for fraud and one for defamation and sexual abuse) not to mention 91 open indictments and pending civil suits. Over 1000 of his supporters indicted and hundreds of them convicted for J6, his lawyer just penalized $148m for doing Trumps bidding and defaming two election workers.

Your bar is way to low for President of United States candidate.

I have put facts and sources to my facts for your emotional post, and pointed out the many inaccuracies of your post. Some things were accurate many were not.

It clear Trump is your champion, can do no wrong and that is your choice. I chose to agree to disagree with you.

Thanks for sharing.
NOTE: I tried to respond to each of your statements directly below your statements where feasible.

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Dec 17, 2023 19:31:24   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not accept seriousness, delayed actions, did band-aide fixes, did not listen to his experts probing China sources. He was told in Feb 2020 by key staff (Pottinger/O’Brien) that Covid would be his biggest challenge and biggest threat to his electability in Nov. It would be more serious than SARS and more along the lines of 1918 Spanish flu where 675,000 US Citizens died. They were correct Covid deaths were worse.( Reference: Bob Woodward taped interviews with Trump, Pottinger & O’Brien.)
Trump did not mobilize all resources at the time, told people we have it under control and it will go away. Took him months and increased deaths to recover supply of ventilators and face masks(which he did not fully embrace). His ban on inbound to USA was to little to late with a non symptom spreadable disease-band-aide.
This is the guy that can fix it. I wouldn’t bet on that horse.

Trump was put through all this by himself and his unethical and some illegal misdeeds he did. He is the “rat” whose actions are now catching up to him.
If you say it’s ethically ok to have affairs and personal baggage( three convictions - 2 for fraud and one for defamation and sexual abuse) not to mention 91 open indictments and pending civil suits. Over 1000 of his supporters indicted and hundreds of them convicted for J6, his lawyer just penalized $148m for doing Trumps bidding and defaming two election workers.

Your bar is way to low for President of United States candidate.

I have put facts and sources to my facts for your emotional post, and pointed out the many inaccuracies of your post. Some things were accurate many were not.

It clear Trump is your champion, can do no wrong and that is your choice. I chose to agree to disagree with you.

Thanks for sharing.
NOTE: I tried to respond to each of your statements directly below your statements where feasible.
Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not acce... (show quote)


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/29/steve-bannon/did-fauci-tell-us-not-worry-about-coronavirus/

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Dec 17, 2023 19:32:56   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Haski123 wrote:
Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not accept seriousness, delayed actions, did band-aide fixes, did not listen to his experts probing China sources. He was told in Feb 2020 by key staff (Pottinger/O’Brien) that Covid would be his biggest challenge and biggest threat to his electability in Nov. It would be more serious than SARS and more along the lines of 1918 Spanish flu where 675,000 US Citizens died. They were correct Covid deaths were worse.( Reference: Bob Woodward taped interviews with Trump, Pottinger & O’Brien.)
Trump did not mobilize all resources at the time, told people we have it under control and it will go away. Took him months and increased deaths to recover supply of ventilators and face masks(which he did not fully embrace). His ban on inbound to USA was to little to late with a non symptom spreadable disease-band-aide.
This is the guy that can fix it. I wouldn’t bet on that horse.

Trump was put through all this by himself and his unethical and some illegal misdeeds he did. He is the “rat” whose actions are now catching up to him.
If you say it’s ethically ok to have affairs and personal baggage( three convictions - 2 for fraud and one for defamation and sexual abuse) not to mention 91 open indictments and pending civil suits. Over 1000 of his supporters indicted and hundreds of them convicted for J6, his lawyer just penalized $148m for doing Trumps bidding and defaming two election workers.

Your bar is way to low for President of United States candidate.

I have put facts and sources to my facts for your emotional post, and pointed out the many inaccuracies of your post. Some things were accurate many were not.

It clear Trump is your champion, can do no wrong and that is your choice. I chose to agree to disagree with you.

Thanks for sharing.
NOTE: I tried to respond to each of your statements directly below your statements where feasible.
Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not acce... (show quote)


If Trump had done nothing to fight COVID, a lot of people would still be alive!
Biggest hoax ever!

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Dec 17, 2023 19:53:45   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/29/steve-bannon/did-fauci-tell-us-not-worry-about-coronavirus/


Your point?
1) Fauci indicated his position could change and it did in Feb.
2) 2 of Trumps advisers(Pottinget/OBrian are recorded by Bob Woodward telling Trump Covid will be the most serious threat to his Presidency ( worse than SARs & more on par with 1018Spanish Flu where 675,000 US citizens died). Trump took no additional immediate action.
3. Trump recorded interview with Bob Woodward indicated he knew how serious it was but didn’t want to upset the citizens ( so he lied-said we got it under control and it will just go away.

If your intent is not to blame Trump, in another tabled interview he indicated he has a great understanding of things and even if given advice his acute understanding allows him to make his own decisions. ( he only deflect to others when he is wrong or things go badly.
He also takes credit for everything good that happens during his administration whether he had impact or not.
Example of deflecting bad: “ I take no responsibility for Covid”
Pretty weak statement by President of USA responsible to keep all his citizens
Safe.

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Dec 17, 2023 20:38:08   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not accept seriousness, delayed actions, did band-aide fixes, did not listen to his experts probing China sources. He was told in Feb 2020 by key staff (Pottinger/O’Brien) that Covid would be his biggest challenge and biggest threat to his electability in Nov. It would be more serious than SARS and more along the lines of 1918 Spanish flu where 675,000 US Citizens died. They were correct Covid deaths were worse.( Reference: Bob Woodward taped interviews with Trump, Pottinger & O’Brien.)
Trump did not mobilize all resources at the time, told people we have it under control and it will go away. Took him months and increased deaths to recover supply of ventilators and face masks(which he did not fully embrace). His ban on inbound to USA was to little to late with a non symptom spreadable disease-band-aide.
This is the guy that can fix it. I wouldn’t bet on that horse.

Trump was put through all this by himself and his unethical and some illegal misdeeds he did. He is the “rat” whose actions are now catching up to him.
If you say it’s ethically ok to have affairs and personal baggage( three convictions - 2 for fraud and one for defamation and sexual abuse) not to mention 91 open indictments and pending civil suits. Over 1000 of his supporters indicted and hundreds of them convicted for J6, his lawyer just penalized $148m for doing Trumps bidding and defaming two election workers.

Your bar is way to low for President of United States candidate.

I have put facts and sources to my facts for your emotional post, and pointed out the many inaccuracies of your post. Some things were accurate many were not.

It clear Trump is your champion, can do no wrong and that is your choice. I chose to agree to disagree with you.

Thanks for sharing.
NOTE: I tried to respond to each of your statements directly below your statements where feasible.
Trump handled the Covid issue poorly, did not acce... (show quote)


Your opinion is noted. I've already expressed mine way beyond the norm....good luck with yours. 🙂

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Dec 17, 2023 21:14:31   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
Your point?
1) Fauci indicated his position could change and it did in Feb.
2) 2 of Trumps advisers(Pottinget/OBrian are recorded by Bob Woodward telling Trump Covid will be the most serious threat to his Presidency ( worse than SARs & more on par with 1018Spanish Flu where 675,000 US citizens died). Trump took no additional immediate action.
3. Trump recorded interview with Bob Woodward indicated he knew how serious it was but didn’t want to upset the citizens ( so he lied-said we got it under control and it will just go away.

If your intent is not to blame Trump, in another tabled interview he indicated he has a great understanding of things and even if given advice his acute understanding allows him to make his own decisions. ( he only deflect to others when he is wrong or things go badly.
He also takes credit for everything good that happens during his administration whether he had impact or not.
Example of deflecting bad: “ I take no responsibility for Covid”
Pretty weak statement by President of USA responsible to keep all his citizens
Safe.
Your point? br 1) Fauci indicated his position cou... (show quote)


Fauci told Trump "no worries" at the END of January, Feb followed immediately. Are you so stupid not to understand that covid was so new no one knew exactly what to do and Fauci, not Trump, created most of the confusion while Trump expedited a vaccine, no one else could have accomplished in such a short time, and Biden took credit for it. More Americans died of covid under Biden than Trump but you already knew that huh?. The harm Biden did along with other Democrat governors on the unconstitutional confinement of citizens, especially school children who were the least affected by the disease, set us back years and gave the Fed new powers not passed by Congress. You morons blame Trump 100% for Covid and excuse China in the process. Any excuse to blame Trump gets drool running down your double chin.

Truth be told the vaccine Trump expedited did not follow required protocol and lacked the necessary clinical trials. Yet even when numerous major concerns began to emerge Biden enforced mandatory vaccinations for Feds and this had a ripple down effect into other venues, even to sports. You got used to Government dictating what you must do yet believe Trump will be a dictator. You birds are so schizophrenic. You're also dumber than a box of rocks, certainty unfit to govern.

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Dec 17, 2023 21:49:47   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Your opinion is noted. I've already expressed mine way beyond the norm....good luck with yours. 🙂


My opinion is supported with accurate facts. We agree to disagree good luck with yours.

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