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Dec 14, 2023 21:09:29   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Haski123 wrote:
What specifically did Obama do to break up USA unity?, he pulled us out of recession, was ranked 10th of 45 presidents by Historians( Trump was 41st- Biden not ranked until out of office)


For starters here's a few by putting a bullseye target on the backs of the police .

Set race relations back decades by condemning the police in every case where blacks were killed before a complete investigation had been done.

Reparations for slavery

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Dec 14, 2023 21:13:26   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
The FBI knew exactly where the documents were in Trump's house.

I know exactly where the documents were! They were in a locked room in Trump's home. I know this because three FBI agents went to Mar-a-Lago on June 3, 2022 - two months earlier than the fake raid they conducted and saw the boxes there! They didn't look into the boxes at the time, but they did tell Trump to keep the boxes locked in a single room, which he complied with! He also told them during the June 3 visit that they could take the boxes or whatever they wanted from them, but that the National Archives wanted some of them for their own purposes. None of you conspiracy people ever say anything about this! Look it up! There are timelines of these visits all over the net.

The problem I have with the FBI going to his home in August was that they went there at a time they KNEW he was not home. Trump couldn't tell them to go ahead and take the boxes or whatever they wanted from him because he was NOT THERE! And this is obvious because when they showed up at Mar-a-Lago, they told the staff to turn off all the cameras! It's a good thing Eric Trump was there that day because he was able to at least keep the cameras going. Those videos have never been shown to anyone. I really want to see them! All of them! Especially the ones of them going through Melania's lingerie drawers!

Trump also said he never told the FBI agents they couldn't have any of the documents - they just didn't take them in June - probably because they wanted the raid they were planning later on to look "real". There is even some suspicion that documents were planted in Trump's home by the FBI when they went there in either the June visit or the August raid.
The FBI knew exactly where the documents were in T... (show quote)


What happened on your timeline that Trump was subpoenaed to return the documents and delayed return, what about the affidavit that Trump had his lawyer sign that indicated he had returned all the documents requested but really hadn’t , or conversation in lawyers testimony that if he didn’t return them all he’d be breaking the law.
Bottom line He took them , knew he had them and they weren’t his, did not have them Properly secured, did not return them when requested, showed them to unauthorised people, had them in multiple locations, search subpoena was clearly in order.

Most of your suppositions appear to cover Trumps inappropriate and yet to be determined illegal actions and are just theories not facts. The trial will bring all the facts on. You have your view I have mine and I agree to disagree with you.

Cheers. Thanks for sharing.


How did you miss all that?

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Dec 14, 2023 21:18:56   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
What happened on your timeline that Trump was subpoenaed to return the documents and delayed return, what about the affidavit that Trump had his lawyer sign that indicated he had returned all the documents requested but really hadn’t , or conversation in lawyers testimony that if he didn’t return them all he’d be breaking the law.
Bottom line He took them , knew he had them and they weren’t his, did not have them Properly secured, did not return them when requested, showed them to unauthorised people, had them in multiple locations, search subpoena was clearly in order.

Most of your suppositions appear to cover Trumps inappropriate and yet to be determined illegal actions and are just theories not facts. The trial will bring all the facts on. You have your view I have mine and I agree to disagree with you.

Cheers. Thanks for sharing.


How did you miss all that?
What happened on your timeline that Trump was subp... (show quote)


Stop with the niceties. You don't mean them....they contradict your whole attitude here.....they are shallow.

Nothing I have posted are "my suppositions"...they are the truth. Something you seem to want to avoid.

The TRUTH is that before their "surprise" raid in August, when Trump was not home the FBI had already been to Trump's home when he was there in June (June 3). He met with them and they talked about the boxes! Trump did what they asked him to. When they raided his home in August and was not there, Trump could not have offered the boxes or any of the documents to them because he wasn't there....and they KNEW it! So they made it look like a raid. It was sneaky, and a lot of Americans bought the lie. If they didn't look at the documents during the June visit, it is NOT Trump's fault! You don't like this, but it is what happened.

Deal with it.

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Dec 14, 2023 21:22:59   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Historians have not had a chance to rate Trump on his COMPLETE legacy at this point in time! He's still alive and may yet win another term in office, where his legacy would be greatly affected! Yet here you are telling people that these historians have already rated him! That's pretty deceptive of you!


Emily- here’s the process, Historians have a set of objective and subjective criteria/ questions they answer on each President after they leave office.( Some organisations periodically reevaluate them all as well if new info surfaces.)

That’s the process. Doesn’t matter if alive or dead.

Should he get elected again in 2029 they would rate his 2nd term( not sure if they would give a consolidated review as well)

That’s the process, it’s not deceptive, the fact that he’s 41st( bottom five) is not great.

Look it up

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Dec 14, 2023 21:25:58   #
BIRDMAN
 
Haski123 wrote:
Biden & Pence shouldn’t have, once aware of it they had them collected and returned where they belong.
If Trump had provided info as requested he basically would have been in same position as Biden & Pence, instead he held back responding, then he gave partial documents and had lawyer create letter confirming he sent them all, then search subpoena found more.
He’s said everything was declassified, then he said they were his, pointed fingers at everyone else, then he shared some of the classified documents with MarALargo guests/ tenants and bragged about having them. Who knows what else he did with them.

You question is a mute point. Biden and Pence could be subject to penalties, but know where near the penalties Trump created through his actions. His lawyer even told him not returning all the requested documents would be illegal.

Thanks for sharing.

Two radically different ways to handle similar situations.
Biden & Pence shouldn’t have, once aware of it... (show quote)


Absolute Malarkey

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Dec 14, 2023 21:26:38   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Emily- here’s the process, Historians have a set of objective and subjective criteria/ questions they answer on each President after they leave office.( Some organisations periodically reevaluate them all as well if new info surfaces.)

That’s the process. Doesn’t matter if alive or dead.

Should he get elected again in 2029 they would rate his 2nd term( not sure if they would give a consolidated review as well)

That’s the process, it’s not deceptive, the fact that he’s 41st( bottom five) is not great.

Look it up
Emily- here’s the process, Historians have a set o... (show quote)


So....they rate a president's legacy BEFORE he dies?? A person's life is not "history" until they are not here anymore. It's foolish of them to judge someone before their life is over...and really stupid to call it his "history" just because he left the oval office!

Not very good "historians", in my opinion!!

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Dec 14, 2023 21:28:15   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Haski123 wrote:
What happened on your timeline that Trump was subpoenaed to return the documents and delayed return, what about the affidavit that Trump had his lawyer sign that indicated he had returned all the documents requested but really hadn’t , or conversation in lawyers testimony that if he didn’t return them all he’d be breaking the law.
Bottom line He took them , knew he had them and they weren’t his, did not have them Properly secured, did not return them when requested, showed them to unauthorised people, had them in multiple locations, search subpoena was clearly in order.

Most of your suppositions appear to cover Trumps inappropriate and yet to be determined illegal actions and are just theories not facts. The trial will bring all the facts on. You have your view I have mine and I agree to disagree with you.

Cheers. Thanks for sharing.


How did you miss all that?
What happened on your timeline that Trump was subp... (show quote)


He also wanted the security camera footage erased.

Not the behaviour of an innocent man.

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Dec 14, 2023 21:33:37   #
EmilyD
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
He also wanted the security camera footage erased.

Not the behaviour of an innocent man.


If you are talking about Trump, that is a lie. He wasn't even home the morning of the raid...he was asleep in New York. Eric had to call him and tell him what was going on. And it was Eric that told the FBI he was not going to turn off ANY of the cameras they wanted to turn off.

Answer this: Why would the FBI want all the cameras turned off at Mar-a-Lago when they raided his home?

And the question of whether it was even wrong for him to take the documents is still hanging, too. A court will look at that closely. Or it should!

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Dec 14, 2023 21:40:58   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
Don't tell me that I don't know you. The entire conscientious world now knows you and they're rejecting your ideology. Your facts are direct from the spoon fed DNC State Controlled Marxist Media. You're the walking dead, victim of a very efficient clandestine spin machine. You morons didn't vote against Trump because of his great policies and agenda. No, you voted against Trump because you were brainwashed to hate him. Only the lazy, simple-minded Marxist influenced simpletons were this susceptible to brainwashing. Very little effort was needed to capture you. You didn't vote for Biden because you liked him, you voted against Trump because you were taught to hate him. You still hate him over the worst POS to ever occupy the Oval Office. A man so worthless that the British Parliment voted to hold him in contempt.

What you call my "far right" info sources or people now identified as far right by the Left were once basic everyday Traditional Americans until the worthless, evil cultural Marxist finally captured the Democrat Party and spawned people like you. You're disgusting.

You gave no response to those Communist Goals I gave you. Perhaps you saw yourself smack in the middle of them?
Don't tell me that I don't know you. The entire c... (show quote)

I spent an hour preparing a response to your 45 communist goals, you or someone else threw those at me before, it’s either on someone else’s post or I lost it trying to add an attachment. Either way I have found it or time to recreate it at this time. My miss.
I actually agreed with some of your points but also found many that are in Trumps 2025 plans after elected.

Also you haven’t changed your demeaning name calling rhetoric. That’s a disqualifyer for me Bye. Your rhetoric does to create civil exchange of ideas and is immoral.

Morality behavior to concern any actions towards others intended to impact them in a positive ( moral) or negative( immoral) way. Respect of persons, benefice and justice are three principles of morality.



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Dec 14, 2023 21:50:41   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
If he can read it in print or hear it on MSNBS it's immediately sacrosanct truth.


I could say same for you on OAN or Newsmax or Fox

I listen to far right and far left media and make my own assessment of what truth. I am not brainwashed by one media input set. Also I research he question on internet for facts from reliable or multiple sources vs spew unsupported opinions.

That said your statement is highly inaccurate, MSNBC is an occasional visit.

I have you ignored but since this isn’t my original note your posts still appear to surface. I will be ignoring your future posts. My last posts indicate that your demeaning name call,img does not add value and you’ve decided to continue( not I this note for once). Bye

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Dec 14, 2023 21:51:28   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Emily- here’s the process, Historians have a set of objective and subjective criteria/ questions they answer on each President after they leave office.( Some organisations periodically reevaluate them all as well if new info surfaces.)

That’s the process. Doesn’t matter if alive or dead.

Should he get elected again in 2029 they would rate his 2nd term( not sure if they would give a consolidated review as well)

That’s the process, it’s not deceptive, the fact that he’s 41st( bottom five) is not great.

Look it up
Emily- here’s the process, Historians have a set o... (show quote)


Oh...so now you're changing it to the "history of one term of a president's life" .... I see.

This is your original statement about this:

"If Trump was so great he wouldn’t have been ranked 41 of 45 by historians( before you respond look it up “ historians ranking of presidents and. See how they rank presidents) "

You mentioned nothing about it being just the term he served that the historians were ranking...a sneaky lefty trait.

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Dec 14, 2023 21:55:13   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Stop with the niceties. You don't mean them....they contradict your whole attitude here.....they are shallow.

Nothing I have posted are "my suppositions"...they are the truth. Something you seem to want to avoid.

The TRUTH is that before their "surprise" raid in August, when Trump was not home the FBI had already been to Trump's home when he was there in June (June 3). He met with them and they talked about the boxes! Trump did what they asked him to. When they raided his home in August and was not there, Trump could not have offered the boxes or any of the documents to them because he wasn't there....and they KNEW it! So they made it look like a raid. It was sneaky, and a lot of Americans bought the lie. If they didn't look at the documents during the June visit, it is NOT Trump's fault! You don't like this, but it is what happened.

Deal with it.
Stop with the niceties. You don't mean them....the... (show quote)


Did you read my post. Are you saying none of my last post is true..? I didn’t say your post wasn’t true you just left out a lot of Trump incriminating facts.

No problem let’s see what the courts say, unless supreme courts rules he is immune. Then it all doesn’t matter.

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Dec 14, 2023 22:02:22   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
So....they rate a president's legacy BEFORE he dies?? A person's life is not "history" until they are not here anymore. It's foolish of them to judge someone before their life is over...and really stupid to call it his "history" just because he left the oval office!

Not very good "historians", in my opinion!!


I didn’t make the process, they meet and discuss and evaluate after president leaves office. Normally it has no impact as incumbents are usually re-elected to consecutive terms or don’t run again. His presidential history Data is current after term is over they might have to wait up to 20 years if they wait til presidents die. Little to no related presidential things happen after term is over. These are not meant to be eulogies.

You are entitled to your opinion.

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Dec 14, 2023 22:07:24   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Historians have not had a chance to rate Trump on his COMPLETE legacy at this point in time! He's still alive and may yet win another term in office, where his legacy would be greatly affected! Yet here you are telling people that these historians have already rated him! That's pretty deceptive of you!


I asked you to look it up, so you would understand the process, not trying to be sneaky or deceptive. Obviously you didn’t look, that ones on you.

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Dec 14, 2023 22:40:50   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
It’s now ~3%, down from 9% high. Many things have come down or discontinued rising, some items have increased or stabilised leading currently to downward trend. Trump was at ~+2% which is desired Fed level. Getting closer to 2%.

I was around in 70’s and it hit ~14% and did not normalize for ten years(wages didn’t keep up either), jobs were not as strong, unemployment high( specially after Vietnam War ended, )government contractor and their jobs reduced significantly. Tough long time.

I do a majority of grocery shopping and I drive 40-50 miles a day to volunteer to coach Basketball. So I know gas has come down as some of the others.

Thanks for sharing.
It’s now ~3%, down from 9% high. Many things have ... (show quote)



What was the dollar worth in 1972+/- ?
Buying power then and now

We then replace the variables with the historical CPI values. The CPI in 1970 was 38.8 and 300.84 in 2023.

$1,000,000 in 1970 has the same purchasing power as $7,753,608.25 today.

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