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Dec 14, 2023 15:36:38   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
facts matter wrote:
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" George Santayana.
The only tool we have to predict the future, is the past. Maybe you're willing to take a chance on an individual who shows no sign of changing his self serving ways, but I'm not.


Judging by the "past" 3+ years, I can't afford to re-live those for 4 more.

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Dec 14, 2023 16:40:32   #
Haski123
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
144000 hours prove false convictions and majority arrested, never entered the capital.


So now the legal system has broken down? Clearly all J6 protesters did not break the law, those that did were arrested and going through court system. How did the videos give you the information that a majority arrested never entered the capital. I can see the ones knocking down barriers and police, breaking windows should be arrested along with many that entered the capital without capital police approval. I expect they are the majority of those arrested . I’ll do some more checking on your majority arrested didn’t enter capital. Ring leaders/planners would be the others that may have not entered the capital.

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Dec 14, 2023 16:46:47   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
Haski123 wrote:
So now the legal system has broken down? Clearly all J6 protesters did not break the law, those that did were arrested and going through court system. How did the videos give you the information that a majority arrested never entered the capital. I can see the ones knocking down barriers and police, breaking windows should be arrested along with many that entered the capital without capital police approval. I expect they are the majority of those arrested . I’ll do some more checking on your majority arrested didn’t enter capital. Ring leaders/planners would be the others that may have not entered the capital.
So now the legal system has broken down? Clearly a... (show quote)


I was not arrested wether you like it or not .......

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Dec 14, 2023 17:02:40   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
Christ will judge Trump also for the good he has done while you only judge his sins.


It may seem that way but he did accomplish some things. His approach did not bring unity to USA, in fact it made partisan divide stronger and deeper. His my way or the highway, support me or I’ll get you primaried, his

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Dec 14, 2023 17:13:15   #
Haski123
 
Haski123 wrote:
It may seem that way but he did accomplish some things. His approach did not bring unity to USA, in fact it made partisan divide stronger and deeper. His my way or the highway, support me or I’ll get you primaried, his

Continued: his say something contrary to my thoughts I’ll fire you-Trump appointed election security director, , many other supporters that aren’t fully loyal not promoted or moved to lesser roles. Trump had the highest staff turnover in history of USA and highest Staff indictments. Trump had alot of firsts some good many not good.

He has demonstrated he is not the person that should be ever running this country again. His miss deeds far outweigh his good deeds. His negative, attacking rhetoric, along with his retribution policy/plans, his view that he makes all decisions and knows more than his staff/cabinet thus doesn’t listen well to their recommendations. All say he has demonstrated is is not a good leader, team builder across the USA only for him and his supporters.

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Dec 14, 2023 17:20:17   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
Christ will judge Trump also for the good he has done while you only judge his sins.

My view is:
God will judge Trump for all he’s done good or bad and will forgive him for his sins.

I don’t judge I just review facts of rhetoric, actions , plans and accomplishments then decide by what has been demonstrated by individual ( along with outside independents-IE: Historian who rate Trump using set criteria 41st of 45 best President ) to determine if I support or not.

If you had a football team of 45 players would you likely vote 41th highest contributor to team captain-I think not!

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Dec 14, 2023 17:22:37   #
Haski123
 
XXX wrote:
I was not arrested wether you like it or not .......


Did you break the law? What’s your point ? More should have been arrested as some got away?
If you broke the law you should’ve been arrested.

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Dec 14, 2023 17:22:43   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
It may seem that way but he did accomplish some things. His approach did not bring unity to USA, in fact it made partisan divide stronger and deeper. His my way or the highway, support me or I’ll get you primaried, his


Where the bloody hell do you keep your head, the one with the flat forehead? Your DNC State Controlled Marxist Media from day one attacked Trump 24/7 with their lies and inuendoes and created jackasses like you to hate Trump and keep America divided. I have to defer to our man Blade who crafted the Truth better than any other thing I have read anywhere. He said:

"The Donald Trump the left hates so viciously is a media construct, a caricature, a false image of a man anyone would hate. They paint their picture of him as the most evil man that ever existed. They hate him more than the Jews hated der Fuhrer. As I see it, they're doing the work of the devil. And, one day, there will be a Reckoning."

He described you perfectly. You're the partisans, you're the dividers, you're the people who could not afford for Trump to succeed but he did in spite of all your efforts and continuing persecutions. Because he resisted your BS and fought against you he's the divider. You're nuts.

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Dec 14, 2023 17:22:52   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
It may seem that way but he did accomplish some things. His approach did not bring unity to USA, in fact it made partisan divide stronger and deeper. His my way or the highway, support me or I’ll get you primaried, his


Any good boss will demand loyalty from his employees. Many employers would say they agree with the "my way or the highway" philosophy. It's the boss' company, and they are his rules. And if you don't like the boss's rules, get out of his way and his company.

Trump was the boss of this country. He expected loyalty from his cabinet and the agencies they represented. He made the rules, and he expected them to be followed....he was in charge of our homes, our lives, our jobs, our children.....the whole COUNTRY!!

The attacks and harassment that he has gone through at the hands of his political opponents are phenomenal. No one has ever been subjected to the type of torment he has been put through.

And yet he perseveres. He goes on. He doesn't back down. We want a leader like this - one who won't back down under pressure from our enemies. Won't back down when his home is raided. Won't back down when his political opponents frame him with made-up "crimes". We want a self-confident person who demands that his subordinates listen to him and do things the way he wants them done! We don't want a wishy-washy mushroom of a president who doesn't know where he is, can hardly walk or talk and cares nothing about what the people in the country he is in charge of want....or need.

What we need is for Trump to get back in the saddle and do what he does best - FIX things!

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Dec 14, 2023 17:56:44   #
Haski123
 
padremike wrote:
Where the bloody hell do you keep your head, the one with the flat forehead? Your DNC State Controlled Marxist Media from day one attacked Trump 24/7 with their lies and inuendoes and created jackasses like you to hate Trump and keep America divided. I have to defer to our man Blade who crafted the Truth better than any other thing I have read anywhere. He said:

"The Donald Trump the left hates so viciously is a media construct, a caricature, a false image of a man anyone would hate. They paint their picture of him as the most evil man that ever existed. They hate him more than the Jews hated der Fuhrer. As I see it, they're doing the work of the devil. And, one day, there will be a Reckoning."

He described you perfectly. You're the partisans, you're the dividers, you're the people who could not afford for Trump to succeed but he did in spite of all your efforts and continuing persecutions. Because he resisted your BS and fought against you he's the divider. You're nuts.
Where the bloody hell do you keep your head, the o... (show quote)


First of all again your name calling of people who disagree with you is immoral, demeaning, and adds no value to the discussion, it’s a bullying technique that is not needed to carry on a civil discussion.

I do not hate Trump and it’s not the Marxist media that made Trump say the lies he’s said, do the illegal things he done and been convicted of or the questionable actions he taken to demonstrate his lack of respect for the law and others. Trump is not a victim, his rhetoric, his questionable deeds led to investigations, evidence enough of wrongdoing, potentially illegal wrongdoing to have grand jury indictments. This is just being held accountable for actions taken, words said.
So this is not hate this is due diligence and accountability.
Plus Trump has News Media that absolutely love him that are portraying him as he wants the victim prosecuted by his enemies.
The partisan division got deeper and stronger under Trump as GOP leader last seven years. 100% support me and my thoughts and my agenda or I’ll get you primaries out.That takes away any compromise builds a huge partisan walk. That’s the only wall he finished and it’s not a good thing.
The statement that hate for Trump built the partisan wall is not correct!Maga deflecting and projecting again what MAGA does to the other side. You have it backwards.
Got to look at both sides then listen to facts and determine where the truth lies. I’ll say the truth lies with three convictions and 91 indictments( guilt or innocence TBD) vs Bidens zero convictions and no indictment to date. I’ll go with the hard true facts .

Trump has earned an accounting for his actions. Time will tell.



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Dec 14, 2023 17:57:55   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can vote in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)


Honest question,
Which political man would you trust?
Which modern day president has not been found corrupted, morality in the ditch.
Kennedy had affairs among other findings (compared to today's democrats, Kennedy would be considered a compromising right wing extremist)
Nixon had Watergate
Clinton had affairs and a dozen other corruption events
Bushes, corrupt wars and much more corruption (globalists)
Obama, $ 400,000 per year, owned no large money making businesses, but has hundreds of millions in waterfront homes....we know he took or was paid untold millions, suspiciously for policies/agenda.
Trump, he has pulled some corrupt dozies with his businesses, some executed by his Vp's or managers but if he didn't know, he should have (the buck stops here. Stormy Daniel's, yep that was a bad one. However 12 women claimed sexual abuse/rape but then discovered their mortgages paid off, and/or recieved tens/hundred thousand plus to make false claims (what's true??) Biden, there is evidence (no conviction) like Trump of massive corruption.
To make my point, anyone chosen or voted for in congress/senate/presidential is or will be corrupt, there may be someone 100% clean background, cannot be corrupted, but then they are not running for office.
What's our choice? When the time comes to vote, it's not the voter in most cases being immoral with their voting choice, it is the voter choosing which immoral corrupt one will (hopefully) make choices that are in Americans best interest, will follow through with some or most policies they campaigned on.
Trump had policies I despised, don't personally care for him, do like over a hundred good polices....he wasn't a dictator, depending on party, seems the only answer is, the lessor of the evils in the world we live in.
I'll end this reply with, our leaders over the last 60-80 years, mostly the last , since Bush senior have driven America over a cliff and regardless whom takes office, cannot reverse the slow collapse to what I believe will become a fast collapse.

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Dec 14, 2023 18:00:08   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Haski123 wrote:
First of all again your name calling of people who disagree with you is immoral, demeaning, and adds no value to the discussion, it’s a bullying technique that is not needed to carry on a civil discussion.

I do not hate Trump and it’s not the Marxist media that made Trump say the lies he’s said, do the illegal things he done and been convicted of or the questionable actions he taken to demonstrate his lack of respect for the law and others. Trump is not a victim, his rhetoric, his questionable deeds led to investigations, evidence enough of wrongdoing, potentially illegal wrongdoing to have grand jury indictments. This is just being held accountable for actions taken, words said.
So this is not hate this is due diligence and accountability.
Plus Trump has News Media that absolutely love him that are portraying him as he wants the victim prosecuted by his enemies.
The partisan division got deeper and stronger under Trump as GOP leader last seven years. 100% support me and my thoughts and my agenda or I’ll get you primaries out.That takes away any compromise builds a huge partisan walk. That’s the only wall he finished and it’s not a good thing.
The statement that hate for Trump built the partisan wall is not correct!Maga deflecting and projecting again what MAGA does to the other side. You have it backwards.
Got to look at both sides then listen to facts and determine where the truth lies. I’ll say the truth lies with three convictions and 91 indictments( guilt or innocence TBD) vs Bidens zero convictions and no indictment to date. I’ll go with the hard true facts .

Trump has earned an accounting for his actions. Time will tell.
First of all again your name calling of people who... (show quote)


I hope some take your advice Haski

Simple concept - trump caused his own problems.

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Dec 14, 2023 18:12:26   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Any good boss will demand loyalty from his employees. Many employers would say they agree with the "my way or the highway" philosophy. It's the boss' company, and they are his rules. And if you don't like the boss's rules, get out of his way and his company.

Trump was the boss of this country. He expected loyalty from his cabinet and the agencies they represented. He made the rules, and he expected them to be followed....he was in charge of our homes, our lives, our jobs, our children.....the whole COUNTRY!!

The attacks and harassment that he has gone through at the hands of his political opponents are phenomenal. No one has ever been subjected to the type of torment he has been put through.

And yet he perseveres. He goes on. He doesn't back down. We want a leader like this - one who won't back down under pressure from our enemies. Won't back down when his home is raided. Won't back down when his political opponents frame him with made-up "crimes". We want a self-confident person who demands that his subordinates listen to him and do things the way he wants them done! We don't want a wishy-washy mushroom of a president who doesn't know where he is, can hardly walk or talk and cares nothing about what the people in the country he is in charge of want....or need.

What we need is for Trump to get back in the saddle and do what he does best - FIX things!
Any good boss will demand loyalty from his employe... (show quote)


In my experience I’ve over 40 years working for various companies, I had many bosses, many had opinion surveys each year, those that had two in a row of low employee surveys were moved to other positions or released.
Trump had a four year survey and his actions on the job got him voted out.

I good boss doesn’t demand loyalty or respect, they earn it through their actions and interactions, . Your boss description would be one of those bosses fired in two years as Trump was in four.
Check out the indictments in Trumps staff. If you look up staff turnover Trump is number one with his hand picked best ever as he touted staff.
No democrats, no media created Trumps issues he did it himself with his negative rhetoric, not listening to his staff recommendations ( In Bob Woodward tape-I decide what I think is best. All decisions are mine-regardless of any staff recommendation's), and questionable actions.



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Dec 14, 2023 18:20:40   #
BIRDMAN
 
Haski123 wrote:
In my experience I’ve over 40 years working for various companies, I had many bosses, many had opinion surveys each year, those that had two in a row of low employee surveys were moved to other positions or released.
Trump had a four year survey and his actions on the job got him voted out.

I good boss doesn’t demand loyalty or respect, they earn it through their actions and interactions, . Your boss description would be one of those bosses fired in two years as Trump was in four.
Check out the indictments in Trumps staff. If you look up staff turnover Trump is number one with his hand picked best ever as he touted staff.
No democrats, no media created Trumps issues he did it himself with his negative rhetoric, not listening to his staff recommendations ( In Bob Woodward tape-I decide what I think is best. All decisions are mine-regardless of any staff recommendation's), and questionable actions.
In my experience I’ve over 40 years working for va... (show quote)


What actions has Biden done to deserve my respect

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Dec 14, 2023 18:26:04   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
In my experience I’ve over 40 years working for various companies, I had many bosses, many had opinion surveys each year, those that had two in a row of low employee surveys were moved to other positions or released.
Trump had a four year survey and his actions on the job got him voted out.

I good boss doesn’t demand loyalty or respect, they earn it through their actions and interactions, . Your boss description would be one of those bosses fired in two years as Trump was in four.
Check out the indictments in Trumps staff. If you look up staff turnover Trump is number one with his hand picked best ever as he touted staff.
No democrats, no media created Trumps issues he did it himself with his negative rhetoric, not listening to his staff recommendations ( In Bob Woodward tape-I decide what I think is best. All decisions are mine-regardless of any staff recommendation's), and questionable actions.
In my experience I’ve over 40 years working for va... (show quote)

I disagree with you. I have held several positions in my career, and when I didn't follow the boss's company rules, I would have gotten fired. NO question about that in any of the universities I worked at! And then, when I started my own business, I expected my employees to respect my rules and intentions for MY company. They knew they were there at my pleasure, and if I heard them talking badly about the company I would call them in for a meeting and ask them what their problem was. If it was a legitimate problem, I would deal with it, but if it was just them ragging on the company, I would let them go.

The turnover with Trump was from turncoats. They promised Trump loyalty and then stabbed him in the back to save themselves.

He won't let that happen this time. He learned his lesson, and knowing him, he will NOT stand for any nonsense from anyone again!

THAT is why your party is so terrified of him! He's not going to back down,, and his numbers show that Americans WANT that! And that is exactly why your people are trying so desperately and hysterically to keep him from winning next year!! They have secrets they don't want us to know, and Trump knows that...he will continue to do what he did his first term: exposing them for the crooks they are!!!

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