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Jul 31, 2014 07:48:53   #
todd
 
good answer....good homework.....but the minds are sadly already set...hearts are hardened

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Jul 31, 2014 09:24:00   #
astrolite
 
Homestead wrote:
The Jews do not claim that other people are animals.

What the bible says is that the Jews are his chosen people, he also said that they are a stiffted necked lot, they refuse to yield.

Jesus has said, that who ever shall believe in me shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

The bible also says:
as ye do unto the least of my breatheren, so then you do unto me.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Judge not, for as ye judge, so shall be judged.


Now let's look at the Koran:

2:65 Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes
“And well you know there were those among you [Jews] that transgressed the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’
2:89 Unbelievers, particularly Jews, are accursed
“When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them -- and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers -- when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers.
2:191-193 Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” i.e. Islamic law rules all societies
“And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them -- such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”
3:28 Don’t take unbelievers as friends and allies, unless it is for “fear of them,” i.e. deceptively for protection of oneself or of Islam
“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers -- for whoso does that belongs not to Allah in anything -- unless you have a fear of them. Allah warns you that You beware of Him, and unto Allah is the homecoming.”
3:110-112 Muslims are the best of people, Jews have earned Allah’s anger
“You are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honour, and forbidding dishonour, and believing in Allah. Had the People of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers, but the most of them are ungodly. They will not harm you, except a little hurt; and if they fight with you, they will turn on you their backs; then they will not be helped. Abasement shall be pitched on them, wherever they are come upon, except they be in a bond of Allah, and a bond of the people; they will be laden with the burden of Allah’s anger, and poverty shall be pitched on them; that, because they disbelieved in Allah’s signs, and slew the Prophets without right; that, for that they acted rebelliously and were transgressors.”
3:151 Allah will cast terror into the unbelievers' hearts
“We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”
3:181 Jews are bound for hell
“Allah has heard the saying of those who said, ‘Surely Allah is poor, and we are rich.’ We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the Prophets without right, and We shall say, ‘Taste the chastisement of the burning.’”
4:34 Beat disobedient women
“Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”
4:160 Jews do evil, turn people away from Allah
“And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from Allah’s way many…”
5:33 Crucify or amputate the hands and feet of those who make war against Allah and Muhammad
"This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement."
5:41 Jews listen to falsehood and pervert the meaning of their Scriptures
“O Messenger, let them not grieve thee that vie with one another in unbelief, such men as say with their mouths ‘We believe’ but their hearts believe not; and the Jews who listen to falsehood, listen to other folk, who have not come to thee, perverting words from their meanings, saying, ‘If you are given this, then take it; if you are not given it, beware!’ Whomsoever Allah desires to try, thou canst not avail him anything with Allah. Those are they whose hearts Allah desired not to purify; for them is degradation in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies
“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”
5:59-60 Jews cursed, made into apes and swine
“Say: ‘People of the Book, do you blame us for any other cause than that we believe in Allah, and what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before, and that most of you are ungodly?’ Say: ‘Shall I tell you of a recompense with Allah, worse than that? Whomsoever Allah has cursed, and with whom He is wroth, and made some of them apes and swine, and worshippers of idols -- they are worse situated, and have gone further astray from the right way.’”
5:64 Jews accursed
“The Jews have said, ‘Allah’s hand is fettered.’ Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. Nay, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; and We have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and Allah loves not the workers of corruption.”
5:72 Christians are unbelievers
“They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’ For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’”
5:82 Jews most hostile to the Muslims
“Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax not proud.”
6:91 Jews deny, conceal divine revelations
“They measured not Allah with His true measure when they said, ‘Allah has not sent down aught on any mortal.’ Say: ‘Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? You put it into parchments, revealing them, and hiding much; and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers.’ Say: ‘Allah.’ Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging.”
6:146 Jews insolent
“And to those of Jewry We have forbidden every beast with claws; and of oxen and sheep We have forbidden them the fat of them, save what their backs carry, or their entrails, or what is mingled with bone; that We recompensed them for their insolence; surely We speak truly.”
7:166 Jews are apes
“And when they [Jews] turned in disdain from that forbidding We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’”
8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them
“When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’”
8:39 Fight unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”
8:60 Make war against enemies of Allah
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”
9:5 Slay the idolaters
“Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”
9:28 Idolaters unclean
“O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise.”
9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book -- until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”
9:30 Jews and Christians assailed by Allah
“The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of Allah’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of Allah.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assail them! How they are perverted!”
9:31 Jews and Christians have taken their clergy and holy men as lords
“They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary’s son -- and they were commanded to serve but One Allah; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate.”
9:73 Be harsh with unbelievers
“O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge is Gehenna -- an evil homecoming!”
9:111 Paradise guaranteed to those who kill and are killed for Allah
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”
9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”
47:4 Behead and slaughter the unbelievers; take others captive
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”
48:29 Be merciful to believers, not unbelievers
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another."
62:6 Jews should long for death
“Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”
98:6 Unbelievers are the worst of creatures
“The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.”


I don't see any similarity at all.

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
The Jews do not claim that other people are animal... (show quote)


Now I am sorry I gave away my copy of the Koran, and the Chronicles (which is worse) Also I loaned out my annotated copy of the Talmud, I do still have my copy of the Kaballa! Open your copy of the Talmud to "Menes", then read his comments on the requirements of Hebrew congress, and status, with Heathens (Goyim). Maybe it was custom for all those religions to keep their bloodlines pure by accusing others of being animals? And encouraging their adherents to murder and enslave all others! THAT is the reason the Hebrew Hierarchy had Jesus killed! They considered him a Renegade Hebrew for teaching against the Talmud!

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Jul 31, 2014 10:33:41   #
todd
 
...about 500 years ago some seafaring European tribes discovered this land of "opportunity" and were beckoned uncontrollably to possess it...what has changed in 500 years? ...well for starters the big chief, head of this happy hunting ground, has caught wind of a number of outside tribes who have heard of the riches of this land and he has given an open invitation to these outside tribes to overwhelm the boundaries of the various nations that inhabit the land...though of different tribes they are marching to the same drum-beat...they covet this land's gold and silver and this territory and can't resist the present gullible Chief's open invitation to hunt permanently the riches of the land and move in and take advantage of the free bees and free milk and free honey of the land...so the message to the present inhabitants is; 'move the hell' over or you will get stampeded by the new tribe's horses and all their asses...some of these outside tribals have tattoos, and wear ear rings, and have beads...some are so tribal they form covenants and take vows and are referred to as 'gangs'...what an awful thing to think of some of these new 'friends' and neighbors...some local natives are now even being paid $7,000 wampums per month by this happy chief-in-commander to take in these new tribalites....oh happy world...why can't we all just live in peace? ...what the heck is 500 years anyway?

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Jul 31, 2014 11:51:35   #
BigOlBear
 
todd wrote:
...about 500 years ago some seafaring European tribes discovered this land of "opportunity" and were beckoned uncontrollably to possess it...what has changed in 500 years? ...well for starters the big chief, head of this happy hunting ground, has caught wind of a number of outside tribes who have heard of the riches of this land and he has given an open invitation to these outside tribes to overwhelm the boundaries of the various nations that inhabit the land...though of different tribes they are marching to the same drum-beat...they covet this land's gold and silver and this territory and can't resist the present gullible Chief's open invitation to hunt permanently the riches of the land and move in and take advantage of the free bees and free milk and free honey of the land...so the message to the present inhabitants is; 'move the hell' over or you will get stampeded by the new tribe's horses and all their asses...some of these outside tribals have tattoos, and wear ear rings, and have beads...some are so tribal they form covenants and take vows and are referred to as 'gangs'...what an awful thing to think of some of these new 'friends' and neighbors...some local natives are now even being paid $7,000 wampums per month by this happy chief-in-commander to take in these new tribalites....oh happy world...why can't we all just live in peace? ...what the heck is 500 years anyway?
...about 500 years ago some seafaring European tri... (show quote)


Excellent post! :lol: :thumbup: :lol: :thumbup:

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Jul 31, 2014 11:58:47   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
todd wrote:
...about 500 years ago some seafaring European tribes discovered this land of "opportunity" and were beckoned uncontrollably to possess it...what has changed in 500 years? ...well for starters the big chief, head of this happy hunting ground, has caught wind of a number of outside tribes who have heard of the riches of this land and he has given an open invitation to these outside tribes to overwhelm the boundaries of the various nations that inhabit the land...though of different tribes they are marching to the same drum-beat...they covet this land's gold and silver and this territory and can't resist the present gullible Chief's open invitation to hunt permanently the riches of the land and move in and take advantage of the free bees and free milk and free honey of the land...so the message to the present inhabitants is; 'move the hell' over or you will get stampeded by the new tribe's horses and all their asses...some of these outside tribals have tattoos, and wear ear rings, and have beads...some are so tribal they form covenants and take vows and are referred to as 'gangs'...what an awful thing to think of some of these new 'friends' and neighbors...some local natives are now even being paid $7,000 wampums per month by this happy chief-in-commander to take in these new tribalites....oh happy world...why can't we all just live in peace? ...what the heck is 500 years anyway?
...about 500 years ago some seafaring European tri... (show quote)

You tell it as it is. Really enjoyed reading your method of telling us the history!
:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 31, 2014 14:13:17   #
Homestead
 
astrolite wrote:
Now I am sorry I gave away my copy of the Koran, and the Chronicles (which is worse) Also I loaned out my annotated copy of the Talmud, I do still have my copy of the Kaballa! Open your copy of the Talmud to "Menes", then read his comments on the requirements of Hebrew congress, and status, with Heathens (Goyim). Maybe it was custom for all those religions to keep their bloodlines pure by accusing others of being animals? And encouraging their adherents to murder and enslave all others! THAT is the reason the Hebrew Hierarchy had Jesus killed! They considered him a Renegade Hebrew for teaching against the Talmud!
Now I am sorry I gave away my copy of the Koran, a... (show quote)


Jesus is one man, that's one death.

Man's in humanity to man is well documented. Try studying the Greek City States, Ivan the Terrible, The Chinese Dynasties and Genghis Khan.
Not a Jew among them..........unless you count the occasional victim that got in the way of their slaughters.

Islam, in fourteen hundred years racked up 270 million and is still counting.

The other wars, by the kings, emperors and tyrants, may have lasted their life times, but that's it.


Islam has been at war, with the world for 1,400 hundred years and is still killing for the same reasons it started 1,400 years ago.

There is as much a comparison to Islam, as there is to other religions and empires, as there is in comparing the common cold with the Black Plague

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Jul 31, 2014 21:56:31   #
astrolite
 
Homestead wrote:
Jesus is one man, that's one death.

Man's in humanity to man is well documented. Try studying the Greek City States, Ivan the Terrible, The Chinese Dynasties and Genghis Khan.
Not a Jew among them..........unless you count the occasional victim that got in the way of their slaughters.

Islam, in fourteen hundred years racked up 270 million and is still counting.

The other wars, by the kings, emperors and tyrants, may have lasted their life times, but that's it.


Islam has been at war, with the world for 1,400 hundred years and is still killing for the same reasons it started 1,400 years ago.

There is as much a comparison to Islam, as there is to other religions and empires, as there is in comparing the common cold with the Black Plague
Jesus is one man, that's one death. br br Man's... (show quote)


You forgot to mention that Islam has it's own words for lying and posing as of another religion to infiltrate and murder others! And words for enslaving and murdering! And of course posing as a victim while planning to murder others! There is only one kind of "Peaceful Muslim" that is a DEAD muslim! Now we have one as our president, and everytime he gets caught in another muslim scam, his syncophants STILL deny he IS! He is bringing millions of Muslim terrorists into the country, and supporting THOSE who sneak in! less than a million before Obama.....over 10 million last year! Who knows how many today, all training to murder us all!

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Jul 31, 2014 22:06:45   #
Homestead
 
astrolite wrote:
You forgot to mention that Islam has it's own words for lying and posing as of another religion to infiltrate and murder others! And words for enslaving and murdering! And of course posing as a victim while planning to murder others! There is only one kind of "Peaceful Muslim" that is a DEAD muslim! Now we have one as our president, and everytime he gets caught in another muslim scam, his syncophants STILL deny he IS! He is bringing millions of Muslim terrorists into the country, and supporting THOSE who sneak in! less than a million before Obama.....over 10 million last year! Who knows how many today, all training to murder us all!
You forgot to mention that Islam has it's own word... (show quote)


When I was growing up, the big question was how did they let Hitler get into power.


I guess it takes the kind of stupidity we are witnessing today.

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Aug 2, 2014 00:01:42   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
astrolite wrote:
Now I am sorry I gave away my copy of the Koran, and the Chronicles (which is worse) Also I loaned out my annotated copy of the Talmud, I do still have my copy of the Kaballa! Open your copy of the Talmud to "Menes", then read his comments on the requirements of Hebrew congress, and status, with Heathens (Goyim). Maybe it was custom for all those religions to keep their bloodlines pure by accusing others of being animals? And encouraging their adherents to murder and enslave all others! THAT is the reason the Hebrew Hierarchy had Jesus killed! They considered him a Renegade Hebrew for teaching against the Talmud!
Now I am sorry I gave away my copy of the Koran, a... (show quote)


The Talmud is not Scripture, nor has it ever been considered inspired literature. It is a Commentary, the opinions of Jewish Rabbis, recorded from the 2nd century A.D to the 5th century A.D.; a product of Rabbinical brainstorming sessions where a group of Rabbis would each give their opinion on a particular Torah portion, or teaching.

Thus it was explained to me by a Rabbi that practically any belief a person might have regarding a particular Scripture could be upheld by one or another of the recorded Rabbinical opinions.

Jesus died because it was his mission to do so. For that cause, came He into the world, and He was obedient to God the Father, even unto death, burial and a glorious resurrection that had the potential of saving all mankind, if they repented, believed on Him, and followed His example of sacrificial giving (although not necessarily to death, obviously).

The Sanhedrin maneuvered to have Jesus put to death because they considered Him a threat to the power and status they had created for themselves through their willing collusion with Rome, just as those with great political power today will often stop at nothing to retain their power.

Their stated charge against Jesus was "blasphemy" for his statement that he and the Father were one, declaring Himself to be God, and equal with God.

I couldn't find any reference to a "Menes"?

Are you speaking of Menes, the Pharaoh of Egypt's first dynasty? - or of Abraham Menes, Bundist and Biblical Scholar, who was a scholar and author of studies? - or another Menes?

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Aug 2, 2014 00:17:22   #
astrolite
 
Zemirah wrote:
The Talmud is not Scripture, nor has it ever been considered inspired literature. It is a Commentary, the opinions of Jewish Rabbis, recorded from the 2nd century A.D to the 5th century A.D.; a product of Rabbinical brainstorming sessions where a group of Rabbis would each give their opinion on a particular Torah portion, or teaching.

Thus it was explained to me by a Rabbi that practically any belief a person might have regarding a particular Scripture could be upheld by one or another of the recorded Rabbinical opinions.

Jesus died because it was his mission to do so. For that cause, came He into the world, and He was obedient to God the Father, even unto death, burial and a glorious resurrection that had the potential of saving all mankind, if they repented, believed on Him, and followed His example of sacrificial giving (although not necessarily to death, obviously).

The Sanhedrin maneuvered to have Jesus put to death because they considered Him a threat to the power and status they had created for themselves through their willing collusion with Rome, just as those with great political power today will often stop at nothing to retain their power.

Their stated charge against Jesus was "blasphemy" for his statement that he and the Father were one, declaring Himself to be God, and equal with God.

I couldn't find any reference to a "Menes"?

Are you speaking of Menes, the Pharaoh of Egypt's first dynasty? - or of Abraham Menes, Bundist and Biblical Scholar, who was a scholar and author of studies? - or another Menes?
The Talmud is not Scripture, nor has it ever been ... (show quote)


I was taught that the Rabbi's were still meeting in Acre during the time of Jesus! I never said it was scripture, Like the Kabbala it is "Word of MAN" Not the word of GOD! If I ever get back my copy I will post the whole passages and the location! A lot of my books were NEVER returned! Some that are banned and unavailable!

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Aug 2, 2014 01:02:56   #
todd
 
...questions about Islamic religions and their origins and scripture; ...with Islam, did Mohammed write any of it's scripture? ...he was a warrior...didn't his followers write the lions share of the Koran (if not all of it) for the next 3 to 4 hundred years after his death? ...is there any single part of the Koran that can be for sure credited to Mohammed? ..how can a religion come out of so much contention at its origin? ...and why is Islam so divided?...and why is there so many schisms in the religion?...Mohammed was a very hateful man in his life time and killed wantonly ...he was a roll-model for the following three hundred years in the formulation of Islamic 'scripture' ultimately bent on destruction of its followers and their enemies? ...how much of Islamic scripture was codified during the Crusades? ...excuse my ignorance but it seems like there is a lot of people in the world misled by Islam...it seems evil is expressed through this 'religion' ....not God...it is not the right spirit to lie, which seems to be at the heart of this 'religion'...I find it hard to swallow the notion that this is a 'religion of peace' when it has so much conflict in its scripture and extreme followers...it says one thing in its early scripture and evolves into hate in later scripture...is it that this scripture was just completely contrived over a long period after Mohammed and this man is simply a character of the origin of a real big mess to people who need to latch on to a religion and who rejected the Christians and Jews in their world at the time of its formulation?

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Aug 2, 2014 04:47:11   #
Rdjarhead Loc: Oklahoma
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Some people are so convinced that you absolutely must have some sort of religion in order to have God in your life that they just can't see it any other way. It baffles and boggles them that God isn't the end result of religion but the reason people create religions. First is God, all religions just came afterward and when you get back to God, and put God first, where is the need for religion? I don't find that hard to comprehend, at all.


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Aug 2, 2014 06:58:09   #
astrolite
 
Rdjarhead wrote:
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Aug 2, 2014 07:53:30   #
BigOlBear
 
Blacksheep wrote:
Some people are so convinced that you absolutely must have some sort of religion in order to have God in your life that they just can't see it any other way. It baffles and boggles them that God isn't the end result of religion but the reason people create religions. First is God, all religions just came afterward and when you get back to God, and put God first, where is the need for religion? I don't find that hard to comprehend, at all.


A lot of wisdom in what you say ... I agree.

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Aug 2, 2014 13:27:25   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Rdjarhead wrote:
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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I totally agree!!!

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