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Dec 15, 2023 21:17:33   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Normal people

Your new nickname is Abbie... as in Abbie Normal.

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Dec 15, 2023 21:28:54   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
keepuphope wrote:
I can't remember which president said If we do this for the blacks they will be voting Democrat for years to come. He was right, his actions did just that and devastated the black families totally. Same tactic for letting illegals in. They have a plan to warp speed their citizenship and guess what? My opinion. And if a couple thousand criminals come in and kill americans well that's the way it goes.


Hope, it was LBJ the racist KKK loving Democrat president.



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Dec 15, 2023 21:37:30   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
TruePatriot49 wrote:
Hope, it was LBJ the racist KKK loving Democrat president.


Thanks my memory with names utterly sucks,don't do to bad with other things though.

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Dec 15, 2023 22:22:29   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Justice101 wrote:



"Sanger's Planned Parenthood mission
In a 1939 letter to Dr. C. J. Gamble, Sanger urged him to get over his reluctance to hire “a full time Negro physician” as the “colored Negroes…can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubt.”

Like the abortion lobby today, Sanger urged Dr. Gamble to enlist the help of spiritual leaders to justify their deadly work, writing, “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
br br br "Sanger's Planned Parenthood miss... (show quote)



https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-margaret-sanger-to-dr-cj-gamble-annotated


December 10, 1939

Dr. C. J. Gamble
255 Adams Street
Milton, Mass

Dear Doctor Gamble:
It's good to know that you are recovering. I also am stepping up and have felt much better the past week

Miss Delp was here for Thanksgiving and I am more than delighted to learn that she was able to get $250.00 from the California Birth Control organization plus the $600.00 from the Federation. That's good; she is a go-getter and a live wire, very tactful and charming as well. I think that my pick of her has been justified, even though she is a little higher priced than the ordinary. She has been working on the article to be written by Miriam de Ford (Mrs. Maynard Shipley). They were good enough to send me a rough draft for comments and suggestions, and the important suggestion that I made was not to include Miss Delp's actual name in the article, because of the fact that her sister is married to one of the high spots in the Farm Security Department and if the enemy started to work on her name they might make it difficult along the line; otherwise I think the article is I think the article is good

As to my sending suggestions to the Federation: I think it is really unfair for me to do so. I am too far away to have the personal contact of the different reactions and it only holds up any definite project to have the pros and cons battered about which makes for more chaos and confusion

There is only one thing that I would like to be in touch with and that is the Negro Project of the South which, if the execution of the details remain in Miss Rose's hands, my suggestions will not be confusing because she knows the way my mind works.

Miss Rose sent me a copy of your letter of December 5th and I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go
out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

I agree with you that Miss Rose has done a remarkable job in thinking thru and planning the Project but she has worked on it for sometime. As soon as I knew there was the possibility of getting any money I put her at work drafting the plan for Mr. Lackner. She is excellent at just such a job. She hangs on to details, weaves and corrulates them into the design. I shall never cease to have the utmost admiration and regard for her ability, and so far I have not seen anyone in the Federation who could take her place

I am constantly delighted at the thought that you are getting better and now we must pray for Mrs. Timme who is seriously ill at the Doctors' Hospital in New York

My regards to your Sarah and to yourself

Sincerely yours
MS/mh Margaret Sanger

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Dec 15, 2023 22:48:57   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-margaret-sanger-to-dr-cj-gamble-annotated


December 10, 1939

Dr. C. J. Gamble
255 Adams Street
Milton, Mass

Dear Doctor Gamble:
It's good to know that you are recovering. I also am stepping up and have felt much better the past week

Miss Delp was here for Thanksgiving and I am more than delighted to learn that she was able to get $250.00 from the California Birth Control organization plus the $600.00 from the Federation. That's good; she is a go-getter and a live wire, very tactful and charming as well. I think that my pick of her has been justified, even though she is a little higher priced than the ordinary. She has been working on the article to be written by Miriam de Ford (Mrs. Maynard Shipley). They were good enough to send me a rough draft for comments and suggestions, and the important suggestion that I made was not to include Miss Delp's actual name in the article, because of the fact that her sister is married to one of the high spots in the Farm Security Department and if the enemy started to work on her name they might make it difficult along the line; otherwise I think the article is I think the article is good

As to my sending suggestions to the Federation: I think it is really unfair for me to do so. I am too far away to have the personal contact of the different reactions and it only holds up any definite project to have the pros and cons battered about which makes for more chaos and confusion

There is only one thing that I would like to be in touch with and that is the Negro Project of the South which, if the execution of the details remain in Miss Rose's hands, my suggestions will not be confusing because she knows the way my mind works.

Miss Rose sent me a copy of your letter of December 5th and I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go
out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

I agree with you that Miss Rose has done a remarkable job in thinking thru and planning the Project but she has worked on it for sometime. As soon as I knew there was the possibility of getting any money I put her at work drafting the plan for Mr. Lackner. She is excellent at just such a job. She hangs on to details, weaves and corrulates them into the design. I shall never cease to have the utmost admiration and regard for her ability, and so far I have not seen anyone in the Federation who could take her place

I am constantly delighted at the thought that you are getting better and now we must pray for Mrs. Timme who is seriously ill at the Doctors' Hospital in New York

My regards to your Sarah and to yourself

Sincerely yours
MS/mh Margaret Sanger
https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-mar... (show quote)



Ok, I'll take the bait. What does this letter have to do with, Margaret setting up planed parenthood as black genocide?

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Dec 15, 2023 23:42:36   #
Justice101
 
Bad Bob wrote:
https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-margaret-sanger-to-dr-cj-gamble-annotated


December 10, 1939

Dr. C. J. Gamble
255 Adams Street
Milton, Mass

Dear Doctor Gamble:
It's good to know that you are recovering. I also am stepping up and have felt much better the past week

Miss Delp was here for Thanksgiving and I am more than delighted to learn that she was able to get $250.00 from the California Birth Control organization plus the $600.00 from the Federation. That's good; she is a go-getter and a live wire, very tactful and charming as well. I think that my pick of her has been justified, even though she is a little higher priced than the ordinary. She has been working on the article to be written by Miriam de Ford (Mrs. Maynard Shipley). They were good enough to send me a rough draft for comments and suggestions, and the important suggestion that I made was not to include Miss Delp's actual name in the article, because of the fact that her sister is married to one of the high spots in the Farm Security Department and if the enemy started to work on her name they might make it difficult along the line; otherwise I think the article is I think the article is good

As to my sending suggestions to the Federation: I think it is really unfair for me to do so. I am too far away to have the personal contact of the different reactions and it only holds up any definite project to have the pros and cons battered about which makes for more chaos and confusion

There is only one thing that I would like to be in touch with and that is the Negro Project of the South which, if the execution of the details remain in Miss Rose's hands, my suggestions will not be confusing because she knows the way my mind works.

Miss Rose sent me a copy of your letter of December 5th and I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go
out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

I agree with you that Miss Rose has done a remarkable job in thinking thru and planning the Project but she has worked on it for sometime. As soon as I knew there was the possibility of getting any money I put her at work drafting the plan for Mr. Lackner. She is excellent at just such a job. She hangs on to details, weaves and corrulates them into the design. I shall never cease to have the utmost admiration and regard for her ability, and so far I have not seen anyone in the Federation who could take her place

I am constantly delighted at the thought that you are getting better and now we must pray for Mrs. Timme who is seriously ill at the Doctors' Hospital in New York

My regards to your Sarah and to yourself

Sincerely yours
MS/mh Margaret Sanger
https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-mar... (show quote)


Yep, a negro minister trained by the Federation in their ideals wouldn't be suspected of extermination and the ease of talking the negroes into getting abortions with help from a negro doctor at the clinic.

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Dec 16, 2023 00:07:18   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Justice101 wrote:
Yep, a negro minister trained by the Federation in their ideals wouldn't be suspected of extermination and the ease of talking the negroes into getting abortions with help from a negro doctor at the clinic.


Then there is this
86% of abortion clinics are in black neighborhoods, yet only make up 13% of the population.

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Dec 16, 2023 00:46:17   #
Justice101
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Then there is this
86% of abortion clinics are in black neighborhoods, yet only make up 13% of the population.


Yep, that's unfortunate. Bad Bob is trying to make the racist eugenicist Margaret Sanger look like a saint, when Planned Parenthood took her name off their Manhattan Health Care Center in 2020.

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Dec 16, 2023 00:52:38   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Justice101 wrote:
Yep, that's unfortunate. Bad Bob is trying to make the racist eugenicist Margaret Sanger look like a saint, when Planned Parenthood took her name off their Manhattan Health Care Center in 2020.


A Testament to the mental Illness of leftist progressives

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Dec 16, 2023 07:42:08   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
A Testament to the mental Illness of leftist progressives



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Dec 16, 2023 11:49:21   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
The same minds like that of activist Margaret Sanger, opened abortion clinics in black neighborhoods (none found in white populations) and quoted "for the removal of blacks " (paraphrased)



About the USPHS Syphilis Study
Where the Study Took Place
The study took place in Macon County, Alabama, the county seat of Tuskegee referred to as the "Black Belt" because of its rich soil and vast number of black sharecroppers who were the economic backbone of the region. The research itself took place on the campus of Tuskegee Institute.
What it Was Designed to Find Out

The intent of the study was to record the natural history of syphilis in Black people. The study was called the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male." When the study was initiated there were no proven treatments for the disease. Researchers told the men participating in the study that they were to be treated for "bad blood." This term was used locally by people to describe a host of diagnosable ailments including but not limited to anemia, fatigue, and syphilis.

Who Were the Participants
A total of 600 men were enrolled in the study. Of this group, 399, who had syphilis were a part of the experimental group and 201 were control subjects. Most of the men were poor and illiterate sharecroppers from the county.
What the Men Received in Exchange for Participation

The men were offered what most Negroes could only dream of in terms of medical care and survivors insurance. They were enticed and enrolled in the study with incentives including medical exams, rides to and from the clinics, meals on examination days, free treatment for minor ailments, and guarantees that provisions would be made after their deaths in terms of burial stipends paid to their survivors.

Treatment Withheld
There were no proven treatments for syphilis when the study began. When penicillin became the standard treatment for the disease in 1947 the medicine was withheld as a part of the treatment for both the experimental group and control group.

How/Why the Study Ended
On July 25, 1972, Jean Heller of the Associated Press broke the story that appeared simultaneously both in New York and Washington, that there had been a 40-year nontherapeutic experiment called "a study" on the effects of untreated syphilis on Black men in the rural south.

Between the start of the study in 1932 and 1947, the date when penicillin was determined as a cure for the disease, dozens of men had died and their wives, children, and untold number of others had been infected. This set into motion international public outcry and a series of actions initiated by U.S. federal agencies. The Assistant Secretary for Health and Scientific Affairs appointed an Ad Hoc Advisory Panel, comprised of nine members from the fields of health administration, medicine, law, religion, education, etc. to review the study.
https://www.tuskegee.edu/about-us/centers-of-excellence/bioethics-center/about-the-usphs-syphilis-study

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Dec 16, 2023 12:23:09   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Ok, I'll take the bait. What does this letter have to do with, Margaret setting up planed parenthood as black genocide?


Your black genocide is bullshit. If it was true, the right-wingers would have made Sanger a saint.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3884362/

Fam Plann Perspect
. 1985 Jan-Feb;17(1):44-6.
Was Margaret Sanger a racist?
C Valenza
PMID: 3884362
Abstract
PIP: Margaret Sanger, as a young public health nurse, witnessed the sickness, disease and poverty caused by unwanted pregnancies. She spent the rest of her life trying to alleviate these conditions by bringing birth control to America. During the early 20th century, the idea of making contraceptives generally available was revolutionary. Contraceptive usage was considered a distinguishing feature of the 'haves.' In recent years, some revisionist biographers have portrayed Sanger as a eugenicist and a racist. This view has been widely publicized by critics of reproductive rights who have attempted to discredit Sanger's work by discrediting her personally. The basic concept of the eugenics movement in the 1920s and 1930s was that a better breed of humans would be created if the 'fit' had more children and the 'unfit' had fewer. This concept influenced a broad spectrum of thought, but there was little consensus on the definitions of fit and unfit. In theory, the movement was not racist--its message intended to cross race barriers for the overall advancement of mankind. Most eugenicists agreed that birth control would be a detriment to the human race and were opposed to it. Charges that Sanger's motives for promoting birth control were eugenic are not supported. In part of her most important work, "Pivot of Civilization," Sanger's dissent from eugenics was made clear. By examining extracts from her books, the author refutes the notion that Sanger was a eugenicist. Another unsupported argument raised by the anti-Sanger group was that Sanger, in her position as editor of "Birth Contol Review," published eugenicists' views. It would be more accurate to say that the review covered a wide range of opinions and research; the eugenicists views were included because they conferred respectability. David Kennedy, author of "Birth Control in America," does Sanger a grave injustice by falsely attributing to her the quotation: 'More children from the fit, less from the unfit--that is the chief issue of birth control.' This quotation should be attributed to the editors of "American Medicine." The only area Sanger is in agreement with the eugenicists is in her belief that severely retarded people should not bear children. Several authors, including Linda Gordon, argued that Sanger's interest in providing contraceptives to black Americans was motivated by racism. This notion is entirely misconstrued by distortions of language quoted by Sanger. Rather than wanting to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population.

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Dec 16, 2023 12:54:30   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Your black genocide is bullshit. If it was true, the right-wingers would have made Sanger a saint.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3884362/

Fam Plann Perspect
. 1985 Jan-Feb;17(1):44-6.
Was Margaret Sanger a racist?
C Valenza
PMID: 3884362
Abstract
PIP: Margaret Sanger, as a young public health nurse, witnessed the sickness, disease and poverty caused by unwanted pregnancies. She spent the rest of her life trying to alleviate these conditions by bringing birth control to America. During the early 20th century, the idea of making contraceptives generally available was revolutionary. Contraceptive usage was considered a distinguishing feature of the 'haves.' In recent years, some revisionist biographers have portrayed Sanger as a eugenicist and a racist. This view has been widely publicized by critics of reproductive rights who have attempted to discredit Sanger's work by discrediting her personally. The basic concept of the eugenics movement in the 1920s and 1930s was that a better breed of humans would be created if the 'fit' had more children and the 'unfit' had fewer. This concept influenced a broad spectrum of thought, but there was little consensus on the definitions of fit and unfit. In theory, the movement was not racist--its message intended to cross race barriers for the overall advancement of mankind. Most eugenicists agreed that birth control would be a detriment to the human race and were opposed to it. Charges that Sanger's motives for promoting birth control were eugenic are not supported. In part of her most important work, "Pivot of Civilization," Sanger's dissent from eugenics was made clear. By examining extracts from her books, the author refutes the notion that Sanger was a eugenicist. Another unsupported argument raised by the anti-Sanger group was that Sanger, in her position as editor of "Birth Contol Review," published eugenicists' views. It would be more accurate to say that the review covered a wide range of opinions and research; the eugenicists views were included because they conferred respectability. David Kennedy, author of "Birth Control in America," does Sanger a grave injustice by falsely attributing to her the quotation: 'More children from the fit, less from the unfit--that is the chief issue of birth control.' This quotation should be attributed to the editors of "American Medicine." The only area Sanger is in agreement with the eugenicists is in her belief that severely retarded people should not bear children. Several authors, including Linda Gordon, argued that Sanger's interest in providing contraceptives to black Americans was motivated by racism. This notion is entirely misconstrued by distortions of language quoted by Sanger. Rather than wanting to exterminate the Negro population, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population.
Your black genocide is bullshit. If it was true, ... (show quote)



During this time in history Bob, the Democrat party and Sanger were deep entrenched in the KKK.
Even the Revisionist history hadn't been able to hide this.......yet.

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Dec 16, 2023 16:58:43   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Justice101 wrote:
Yep, a negro minister trained by the Federation in their ideals wouldn't be suspected of extermination and the ease of talking the negroes into getting abortions with help from a negro doctor at the clinic.


Nonsense, but Sanger sure brought out the crazies then and now.

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Dec 16, 2023 17:12:21   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Justice101 wrote:
Yep, that's unfortunate. Bad Bob is trying to make the racist eugenicist Margaret Sanger look like a saint, when Planned Parenthood took her name off their Manhattan Health Care Center in 2020.


WHY PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS REMOVING FOUNDER MARGARET SANGER'S NAME FROM A NEW YORK CITY CLINIC
Why Planned Parenthood Is Removing Founder Margaret Sanger's Name From a New York City Clinic

https://time.com/5869743/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger/

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