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Dec 14, 2023 18:30:54   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
So now the legal system has broken down? Clearly all J6 protesters did not break the law, those that did were arrested and going through court system. How did the videos give you the information that a majority arrested never entered the capital. I can see the ones knocking down barriers and police, breaking windows should be arrested along with many that entered the capital without capital police approval. I expect they are the majority of those arrested . I’ll do some more checking on your majority arrested didn’t enter capital. Ring leaders/planners would be the others that may have not entered the capital.
So now the legal system has broken down? Clearly a... (show quote)



They were peaceful, but did charge capital police after being fired upon, injured.
You ignored my reply, video and audio police cams, proved the police incited the crowd

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Dec 14, 2023 18:33:55   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
It may seem that way but he did accomplish some things. His approach did not bring unity to USA, in fact it made partisan divide stronger and deeper. His my way or the highway, support me or I’ll get you primaried, his


Agreed, but the deep diversity and divide began under Obama. Trumps presence and the lefts meltdowns after the 2016 election was a catalyst and it only took the presence of Trump, with help from the anti-trump media to make things worse

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Dec 14, 2023 18:35:08   #
BIRDMAN
 
EmilyD wrote:
I disagree with you. I have held several positions in my career, and when I didn't follow the boss's company rules, I would have gotten fired. NO question about that in any of the universities I worked at! And then, when I started my own business, I expected my employees to respect my rules and intentions for MY company. They knew they were there at my pleasure, and if I heard them talking badly about the company I would call them in for a meeting and ask them what their problem was. If it was a legitimate problem, I would deal with it, but if it was just them ragging on the company, I would let them go.

The turnover with Trump was from turncoats. They promised Trump loyalty and then stabbed him in the back to save themselves.

He won't let that happen this time. He learned his lesson, and knowing him, he will NOT stand for any nonsense from anyone again!

THAT is why your party is so terrified of him! He's not going to back down,, and his numbers show that Americans WANT that! And that is exactly why your people are trying so desperately and hysterically to keep him from winning next year!! They have secrets they don't want us to know, and Trump knows that...he will continue to do what he did his first term: exposing them for the crooks they are!!!

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Dec 14, 2023 18:36:05   #
Haski123
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Honest question,
Which political man would you trust?
Which modern day president has not been found corrupted, morality in the ditch.
Kennedy had affairs among other findings (compared to today's democrats, Kennedy would be considered a compromising right wing extremist)
Nixon had Watergate
Clinton had affairs and a dozen other corruption events
Bushes, corrupt wars and much more corruption (globalists)
Obama, $ 400,000 per year, owned no large money making businesses, but has hundreds of millions in waterfront homes....we know he took or was paid untold millions, suspiciously for policies/agenda.
Trump, he has pulled some corrupt dozies with his businesses, some executed by his Vp's or managers but if he didn't know, he should have (the buck stops here. Stormy Daniel's, yep that was a bad one. However 12 women claimed sexual abuse/rape but then discovered their mortgages paid off, and/or recieved tens/hundred thousand plus to make false claims (what's true??) Biden, there is evidence (no conviction) like Trump of massive corruption.
To make my point, anyone chosen or voted for in congress/senate/presidential is or will be corrupt, there may be someone 100% clean background, cannot be corrupted, but then they are not running for office.
What's our choice? When the time comes to vote, it's not the voter in most cases being immoral with their voting choice, it is the voter choosing which immoral corrupt one will (hopefully) make choices that are in Americans best interest, will follow through with some or most policies they campaigned on.
Trump had policies I despised, don't personally care for him, do like over a hundred good polices....he wasn't a dictator, depending on party, seems the only answer is, the lessor of the evils in the world we live in.
I'll end this reply with, our leaders over the last 60-80 years, mostly the last , since Bush senior have driven America over a cliff and regardless whom takes office, cannot reverse the slow collapse to what I believe will become a fast collapse.
Honest question, br Which political man would yo... (show quote)


Good comment. History has proven that great organizations and great countries eventually fall. Roman’s, Huns, Alexander the Great Macedonia, Greeks,Germany, Egypt,,Large companies same way. Why -integrity, morality, ethics, huge wealth imbalance, invasion from outside or rebellion from inside.
I agree we are creating slowly the environment for the American experiment to fall.

We need to better vett elected officials, ensure job s are desirable, we need to each search in ourselves truth, morality,respect for others, and ethics. Need to re-establish national patriotism
( I’m scared if we had a war and tried a draft today it would be worse than Vietnam era draft-dodgers, people fleeing, mothers up in arms) a pure disaster. We need to establish a process for more income equality- not sure what that is-trickle down didn’t work, having wealthy pay fair share for SS, other taxes without destroying free enterprise, we have to accept that in this country we should not hesitate to help the poor and aged.
If we do these things by these ideas or others we can length life of our democratic republic experiment!

Thanks for sharing stimulated many thoughts-bigger picture
Cheers!

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Dec 14, 2023 18:36:40   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
I hope some take your advice Haski

Simple concept - trump caused his own problems.


All politicians (my guess 90%) are corrupt in some form, causing their own problems.
Did Trump cause his own problems, most were the constant attacks, aside from anything Trump did.

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Dec 14, 2023 18:44:30   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Good comment. History has proven that great organizations and great countries eventually fall. Roman’s, Huns, Alexander the Great Macedonia, Greeks,Germany, Egypt,,Large companies same way. Why -integrity, morality, ethics, huge wealth imbalance, invasion from outside or rebellion from inside.
I agree we are creating slowly the environment for the American experiment to fall.

We need to better vett elected officials, ensure job s are desirable, we need to each search in ourselves truth, morality,respect for others, and ethics. Need to re-establish national patriotism
( I’m scared if we had a war and tried a draft today it would be worse than Vietnam era draft-dodgers, people fleeing, mothers up in arms) a pure disaster. We need to establish a process for more income equality- not sure what that is-trickle down didn’t work, having wealthy pay fair share for SS, other taxes without destroying free enterprise, we have to accept that in this country we should not hesitate to help the poor and aged.
If we do these things by these ideas or others we can length life of our democratic republic experiment!

Thanks for sharing stimulated many thoughts-bigger picture
Cheers!
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You make an excellent point of past collapses.
It is my understanding, most empires collapsed when morality fell.
We have as a nation, arrived at a fallen morality.

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Dec 14, 2023 18:45:56   #
BIRDMAN
 
Haski123 wrote:
Good comment. History has proven that great organizations and great countries eventually fall. Roman’s, Huns, Alexander the Great Macedonia, Greeks,Germany, Egypt,,Large companies same way. Why -integrity, morality, ethics, huge wealth imbalance, invasion from outside or rebellion from inside.
I agree we are creating slowly the environment for the American experiment to fall.

We need to better vett elected officials, ensure job s are desirable, we need to each search in ourselves truth, morality,respect for others, and ethics. Need to re-establish national patriotism
( I’m scared if we had a war and tried a draft today it would be worse than Vietnam era draft-dodgers, people fleeing, mothers up in arms) a pure disaster. We need to establish a process for more income equality- not sure what that is-trickle down didn’t work, having wealthy pay fair share for SS, other taxes without destroying free enterprise, we have to accept that in this country we should not hesitate to help the poor and aged.
If we do these things by these ideas or others we can length life of our democratic republic experiment!

Thanks for sharing stimulated many thoughts-bigger picture
Cheers!
Good comment. History has proven that great organi... (show quote)


Yes we all have to pay our taxes



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Dec 14, 2023 18:59:17   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
First of all again your name calling of people who disagree with you is immoral, demeaning, and adds no value to the discussion, it’s a bullying technique that is not needed to carry on a civil discussion.

I do not hate Trump and it’s not the Marxist media that made Trump say the lies he’s said, do the illegal things he done and been convicted of or the questionable actions he taken to demonstrate his lack of respect for the law and others. Trump is not a victim, his rhetoric, his questionable deeds led to investigations, evidence enough of wrongdoing, potentially illegal wrongdoing to have grand jury indictments. This is just being held accountable for actions taken, words said.
So this is not hate this is due diligence and accountability.
Plus Trump has News Media that absolutely love him that are portraying him as he wants the victim prosecuted by his enemies.
The partisan division got deeper and stronger under Trump as GOP leader last seven years. 100% support me and my thoughts and my agenda or I’ll get you primaries out.That takes away any compromise builds a huge partisan walk. That’s the only wall he finished and it’s not a good thing.
The statement that hate for Trump built the partisan wall is not correct!Maga deflecting and projecting again what MAGA does to the other side. You have it backwards.
Got to look at both sides then listen to facts and determine where the truth lies. I’ll say the truth lies with three convictions and 91 indictments( guilt or innocence TBD) vs Bidens zero convictions and no indictment to date. I’ll go with the hard true facts .

Trump has earned an accounting for his actions. Time will tell.
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First of all I'm not calling you names because you disagree with me. I'm calling you names because I have developed zero tolerance for you leftist jackasses for good cause, because I don't like anything about you and because you're representative of the domestic enemies that are dumb enough to destroy our Republic all the while thinking you're virtuous. You're not virtuous. I expect you're typical of your brood who believes social justice issues represent the highest calling man can achieve in this age. FYI, I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you.

You claim it's "Trumps lack of respect for the law?" That's laughable, absolutely bizarre compared to the bastardizstion of the rule of law you Leftist have perverted and unleashed against him. You'd do better keeping your thoughts to yourself. You're so thoroughly groomed I can only explain Truth to you. I can’t understand it for you.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:03:43   #
BIRDMAN
 
padremike wrote:
First of all I'm not calling you names because you disagree with me. I'm calling you names because I have developed zero tolerance for you leftist jackasses for good cause, because I don't like anything about you and because you're representative of the domestic enemies that are dumb enough to destroy our Republic all the while thinking you're virtuous. You're not virtuous. I expect you're typical of your brood who believes social justice issues represent the highest calling man can achieve in this age. FYI, I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you.

You claim it's "Trumps lack of respect for the law?" That's laughable, absolutely bizarre compared to the bastardizstion of the rule of law you Leftist have perverted and unleashed against him. You'd do better keeping your thoughts to yourself. You're so thoroughly groomed I can only explain Truth to you. I can’t understand it for you.
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Dec 14, 2023 19:10:47   #
Haski123
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
What actions has Biden done to deserve my respect
Heres a few more, currently jobs high, unemployment low, inflation nearing 3% towards 2% target, infrastructure work in process from bill passage, breaking ground for micro chip mfging in USA, Covid transportation bottleneck eliminated, stock market highest- your investments should be good. Pumping more USA oil than ever.

Still got to get inflation lower, work on border and keep us out of war( three years no war)



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Dec 14, 2023 19:14:51   #
BIRDMAN
 
Haski123 wrote:
Heres a few more, currently jobs high, unemployment low, inflation nearing 3% towards 2% target, infrastructure work in process from bill passage, breaking ground for micro chip mfging in USA, Covid transportation bottleneck eliminated, stock market highest- your investments should be good. Pumping more USA oil than ever.

Still got to get inflation lower, work on border and keep us out of war( three years no war)


If you think inflation is low your mommy must do your grocery shopping

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Dec 14, 2023 19:29:48   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
In my experience I’ve over 40 years working for various companies, I had many bosses, many had opinion surveys each year, those that had two in a row of low employee surveys were moved to other positions or released.
Trump had a four year survey and his actions on the job got him voted out.

I good boss doesn’t demand loyalty or respect, they earn it through their actions and interactions, . Your boss description would be one of those bosses fired in two years as Trump was in four.
Check out the indictments in Trumps staff. If you look up staff turnover Trump is number one with his hand picked best ever as he touted staff.
No democrats, no media created Trumps issues he did it himself with his negative rhetoric, not listening to his staff recommendations ( In Bob Woodward tape-I decide what I think is best. All decisions are mine-regardless of any staff recommendation's), and questionable actions.
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You want to present the job as POTUS on par with the President of a huge major corporation. How foolish. Lock your heels together and pay attention. The job and title of POTUS automatically requires respect. With the responsibility of an entire nation in his hands and much of the free world too, its not adaptive to a laissez-faire management style. He hires people he hopes will give him good counsel and if they don't he fires them. If he discovers back stabbers, people drilling holes in his ship of state, he fires them with prejudice. It's a job that demands immediate respect and loyalty from subordinates and if someone can't give it then quit before you're fired. Truth be told, Trump didn't fire enough people fast enough. One of the complaints staff had against Trump was that he started work early and stayed late. Two things hurt Trump's presidency more than anything else, Marxist Democrats and their press and Covid; he was not responsible for creating eather.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:42:57   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
First of all I'm not calling you names because you disagree with me. I'm calling you names because I have developed zero tolerance for you leftist jackasses for good cause, because I don't like anything about you and because you're representative of the domestic enemies that are dumb enough to destroy our Republic all the while thinking you're virtuous. You're not virtuous. I expect you're typical of your brood who believes social justice issues represent the highest calling man can achieve in this age. FYI, I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you.

You claim it's "Trumps lack of respect for the law?" That's laughable, absolutely bizarre compared to the bastardizstion of the rule of law you Leftist have perverted and unleashed against him. You'd do better keeping your thoughts to yourself. You're so thoroughly groomed I can only explain Truth to you. I can’t understand it for you.
First of all I'm not calling you names because you... (show quote)


So demeaning over 80M people with your cussing and name calling and judging of others- that will go along ways to continuing civil discussion of issues and working to make USA better.

Related to Trump from 2026 campaign to today his negative rhetoric, his demand for absolute loyalty to him, the fact that his Republican associates that are mostly the ones testifying against him and his questionably legal ( maybe illegal- courts will tell) action prior, during and til today he has targeted himself.

Trump didn’t need media( grand juries who investigated him didn’t get fact/ evidence from the news, they found Trumps actions provided sufficient evidence to indict and prosecute himself. Trump University convicted of fraud, Trump NY business- summary judgement guilty of fraud trial ongoing to determine penalties, Convicted of defamation and sexual abuse- Jean Carroll case. 91 indictments pending.

Where are the indictments against Joe Biden? Trump utilised DOJ to get him out of prosecution from Mueller investigations, and majority in House to stifle J6 findings and sway impeachment( very close vote in Senate).
You appear to be projecting Trumps attempted use of government agencies to cover his misdeeds to Joe Biden.

Again your words with no examples just your opinion make easy for me to say:
Your description of me is inaccurate with no factual support, . I could change paragraph one to rightest and me to you , and it just as easily be true( I don’t like swearing , name calling as it’s rude, demeaning, immoral and non value add.

Same for your second paragraph just change leftist to rightist and it could be as true.

You don’t know me and I don’t know you so saying you do and calling me names and categorising me and others and judging solely based on these posts is inaccurate.

I provide facts that show Trump is fraudulent, King of Lies- in previous post, defamer and sexual abuser. All you provide are things on Biden’s son, no indictments or impeachments( Biden impeachment inquiry recently announced).
Same with election denial, I post tons of facts, you show none or outdated debunked conspiracy theories.

I have facts you have feelings. You are entitled to them and if these facts can’t even get “those facts are true” response at all, vs deflect to other issues, deflect to feelings based on what appears to be your far right only info sources( I look at both sides to get varying points of view then make my own opinion.), the. Stick with your unsupported opinion and I’ll agree to disagree and stick with my fact supported opinion.

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Dec 14, 2023 19:53:22   #
facts matter
 
EmilyD wrote:
That last sentence was directed at you, not Trump! Lol!

Do you realize how stupid it looks for you to say that the same people have charged Trump 91 times? The party that is trying to rig the next election - already is - by throwing so many things at him at once (many of which happened a long time ago) that they think that ONE of their lies about him might just do the trick and get rid of him so he can't win next year? Why have they waited in some cases more than TEN YEARS to charge him with things, but suddenly feel the need to bring them up NOW...during the year that he is campaigning to return to the White House?

That is the reality that Americans are seeing with this farce.

Here's another one for you to think about: NONE of this would have happened if he weren't running for office.

If you don't think your party is trying to cheat Trump out of another term in office (again), you are deluding yourself.
That last sentence was directed at you, not Trump!... (show quote)


trump took documents he had no right to and refused to give them back, then had his lawyer sign an affidavit claiming he gave them back, but still had them. He conspired to discount the peoples vote. And he committed fraud. He's not a victim, he's a criminal.

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Dec 14, 2023 20:07:11   #
BIRDMAN
 
facts matter wrote:
trump took documents he had no right to and refused to give them back, then had his lawyer sign an affidavit claiming he gave them back, but still had them. He conspired to discount the peoples vote. And he committed fraud. He's not a victim, he's a criminal.


Why did a vice president have classified docs that he was not supposed to have

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