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I thought you can't run for President of the United States unless you were born here
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Nov 30, 2023 19:42:11   #
Liberty Tree
 
proud republican wrote:
No both parents were from Turkey..


But had they become American citizens?

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Nov 30, 2023 20:33:40   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
obama in Kenya


But lied and said Hawaii, which we all know was a lie, he's calling all the shots now ! You know it ain't biden.......!! 😄

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Nov 30, 2023 22:52:23   #
pescado rojo
 
XXX wrote:
Democrats for you. Can't follow the law.


8 USC 1401. A person born abroad with one US citizen parent is a birth citizen of the US.

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Nov 30, 2023 22:59:18   #
pescado rojo
 
pegw wrote:
True. If you are not born in the US you can't become president. Chenk Uygur and Ted Cruz are in this category.


You are mistaken, as usual. If you knew how to research US law other than via Media Matters you would find that according to 8 USC 1401, anyone born abroad to a US citizen parent is considered a birth citizen (natural born) of this country. There is no difference legally between birth citizen and natural born citizen. The theory that "natural born" means born here to US citizen parents is one that was put forth by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, who wrote Law of Nations and who died in 1768 without ever having set foot in what were then the British colonies. His contention has no basis in US law.

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Nov 30, 2023 23:18:51   #
Justice101
 
pegw wrote:
True. If you are not born in the US you can't become president. Chenk Uygur and Ted Cruz are in this category.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/12/where-was-ted-cruz-born-citizenship-presidential-debate
His father was born in Cuba and was not a US citizen at the time of Cruz’s birth. But his mother, Eleanor, was an American, born in Delaware, who never gave up her US citizenship. According to Cruz’s campaign, she lived in Canada under a work permit and at no point applied for Canadian citizenship or permanent residence.

Cruz instantly acquired US citizenship when born and moved to the United States at the age of four. In 2013 he released his birth certificate – which prompted the Dallas Morning News to discover that the Texas senator was also a citizen of Canada based on his birthplace. Cruz, who said he was until then unaware of his dual status, subsequently renounced his Canadian citizenship.

So is he eligible to run for president?
Among the qualifications to run for president of the United States is the requirement that a candidate must be a “natural born Citizen”. Most legal experts have interpreted that to be anyone who is a citizen at birth and who did not need to undergo a naturalization process to obtain citizenship – a definition under which Cruz would qualify.

In a Harvard Law Review article, two former solicitor generals, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, wrote: “Despite the happenstance of a birth across the border, there is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”

But some have pointed out that the supreme court has never addressed the question of eligibility for those seeking the presidency as it pertains to citizenship. It was unlikely that the courts would even take up such a case, experts say, and it would be difficult for a citizen seeking to legally challenge a candidate’s qualifications to prove standing.

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Dec 1, 2023 07:23:15   #
Radiance3
 
proud republican wrote:
Mr Cenk Uygur Co-founder of Young Turks was not born here ( Instambul, Turkey), yet he is running for President of the United States on Democrat side..

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4327418-democratic-presidential-candidate-cenk-uygur-raises-250k/

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Muslims want to take over the world. That is their goal. Their god wants to kill the infidels who don't submit!

Kamala Harris was born in California with two non-US citizen,
on student Visa parents from India and Jamaica. She was born from an illegal alien parent.

Before Barack Obama, citizens are called natural born when born in the US, and the parents are US citizens. Or born outside US, on US territories like Guam, the Virgin Island, or US Samoa, with US citizen parents.

When Obama came in, many changes were made who to call natural born, perhaps to accommodate Barack? I am confused where Barack was born. His family said in Kenya. Even the Senator in Kenya claimed Barack was born in Kenya. His grandma, and brother said, he was born in Kenya. Barack's father was a Kenyan. His US BC presented has been examined for 5 years and proved fake by both Italy and US. Arpaio and other US experts examined for 5 years and proved fake BC. But Barack became
US president for 8 years.

I think we are all dupped with lies! [/i]

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Dec 1, 2023 07:58:14   #
Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
obama in Kenya



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Dec 1, 2023 09:26:02   #
dling
 
In 1789, David Ramsey, delegate to the continental congress & historian, in a dissertation regarding the question on natural born citizens stated, "Citizenship as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born to CITIZENS(plural) since July 4, 1776" This would indicate both parents must be citizens, natural or naturalized, at the time of the birth. Based on this, several past & present, do not meet the criteria to be president or vice president, such as Obama, Harris, Haley, etc.

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Dec 1, 2023 10:17:29   #
pegw
 
kittibob wrote:
Yes, he's challenging the law. That clause was put into the constitution by Jefferson to prevent his hated political enemy from becoming President. Alexander Hamilton was born in the Virgin Islands. You do not have to be a natural born citizen to run for President, only to be President. Anybody can run for President. I like Cenk but I would not waste my money on a candidate who cannot be president.
PS to Logically Wrong: Obama was born in the US state of Hawaii.


I believe that Alexander Hamilton was a US citizen when the US ratified the constitution, thus exempting him from the requirement that he be born here. Ted Cruz case was in the courts when he ran for president, and the case was dropped when he quit running.

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Dec 1, 2023 10:35:00   #
son of witless
 
proud republican wrote:
Mr Cenk Uygur Co-founder of Young Turks was not born here ( Instambul, Turkey), yet he is running for President of the United States on Democrat side..

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4327418-democratic-presidential-candidate-cenk-uygur-raises-250k/


You have a valid concern, but even without this issue the gentleman has no chance in the primaries or the general election because he isn't well known. The much bigger question is what do his donors get out of their support ? He has no chance. I do not imagine the donors are stupid people who want to throw their money away. Perhaps they are building up his profile for some other reason ?

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Dec 1, 2023 10:56:04   #
American Scene
 
son of witless wrote:
You have a valid concern, but even without this issue the gentleman has no chance in the primaries or the general election because he isn't well known. The much bigger question is what do his donors get out of their support ? He has no chance. I do not imagine the donors are stupid people who want to throw their money away. Perhaps they are building up his profile for some other reason ?




Some donors are obviously stupid, especially the one who donated to george santos, and who are still sending

money, even though he is accused of personal use of campaign funds.

And he is not the only one, but he got caught.

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Dec 1, 2023 12:46:04   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
proud republican wrote:
Mr Cenk Uygur Co-founder of Young Turks was not born here ( Instambul, Turkey), yet he is running for President of the United States on Democrat side..

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4327418-democratic-presidential-candidate-cenk-uygur-raises-250k/


Ovomit did

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Dec 1, 2023 13:49:07   #
Ri-chard Loc: 23322
 
proud republican wrote:
Mr Cenk Uygur Co-founder of Young Turks was not born here ( Instambul, Turkey), yet he is running for President of the United States on Democrat side..

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4327418-democratic-presidential-candidate-cenk-uygur-raises-250k/


The Constitution and Declaration are just dormant docs, and no one ever took an oath to "this Constitution for the United States of America."

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Dec 1, 2023 15:01:25   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
pegw wrote:
True. If you are not born in the US you can't become president. Chenk Uygur and Ted Cruz are in this category.




Ted Cruz releases mother's birth certificate amid citizenship debate
BY REENA FLORES

JANUARY 9, 2016 / 4:05 PM EST / CBS NEWS

Ted Cruz is hoping to allay -- once and for all -- any fears that he is qualified to run for the White House.

In the midst of a mounting debate over whether the Texas senator is a "natural-born citizen" of the United States and therefore eligible for the presidency, Cruz's campaign has made public his mother's birth certificate.

Cruz released the certificate to conservative media outlet Breitbart News on Friday, the campaign confirmed to CBS News.

The document shows that Eleanor Darragh, Cruz's mother, was born in the state of Delaware on Nov. 23, 1934, establishing that she was a U.S. citizen from birth.

ted-cruz-mother-birth-certificate.jpg
The birth certificate of Eleanor Darragh, mother of Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas

Cruz's father was Cuban. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, but renounced his Canadian citizenship in 2014.

The Texas Republican also released his birth certificate in 2013, which he had said proves his U.S. citizenship from when he was born.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-releases-mothers-birth-certificate-after-citizenship-debate/#:~:text=The%20document%20shows%20that%20Eleanor,a%20U.S.%20citizen%20from%20birth.&text=Cruz's%20father%20was%20Cuban.,his%20Canadian%20citizenship%20in%202014.

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Dec 1, 2023 17:35:39   #
BIRDMAN
 
pegw wrote:
I believe that Alexander Hamilton was a US citizen when the US ratified the constitution, thus exempting him from the requirement that he be born here. Ted Cruz case was in the courts when he ran for president, and the case was dropped when he quit running.


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