eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Even Hunter is focusing on his dad saying slo joe is completely innocent and knew nothing about Hunters felonies. If Hunter is focusing on his dad, why can't we focus on both crackhead Hunter's lying statements and slo Joe's lying comments?."

I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
But Democrts?

Justice101

Biden's European Union friends gave him cover and asserted that the Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin failed in rooting out corruption and was fired. Doubtful. The internet contains left-leaning fact checkers and media sources that try to make Biden look innocent after the YouTube video came out with him bragging about his quid pro quo bribery with Ukrainian President Poroshenko.

Haski123

There is a big difference between News and opinion pieces. Opinion pieces tend to be highly skewed based on political leanings. The piece I referenced was stated as an onion ion piece. Not a “news story”.
Not sure which the Biden laptop was but sounds like a “ breaking news story” at the time.

I did not take a position on Biden laptop, I did not say whether I believed it or not. You are making an assumption that is inaccurate and in indicating that because it’s right wing media.

Big distinction between news report and news editorial and which is factual and which has biased leanings the two are not the same.

Hydro

The Hunter laptop has been accredited as real - Hunter sued the repair facility for releasing information that was on it in reference to Burisma- it was reported thru the FBI to social media Twitter and fake news that it was misinformation and have recently been called out for their interference with lying about it

Haski123

Sounds like you have more solid information than DOJ and/or Senate Ethics Committee that just started formal congressional investigation.

You keep saying And a agree: Trump is innocent until proven guilty, shouldn’t that apply to Joe Biden as well.

You already state Joe Biden is guilty, he and his family is corrupt. Yet the guy Trump who with THREE CONVICTIONS (Trump University’s- fraud, defamation and sexual abuse- Jean Carroll, NY summary Fraud Judgement), 91 indictments- still deemed innocent on these, numerous civil suits vs Joe Biden with No Convictions is guilty.
You can’t have it both ways.

I’m also getting feedback that the courts (juries, judges that were previously deemed non political and provided solid fact based judgements based on evidence and law) are now political, corrupt and convictions/ lost or not pursued appeals make court system non functional because they have found Trump guilty and are even prosecuting him at all.

DOJ/FBI are weaponized, court system is corrupt, voting systems are fraudulent, all MSM is “ fake news, pedophile ring in basement of pizza joint run by democrats( pizza joint referenced doesn’t even have a basement) are all conspiracy theories propagated since Trump came on the political scene by Trump and/or his supporters with no definitive proof. ( Rudi just got hit with $148m conviction settlement for defaming election workers).

What’s changed? Four years of Trump- he tried to weaponize DOJ and FBI and Military- Trumps now & after losing election Trump is projecting his actions to weaponize DOJ/FBI onto Biden Administration, Same with voter fraud had four years to secure it , if needed-claims after four years in office it’s still fraudulent and if he loses in 2024 that it is still is corrupt or fraudulent- no proof, Trump campaigned in 2016 on draining swamp, after four years in office and three years out he’s campaigning again to drain the swamp again. Where was the swamp creatures 10 or 20 or 50 years ago- no, why then is this rhetoric surfacing same time as Trump.

It’s how facists or dictators gather support and take over governments, projecting their desire in controlling media, congress, military and courts make them all corrupt due to current administration in citizens eyes with facist dictator being only one that can fix it and “ drain the swamp”.

I don’t buy it and I feel our Democratic Republic is at risk due to the length of time these unsupported conspiracy theories(lies) have existed and continue to be repeated with minimal consequences so they become truth to Trump supporters.

Haski123

I’m Not refuting your point, but using it as reference cause it’s news from right wing media source and compare its credibility to same source editorials credibility is not accurate.

That’s like reading front page news in a newspaper saying the same level of credibility is warranted to random opinions on same subject on the papers editorial page,.

Fox News is News and Editorials, I have little issue with most FOX news, but their editorial staff uses News to express biased opinions that I don’t always agree with.

Hydro

I understand your point except the FBI has already been proven via all the conversations and e-mails discovered from the FBI and social media that have been released - Twitter now called X - when Elon Musk purchased the company released this documented material and made it public - the FBI knew at the time the information on Hunters laptop was real not misinformation as they portrayed to media outlets and social media

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Yep, The media sure ignores Biden's bragging about the prosecutor's firing.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Is the Left's apparent/claimed ignorance for real?

Justice101

If all they use for their "news" is MSNBC, then that would explain part of their ignorance.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Sooo Hask; you are able to ignore Joe Biden's own confession?

Joe actually admitted that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired. I have posted that many times.

Bidens' money trail to Russia, China, and Ukraine exposed
https://youtu.be/YGcKDTqhGM0

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Their ignorance is only exceeded by their due diligence to preserve it.

Haski123

I’ve stated before, I’m retired and to stay balanced By watching and read various news outlets. Some lean right some left and some fairly neutral. The opinion parts of all news networks are all biased one way or another.

News is news, facts are facts, how opinion pieces skew headlines, twist news is clearly biased.
I read or watch or read an opinion segment on CBS, MSNBC or CNN, then do same with Newsmax, FOX or OAN and sometimes it’s hard to say they are talking about the same situation or facts. It gives me a good perspective from differing views, then I look at the facts and decide what to believe and form my opinion.

Name Calling people that don’t agree with you or based on inaccurate assumptions and putting all people the same box based on political beliefs is divisive, hateful and by not respecting others is a non moral characteristic. Adds no value to civil discussion on issues of the day and is not appreciated by me.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Justice101

I wasn't name calling regarding the word ignorance.

ignorance /ĭg′nər-əns/
noun
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
The state of being ignorant; want of knowledge in general, or concerning some particular matter; the condition of not being cognizant, informed, or aware.
The condition of being ignorant; the lack of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition •

If I referred to some's stupidity that would be construed as a slur.

Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, understanding, reason, or wit, an inability to learn.

I don't name call people who disagree with me. I use facts and back them up with a variety of sources- usually right and left-leaning that agree in order to boost my argument.

I can't stomach MSNBC leftist activists who masquerade as journalists. They ought to be viewed purely for their entertainment value Imo -"whatever floats your boat" I suppose.