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Dec 14, 2023 13:07:25   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing political fact checking. Facts are facts, alternate facts are lies,
With different groups checking most are consistent, they are all accurate ( unless their info the source is compromised). How many fact checker levels would make you believe?
They also state sources and how they get info, once they start making conclusions or interpretation they would then go beyond just facts.

Example: Trump told us Covid is under control only a few cases and it will go away. At same time he told Bob Woodward this is serious people can die. These two statements don’t match . Facts are he said opposite things to two groups at the same time. Both statements are factually made, one was a known lie at the time.
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing politica... (show quote)


You know that old argument about Trump telling us Covid is under control has been debunked about a million times now. Trump told us what he was being told by who he thought were experts in medical issues.

Trump is NOT a doctor or a researcher or a scientist. And he said so at the time, and that is why he appointed Vice President Pence to form a team of MEDICAL EXPERTS to handle the Covid crisis.....and THOSE were the people who were telling Trump what to tell us was going on.

Why can't you accept that fact?

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Dec 14, 2023 13:09:14   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
facts matter wrote:
The problem, padre, is that trump is unrepentant. He's admitted to never seeking forgiveness, or offering apologies. He has neither humility or empathy. He puts his needs above all others and is not worthy of your admiration.


actually what he said was this "as reported by CNN"

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

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Dec 14, 2023 13:28:03   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding source for changes happening and what level is good or evil, what level is acceptable or not in a democratic republic and then what can be done to change to more positive flow is a tough question.
To put the burden on Government and Government leaders I don’t think is the entire answer. Ancient Rome tried to regulate morality it didn’t work then and trying to do that now I don’t feel will work either.
I don’t have the answer. I just try to listen, learn, research understand and lead and demonstrate my beliefs by my words and actions.
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding sourc... (show quote)


Christians are pretty clear about what is going on. If you don't subscribe to that, that's your prerogative, but - in my opinion - you are not seeing that bigger picture I mentioned above. We believe that a spiritual war is ramping up. I've heard people say it here. I've heard people say it at the Bible study and other town meetings I go to. I've heard it in many places...and I see it with my own eyes!

Biden may be sitting around eating ice cream and telling untrue things about himself, but the people who are actually running this country are trashing it right in front of our noses! A wide open border, homeless living in tents all across our nation, people struggling to make ends meet because of higher prices on everything, crime up in numbers we've NEVER seen before in America, little babies being tortured and sucked out of their mother's wombs, schools trying to transform our children into zombies who can't think for themselves. How can people NOT see these evil, terrible things that are happening on a daily basis in America???

I know that answer: Because they are weak from living in darkness, and from the blinds that have been placed over their eyes.

This is going to get worse...MUCH worse. It's only just beginning!

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Dec 14, 2023 13:30:51   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
facts matter wrote:
The problem, padre, is that trump is unrepentant. He's admitted to never seeking forgiveness, or offering apologies. He has neither humility or empathy. He puts his needs above all others and is not worthy of your admiration.


You are such a stupid evil man to presume your hatred of Trump entitles you to make these judgments. Doing so allows someone who hates you with the greatest of all hate to encourage you to continue, Satan himself. You're judging Trump on past sins, before he became president, sin that your groomers intentionally revealed to the world to encourage others to judge and hate Trump as much as you do. It's not because they hate the sins, it's because they hate Trump.. They've succeeded with you and millions of others who are just as simple minded as yourself. How much scrutiny would your own sins stand up to public scrutany as have Trumps? I don't want my own revealed to anyone except He who has the power, love and authority to forgive them.

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Dec 14, 2023 13:33:55   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Additional response:
Your source Blaze is a far right ultra conservative bias and is an opinion article by one of Blaze writers.
That said I read it read both left and right media articles and some MSM sources and decide where truth credibility exists.



Watching Fox, OAN, NEWS MAX, then CNN, MSN, ABC,NBC,CBS and deciding the truth is kinda what I used to do, but extremely unreliable, because of personal bias.
Looking at alternative news that more often than not, reports on specific issues or events and often quotes from the horses mouth, (unedited) audio/video, government sites using statistics the mainstream media ignores to spin a (believable) narrative.
Example; economic, food Shortages, live farmers interviews about the tens of millions fowl/cattle/pigs culled for disease but never tested for disease and farmers paid over market prices, in the war (Biden Administration) against farmers/ranchers, in the name of green houses cases.
Not a peep in mainstream media, or at best a 20 second "Chickens found with bird flu culled for public safety" without conformation, investigation, just passing on what is written in their script.
You want facts, turn off propaganda TV news and begin finding alternative news.
FYI; Alternative news, does not equal conspiracy theories, but when put out in discussions, sure sounds like it, since mainstream has its own narratives and often the truth is just to unbelievable.

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Dec 14, 2023 13:39:04   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding source for changes happening and what level is good or evil, what level is acceptable or not in a democratic republic and then what can be done to change to more positive flow is a tough question.
To put the burden on Government and Government leaders I don’t think is the entire answer. Ancient Rome tried to regulate morality it didn’t work then and trying to do that now I don’t feel will work either.
I don’t have the answer. I just try to listen, learn, research understand and lead and demonstrate my beliefs by my words and actions.
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding sourc... (show quote)


America for the greater part used the ten commandments as a moral guide.
Fast forward today, the newer generation's, follow an individual moral standard, not a herd moral standard.

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Dec 14, 2023 13:52:45   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
facts matter wrote:
I spent the first 65 years of my life living in Brooklyn and Nassau until my retirement earlier this year. Most of you only know of trump since "the apprentice". He's a liar and conman, and never does anything unless there's something in it for him. He feels he is above apologies, forgiveness, and the law. He truly has zero redeeming qualities and is a stain on humanity.


It's a good thing you were attached to him by the hip. When did this become a problem for you as a democrat? Was it when the left was vieing to have him on their talk shows, writing songs about him, singing his praises or was it after he dumped the DNC? And knowing how he feels, all of his human qualities and what he believes, I guess you get that from your crystal ball or mind reading abilities. ahahhahaha, you guys crack me the f..k up!

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Dec 14, 2023 13:56:55   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing political fact checking. Facts are facts, alternate facts are lies,
With different groups checking most are consistent, they are all accurate ( unless their info the source is compromised). How many fact checker levels would make you believe?
They also state sources and how they get info, once they start making conclusions or interpretation they would then go beyond just facts.

Example: Trump told us Covid is under control only a few cases and it will go away. At same time he told Bob Woodward this is serious people can die. These two statements don’t match . Facts are he said opposite things to two groups at the same time. Both statements are factually made, one was a known lie at the time.
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing politica... (show quote)



Who told you fact checkers are reliable?
I'm shocked the NY times (left biased) wrote this.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/

And this

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/fact-check-fact-checkers-falsely-claim-they-are-fact-checkers

Another

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

I was being kind suggesting alternative news, these often bust fact checkers and as I stated, Mainstream media be it, left or right do lie and lie often, also state "fact checked" only later to learn, the fact check site they used, never actually fact checked but only did a cursory biased check.

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Dec 14, 2023 14:01:36   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Haski123 wrote:
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing political fact checking. Facts are facts, alternate facts are lies,
With different groups checking most are consistent, they are all accurate ( unless their info the source is compromised). How many fact checker levels would make you believe?
They also state sources and how they get info, once they start making conclusions or interpretation they would then go beyond just facts.

Example: Trump told us Covid is under control only a few cases and it will go away. At same time he told Bob Woodward this is serious people can die. These two statements don’t match . Facts are he said opposite things to two groups at the same time. Both statements are factually made, one was a known lie at the time.
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing politica... (show quote)


Fauci told us we didn't need a mask, wear a mask, no wear two and he's the doctor. Why are't you pissed at him. Nancy, Newsom and what's his face in NY, all told us to mask up and not congregate in crowds but were out getting their hair done, eating at fancy restaurants and meeting with contractors. Where's your anger and indignation at these four. All Democrats, all liars and hypocrites.

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Dec 14, 2023 14:10:10   #
Haski123
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Did I miss something, was Trump found guilty of J6?
Oh wait, 144,000 hours of evert inch inside and outside, cameras of the capital, vindicated Trump.
Was Trump found guilty of lying about election fraud?
Wait, the found 30 voting systems connected to modems, but dominion says there machines cannot be connected to the internet.
Forensic audit t
Released shows mathematical impossibility of irregularities, votes turned from Trump to Biden.

Wake up from your darkness
Did I miss something, was Trump found guilty of J... (show quote)

Ditto:
Trump was not found guilty of J6 yet, but, 1000’s of his followers were charged and 100’s convicted for J6.
Trump is convicted of fraud(Trump University scandal, & NY -summary conviction determining penalties), Trump convicted of defamation and sexual abuse-Jean Carroll. Trump has numerous indictments pending.
Your view that 144,000 hours of video vindicated Trump with J6 trial still pending and numerous J6 convictions to date-I would set your statement is premature and opinionated at best.
The 30-36 voting machine found hooked to modems was in Feb of 2020 , prior to election, officials were notified and most if not all were requested to be disconnected or election would not be certified. 35 is like one or two large cities-cities in question were audited or count verified to paper ballots-conspiracy theory. Dominion said they didn’t hook them up to units unless asked local governments to speed communications or results which was deemed inappropriate.
Mathematics shows irregularities, there are irregularities in ever election, but initial certification of process as sound, audits, recounts pre and post validation of results from machine counts to manual indicated NO FRAUD or IRREGULARITIES that would change 2020 election results.
After three plus years of no proof of election being stolen from Trump, Dominion reaching huge out of court settlement with Fox for defamation, numerous lawyers and Trump litigation pending you need to accept the facts Trump lost a legitimate certified election!

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Dec 14, 2023 14:20:12   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Ditto:
Trump was not found guilty of J6 yet, but, 1000’s of his followers were charged and 100’s convicted for J6.
Trump is convicted of fraud(Trump University scandal, & NY -summary conviction determining penalties), Trump convicted of defamation and sexual abuse-Jean Carroll. Trump has numerous indictments pending.
Your view that 144,000 hours of video vindicated Trump with J6 trial still pending and numerous J6 convictions to date-I would set your statement is premature and opinionated at best.
The 30-36 voting machine found hooked to modems was in Feb of 2020 , prior to election, officials were notified and most if not all were requested to be disconnected or election would not be certified. 35 is like one or two large cities-cities in question were audited or count verified to paper ballots-conspiracy theory. Dominion said they didn’t hook them up to units unless asked local governments to speed communications or results which was deemed inappropriate.
Mathematics shows irregularities, there are irregularities in ever election, but initial certification of process as sound, audits, recounts pre and post validation of results from machine counts to manual indicated NO FRAUD or IRREGULARITIES that would change 2020 election results.
After three plus years of no proof of election being stolen from Trump, Dominion reaching huge out of court settlement with Fox for defamation, numerous lawyers and Trump litigation pending you need to accept the facts Trump lost a legitimate certified election!
Ditto: br Trump was not found guilty of J6 yet, bu... (show quote)



144000 hours prove false convictions and majority arrested, never entered the capital.

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Dec 14, 2023 14:26:38   #
Haski123
 
EmilyD wrote:
Whether Trump is repentant or not today has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with Trump and God.....and no one else. Trump's time on earth is not finished, and for you to judge his future based on what he is today is something you are not capable of doing! No one but God can do that.

You arrogant people think you can sit there and tell the world which of us are evil and good! It amazes me that there are people like you who think your 💩 doesn't stink because you believe you know it all!

You don't.

And you should humble yourself with that FACT.
Whether Trump is repentant or not today has nothin... (show quote)

Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can vote in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.

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Dec 14, 2023 14:53:58   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can vote in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)


Christ will judge Trump also for the good he has done while you only judge his sins.

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Dec 14, 2023 15:04:10   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can vote in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)

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Dec 14, 2023 15:14:05   #
EmilyD
 
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can vote in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)

That last sentence was directed at you, not Trump! Lol!

Do you realize how stupid it looks for you to say that the same people have charged Trump 91 times? The party that is trying to rig the next election - already is - by throwing so many things at him at once (many of which happened a long time ago) that they think that ONE of their lies about him might just do the trick and get rid of him so he can't win next year? Why have they waited in some cases more than TEN YEARS to charge him with things, but suddenly feel the need to bring them up NOW...during the year that he is campaigning to return to the White House?

That is the reality that Americans are seeing with this farce.

Here's another one for you to think about: NONE of this would have happened if he weren't running for office.

If you don't think your party is trying to cheat Trump out of another term in office (again), you are deluding yourself.

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