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Dec 14, 2023 18:56:02   #
Haski123
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
Maybe you missed where Joey withheld $1 billion from Ukraine until they fired the prosecutor that was going after Hunters company

USA Today
“It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. “
It was his assignment to oust Victor or get him to start taking action as Victor had done no prosecutions in office when the World knew I corruption was rampant in Ukraine and USA couldn’t send funds to a country with out of control corruption . It was part of the strategy.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:01:58   #
Haski123
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
🤪🤪🤪🤪


How does this relate to Joe Biden?

We’ve been discussing Joe Biden vs Trump not Biden’s kids( not in public office) vs Trumps kids( recently in public office) don’t think you want to open up that bag of snakes.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:04:54   #
BIRDMAN
 
Haski123 wrote:
How does this relate to Joe Biden?

We’ve been discussing Joe Biden vs Trump not Biden’s kids( not in public office) vs Trumps kids( recently in public office) don’t think you want to open up that bag of snakes.


But I do

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Dec 14, 2023 19:05:19   #
BIRDMAN
 
Haski123 wrote:
How does this relate to Joe Biden?

We’ve been discussing Joe Biden vs Trump not Biden’s kids( not in public office) vs Trumps kids( recently in public office) don’t think you want to open up that bag of snakes.


Exactly why nobody takes you seriously. And the laptop was fake right

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Dec 14, 2023 19:06:10   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
Exactly why nobody takes you seriously. And the laptop was fake right


He’s nothing more than a troll.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:06:47   #
albertk
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
But I do







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Dec 14, 2023 19:49:08   #
Haski123
 
Justice101 wrote:
I used the article to point out that a father was indicted for helping his son obtain a firearm, although it was known by the family beforehand that the son was violent and threatened to kill them with knives.

Here's another one that you may have forgotten.

Parents of Michigan school shooting suspect held on $500,000 bond each after manhunt
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html

Ok got it now. I’m sending a paper to my congressman on ways to stop gun violence. As a gun owner I feel we need to put better controls in place, make emotional healthcare .
more available and approachable( it’s ok to seek help) and maintain gun ownership..
I have a great info card on emotional well being that could be a good start. I’ll take a pic and send it to you Friday.
Thanks for sharing

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Dec 14, 2023 20:30:29   #
Haski123
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
But I do


Go for it, I have enough more important things to work on. Cheers

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Dec 14, 2023 23:17:14   #
Justice101
 
Haski123 wrote:
USA Today
“It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians. “
It was his assignment to oust Victor or get him to start taking action as Victor had done no prosecutions in office when the World knew I corruption was rampant in Ukraine and USA couldn’t send funds to a country with out of control corruption . It was part of the strategy.
USA Today br “It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $... (show quote)


https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-defense-falls-apart/

Biden has always had a certain penchant for bragging, whether it’s claiming a dead man told him he reached a million miles on Amtrak, being a cross-country trucker or fighting off some “bad dude” named Corn Pop.

But one of those bravado moments may have revealed more than vanity.

Ironically, it’s the one controversial story that appears entirely true.

In a 2018 interview at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged that he unilaterally withheld a billion dollars in US aid from the Ukrainians to force them to fire Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

The Ukrainians balked, but Biden gave them an ultimatum: “I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”

The premise of the story is that Biden took this extraordinary stand because there was little hope for the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine if Shokin remained prosecutor.

That is now questionable.

The Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizes the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee that was handling the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine: “Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee.”

One senior official even complimented Shokin on his progress in fighting corruption.

So Biden was told to deliver on the federal aid but elected to unilaterally demand that Shokin be fired.

When the firing occurred, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma Holdings, an energy firm that paid Hunter Biden a huge amount of money.

The State Department had identified it as a corrupt company engaged in bribery.

Recent testimony from Devon Archer, a business associate of Hunter Biden, revealed that Burisma executives made the removal of Shokin a top priority and raised it with Hunter.

He described how the need to neutralize Shokin was raised with Hunter and how “a call to Washington” was made in response.

President Biden has insisted, “I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. And that’s what we should be focusing on.”

Indeed, that will now be the focus, including the close correlation of the money and demands going to Hunter and the actions of his father.

There is evidence the State Department was alarmed by Hunter’s work and its impact on anti-corruption efforts.

While Joe was portraying his work as fighting corruption, some officials were warning that the Bidens could be part of the problem, not the solution, in Ukraine.

Leading diplomat George Kent wrote then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, “The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine [because] Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules.”

As part of the first impeachment of President Donald Trump, Democrats largely dismissed earlier accounts of these misgivings and portrayed Shokin as a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor perpetuating corruption.

Biden’s Ukrainian Corn Pop story was celebrated as a gutsy moment of leadership.

During the impeachment, Kent said Biden’s demand was consistent with US policy.

Yet we now know the State Department had found progress was being made on corruption and Shokin was praised in private correspondence.

The demand for the replacement of the equivalent of the attorney general in another country is an extraordinary move.

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We give massive amounts of money to countries with rampant corruption and authoritarian records.

But Biden decided Shokin had to go and used public money to make that happen.

The memo also highlights the flaws in the Trump impeachment.

When I testified before the House Judiciary Committee at the only impeachment hearing, I told the committee it should not depart from history and proceed to an impeachment without fact witnesses on the grounds for impeachment.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and others refused.

It now seems there was material evidence that would have been used at the impeachment trial.

Trump was alleging there was a conflict of interest with the Bidens, and the evidence could have challenged Biden’s account and established his son’s interest in the Shokin firing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/ex-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer-arrives-for-house-deposition/

Archer said during a four-hour House Oversight Committee interview that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings paid Hunter up to $1 million per year to serve on its board because of his family’s “brand.”

Archer met with then-Vice President Joe Biden in April 2014, within days of joining Burisma’s board alongside Hunter, and told lawmakers that “Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it,” according to a readout from panel Republicans.

According to Archer, Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — who allegedly told an FBI informant in 2016 he was “coerced” to pay $10 million in bribes to Hunter and Joe Biden — put intense pressure on Hunter in late 2015 to enlist US support for ousting Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who had investigated Burisma, the Republican readout said.

At one point, Hunter Biden, Zlochevsky and Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi stepped away and “called DC” about the issue, Archer said.

“We wish he could have given us more detailed answers on some of our questions. But what he did provide is massive,” she added. “He provided, as a former business partner of Hunter Biden, that Joe Biden lied to the American people so many times. Joe Biden is on record over and over — on video and interviews — saying, ‘I don’t know anything about my son’s business dealings. I’ve never talked to Hunter about his business.'”

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Dec 14, 2023 23:34:29   #
Haski123
 
Justice101 wrote:
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-defense-falls-apart/

Biden has always had a certain penchant for bragging, whether it’s claiming a dead man told him he reached a million miles on Amtrak, being a cross-country trucker or fighting off some “bad dude” named Corn Pop.

But one of those bravado moments may have revealed more than vanity.

Ironically, it’s the one controversial story that appears entirely true.

In a 2018 interview at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged that he unilaterally withheld a billion dollars in US aid from the Ukrainians to force them to fire Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

The Ukrainians balked, but Biden gave them an ultimatum: “I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”

The premise of the story is that Biden took this extraordinary stand because there was little hope for the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine if Shokin remained prosecutor.

That is now questionable.

The Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizes the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee that was handling the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine: “Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee.”

One senior official even complimented Shokin on his progress in fighting corruption.

So Biden was told to deliver on the federal aid but elected to unilaterally demand that Shokin be fired.

When the firing occurred, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma Holdings, an energy firm that paid Hunter Biden a huge amount of money.

The State Department had identified it as a corrupt company engaged in bribery.

Recent testimony from Devon Archer, a business associate of Hunter Biden, revealed that Burisma executives made the removal of Shokin a top priority and raised it with Hunter.

He described how the need to neutralize Shokin was raised with Hunter and how “a call to Washington” was made in response.

President Biden has insisted, “I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. And that’s what we should be focusing on.”

Indeed, that will now be the focus, including the close correlation of the money and demands going to Hunter and the actions of his father.

There is evidence the State Department was alarmed by Hunter’s work and its impact on anti-corruption efforts.

While Joe was portraying his work as fighting corruption, some officials were warning that the Bidens could be part of the problem, not the solution, in Ukraine.

Leading diplomat George Kent wrote then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, “The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine [because] Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules.”

As part of the first impeachment of President Donald Trump, Democrats largely dismissed earlier accounts of these misgivings and portrayed Shokin as a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor perpetuating corruption.

Biden’s Ukrainian Corn Pop story was celebrated as a gutsy moment of leadership.

During the impeachment, Kent said Biden’s demand was consistent with US policy.

Yet we now know the State Department had found progress was being made on corruption and Shokin was praised in private correspondence.

The demand for the replacement of the equivalent of the attorney general in another country is an extraordinary move.

Keep up with today's most important news
Stay up on the very latest with Evening Update.

Enter your email address
By clicking above you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.

We give massive amounts of money to countries with rampant corruption and authoritarian records.

But Biden decided Shokin had to go and used public money to make that happen.

The memo also highlights the flaws in the Trump impeachment.

When I testified before the House Judiciary Committee at the only impeachment hearing, I told the committee it should not depart from history and proceed to an impeachment without fact witnesses on the grounds for impeachment.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and others refused.

It now seems there was material evidence that would have been used at the impeachment trial.

Trump was alleging there was a conflict of interest with the Bidens, and the evidence could have challenged Biden’s account and established his son’s interest in the Shokin firing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/ex-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer-arrives-for-house-deposition/

Archer said during a four-hour House Oversight Committee interview that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings paid Hunter up to $1 million per year to serve on its board because of his family’s “brand.”

Archer met with then-Vice President Joe Biden in April 2014, within days of joining Burisma’s board alongside Hunter, and told lawmakers that “Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it,” according to a readout from panel Republicans.

According to Archer, Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — who allegedly told an FBI informant in 2016 he was “coerced” to pay $10 million in bribes to Hunter and Joe Biden — put intense pressure on Hunter in late 2015 to enlist US support for ousting Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who had investigated Burisma, the Republican readout said.

At one point, Hunter Biden, Zlochevsky and Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi stepped away and “called DC” about the issue, Archer said.

“We wish he could have given us more detailed answers on some of our questions. But what he did provide is massive,” she added. “He provided, as a former business partner of Hunter Biden, that Joe Biden lied to the American people so many times. Joe Biden is on record over and over — on video and interviews — saying, ‘I don’t know anything about my son’s business dealings. I’ve never talked to Hunter about his business.'”
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-d... (show quote)


New York Post is a far right “Opinion” publication. If this is all true and factual I would think some action if deemed illegal would be pursued.

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Dec 14, 2023 23:52:14   #
Justice101
 
Haski123 wrote:
New York Post is a far right “Opinion” publication. If this is all true and factual I would think some action if deemed illegal would be pursued.


The NY Post broke the Hunter laptop story before the 2020 elections. It is proven to be authentic. I guess you don't believe that either because they are a right-leaning source?

I suppose that the Republicans would have to verify the bribery suggested more thoroughly with interviews with the Ukrainians involved and with past members of Obama's cabinet who would know the details of the story in order to include that in the impeachment if that is their intent.

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Dec 15, 2023 03:03:05   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Haski123 wrote:
Ok got it now. I’m sending a paper to my congressman on ways to stop gun violence. As a gun owner, I feel we need to put better controls in place and make emotional healthcare.
more available and approachable( it’s ok to seek help) and maintain gun ownership.
I have a great info card on emotional well-being that could be a good start. I’ll take a pic and send it to you Friday.
Thanks for sharing


Include all of your comments you have made on this site in your "paper to my congressman on ways to stop gun violence."
Then wait for the little yellow bus.

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Dec 15, 2023 15:40:18   #
Big Kahuna
 
Haski123 wrote:
We will see how that one works out. Did you ever have kids or friends who had kids arrested for traffic violation, drugs or other crimes?
Were the parents automatically deemed guilty as well? I think not.
Let’s focus on Trump and Biden not their kids until it’s being litigated that Trump or Biden did something illegal to help there kids. The Biden impeachment investigation recently announced by house ethics committee should shine some light on this subject.


Even Hunter is focusing on his dad saying slo joe is completely innocent and knew nothing about Hunters felonies. If Hunter is focusing on his dad, why can't we focus on both crackhead Hunter's lying statements and slo Joe's lying comments?.

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Dec 15, 2023 15:44:04   #
Big Kahuna
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
Maybe you missed where Joey withheld $1 billion from Ukraine until they fired the prosecutor that was going after Hunters company


Hashki doesn't want to see that. It would ruin his biased opinions.

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Dec 15, 2023 18:31:30   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Justice101 wrote:
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-defense-falls-apart/

Biden has always had a certain penchant for bragging, whether it’s claiming a dead man told him he reached a million miles on Amtrak, being a cross-country trucker or fighting off some “bad dude” named Corn Pop.

But one of those bravado moments may have revealed more than vanity.

Ironically, it’s the one controversial story that appears entirely true.

In a 2018 interview at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden bragged that he unilaterally withheld a billion dollars in US aid from the Ukrainians to force them to fire Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

The Ukrainians balked, but Biden gave them an ultimatum: “I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”

The premise of the story is that Biden took this extraordinary stand because there was little hope for the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine if Shokin remained prosecutor.

That is now questionable.

The Oct. 1, 2015, memo summarizes the recommendation of the Interagency Policy Committee that was handling the anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine: “Ukraine has made sufficient progress on its reform agenda to justify a third guarantee.”

One senior official even complimented Shokin on his progress in fighting corruption.

So Biden was told to deliver on the federal aid but elected to unilaterally demand that Shokin be fired.

When the firing occurred, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma Holdings, an energy firm that paid Hunter Biden a huge amount of money.

The State Department had identified it as a corrupt company engaged in bribery.

Recent testimony from Devon Archer, a business associate of Hunter Biden, revealed that Burisma executives made the removal of Shokin a top priority and raised it with Hunter.

He described how the need to neutralize Shokin was raised with Hunter and how “a call to Washington” was made in response.

President Biden has insisted, “I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. And that’s what we should be focusing on.”

Indeed, that will now be the focus, including the close correlation of the money and demands going to Hunter and the actions of his father.

There is evidence the State Department was alarmed by Hunter’s work and its impact on anti-corruption efforts.

While Joe was portraying his work as fighting corruption, some officials were warning that the Bidens could be part of the problem, not the solution, in Ukraine.

Leading diplomat George Kent wrote then-Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, “The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine [because] Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior with the family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules.”

As part of the first impeachment of President Donald Trump, Democrats largely dismissed earlier accounts of these misgivings and portrayed Shokin as a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor perpetuating corruption.

Biden’s Ukrainian Corn Pop story was celebrated as a gutsy moment of leadership.

During the impeachment, Kent said Biden’s demand was consistent with US policy.

Yet we now know the State Department had found progress was being made on corruption and Shokin was praised in private correspondence.

The demand for the replacement of the equivalent of the attorney general in another country is an extraordinary move.

Keep up with today's most important news
Stay up on the very latest with Evening Update.

Enter your email address
By clicking above you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.

We give massive amounts of money to countries with rampant corruption and authoritarian records.

But Biden decided Shokin had to go and used public money to make that happen.

The memo also highlights the flaws in the Trump impeachment.

When I testified before the House Judiciary Committee at the only impeachment hearing, I told the committee it should not depart from history and proceed to an impeachment without fact witnesses on the grounds for impeachment.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and others refused.

It now seems there was material evidence that would have been used at the impeachment trial.

Trump was alleging there was a conflict of interest with the Bidens, and the evidence could have challenged Biden’s account and established his son’s interest in the Shokin firing.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/ex-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer-arrives-for-house-deposition/

Archer said during a four-hour House Oversight Committee interview that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings paid Hunter up to $1 million per year to serve on its board because of his family’s “brand.”

Archer met with then-Vice President Joe Biden in April 2014, within days of joining Burisma’s board alongside Hunter, and told lawmakers that “Burisma would have gone out of business if ‘the brand’ had not been attached to it,” according to a readout from panel Republicans.

According to Archer, Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — who allegedly told an FBI informant in 2016 he was “coerced” to pay $10 million in bribes to Hunter and Joe Biden — put intense pressure on Hunter in late 2015 to enlist US support for ousting Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who had investigated Burisma, the Republican readout said.

At one point, Hunter Biden, Zlochevsky and Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi stepped away and “called DC” about the issue, Archer said.

“We wish he could have given us more detailed answers on some of our questions. But what he did provide is massive,” she added. “He provided, as a former business partner of Hunter Biden, that Joe Biden lied to the American people so many times. Joe Biden is on record over and over — on video and interviews — saying, ‘I don’t know anything about my son’s business dealings. I’ve never talked to Hunter about his business.'”
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/joe-bidens-ukraine-d... (show quote)


"So Biden was told to deliver on the federal aid but elected to unilaterally demand that Shokin be fired.

When the firing occurred, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma Holdings, an energy firm that paid Hunter Biden a huge amount of money.

The State Department had identified it as a corrupt company engaged in bribery.

Recent testimony from Devon Archer, a business associate of Hunter Biden, revealed that Burisma executives made the removal of Shokin a top priority and raised it with Hunter.

He described how the need to neutralize Shokin was raised with Hunter and how “a call to Washington” was made in response.

President Biden has insisted, “I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. And that’s what we should be focusing on.”"

Yep!

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