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The Earth May Have Passed the 2°C Warming Threshold on Friday
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Nov 22, 2023 10:17:13   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Parky60 wrote:
A scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) reported that the Earth may have passed the supposedly catastrophic 2°C threshold that climate alarmists tell us will result in a disastrous future for the planet. Luckily for us, the supposed global average temperature didn’t remain above 2°C for long, and Friday ended at a mere 1.17°C above the alleged 1850-1900 pre-industrial average temperature — cooler, but still reportedly a record.

C3S Deputy Director Samantha Burgess notified the world of the milestone on X on Sunday.

“Provisional ERA5 global temperature for 17th November from @CopernicusECMWF was 1.17°C above 1991-2020 – the warmest on record,” Burgess reported. “Our best estimate is that this was the first day when global temperature was more than 2°C above 1850-1900 (or pre-industrial) levels, at 2.06°C.”

Absent from the alleged “2°C over pre-industrial limit” milestone were the worldwide emergency sirens and the complete breakdown of society that we’ve been told to expect should that limit be reached.

But climate hysterics tell us that the brief period for one day that the global mean temperature exceeded that 2°C threshold doesn’t mean too much, except that it tells us that the globe is warming faster than we thought. Only when the threshold is reached for a period of decades will the worst of climate change be realized.

The dataset that came to the 2°C threshold comes from ERA5, a climate “reanalyzer” similar to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer that gave us pronouncements of the “hottest day ever” in July.

For that reason, the new record of 1.17°C above pre-industrial times is considered provisional.

Climate researchers claim that a strong El Niño in the Pacific Ocean is adding to the warming allegedly brought on by mankind’s emissions of trace atmospheric gases, which had led to an incredibly warm 2023.

Is there any credibility associated with this claim? Probably not, according to Dr. H. Sterling Burnett, a climatologist with the Heartland Institute.

“According to the Berkeley Earth record the average surface temperature for Europe has already passed the 2.0 degree Celsius mark, yet European’s aren’t dropping like flies from the heart or migrating to flee flooding, rising tides, storms, or crop declines,” Burnett said.

“People typically experience more than a 2.0 fluctuation in temperatures daily with no ill effects,” Burnett noted. “(M)any more people retire to sunny, hot locations nearer the equator, than they do to colder regions nearer the poles.”

Indeed. So, what makes 2°C warmer so important? The truth is, it’s not important. It’s an arbitrary number chosen by politicians and bureaucrats at the United Nations based on the work of William Nordhaus, an economist at Yale, who theorized that such a temperature increase would push global conditions past any point that any human civilization had ever experienced.

If you’re surprised that a supposed scientific 2°C limit was the brainchild of an economist and not a climate scientist, you shouldn’t be. The climate cult is all about economics — the destruction of economies, more specifically.

“(There) is not now, nor has there ever been any verifiable proof that 2.0 serves as some kind of tipping point for civilization’s collapse,” Burnett said. “Human civilization and ecosystems evolved over long periods of time and have adapted to much larger changes to the climate than we are experiencing now.”

He added: “In truth, I’m far more worried about a global average 2 or 3 degree decline in temperatures, signaling a possible coming ice age, than I am about a modest rise in temperatures, well within historic norms.”

Oh, no! Not global cooling again!

But Dr. Burnett, of course, was not predicting such a thing. He was only pointing out that global cooling would be a far greater tragedy than global warming. The world already has evidence of this sort of climate change, known as the Little Ice Age.
A scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Servi... (show quote)



97 % of Scientist agree with, whom ever is funding them. The other 3% are banned from all media platforms.

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Nov 22, 2023 20:27:08   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Parky60 wrote:
A scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) reported that the Earth may have passed the supposedly catastrophic 2°C threshold that climate alarmists tell us will result in a disastrous future for the planet. Luckily for us, the supposed global average temperature didn’t remain above 2°C for long, and Friday ended at a mere 1.17°C above the alleged 1850-1900 pre-industrial average temperature — cooler, but still reportedly a record.

C3S Deputy Director Samantha Burgess notified the world of the milestone on X on Sunday.

“Provisional ERA5 global temperature for 17th November from @CopernicusECMWF was 1.17°C above 1991-2020 – the warmest on record,” Burgess reported. “Our best estimate is that this was the first day when global temperature was more than 2°C above 1850-1900 (or pre-industrial) levels, at 2.06°C.”

Absent from the alleged “2°C over pre-industrial limit” milestone were the worldwide emergency sirens and the complete breakdown of society that we’ve been told to expect should that limit be reached.

But climate hysterics tell us that the brief period for one day that the global mean temperature exceeded that 2°C threshold doesn’t mean too much, except that it tells us that the globe is warming faster than we thought. Only when the threshold is reached for a period of decades will the worst of climate change be realized.

The dataset that came to the 2°C threshold comes from ERA5, a climate “reanalyzer” similar to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer that gave us pronouncements of the “hottest day ever” in July.

For that reason, the new record of 1.17°C above pre-industrial times is considered provisional.

Climate researchers claim that a strong El Niño in the Pacific Ocean is adding to the warming allegedly brought on by mankind’s emissions of trace atmospheric gases, which had led to an incredibly warm 2023.

Is there any credibility associated with this claim? Probably not, according to Dr. H. Sterling Burnett, a climatologist with the Heartland Institute.

“According to the Berkeley Earth record the average surface temperature for Europe has already passed the 2.0 degree Celsius mark, yet European’s aren’t dropping like flies from the heart or migrating to flee flooding, rising tides, storms, or crop declines,” Burnett said.

“People typically experience more than a 2.0 fluctuation in temperatures daily with no ill effects,” Burnett noted. “(M)any more people retire to sunny, hot locations nearer the equator, than they do to colder regions nearer the poles.”

Indeed. So, what makes 2°C warmer so important? The truth is, it’s not important. It’s an arbitrary number chosen by politicians and bureaucrats at the United Nations based on the work of William Nordhaus, an economist at Yale, who theorized that such a temperature increase would push global conditions past any point that any human civilization had ever experienced.

If you’re surprised that a supposed scientific 2°C limit was the brainchild of an economist and not a climate scientist, you shouldn’t be. The climate cult is all about economics — the destruction of economies, more specifically.

“(There) is not now, nor has there ever been any verifiable proof that 2.0 serves as some kind of tipping point for civilization’s collapse,” Burnett said. “Human civilization and ecosystems evolved over long periods of time and have adapted to much larger changes to the climate than we are experiencing now.”

He added: “In truth, I’m far more worried about a global average 2 or 3 degree decline in temperatures, signaling a possible coming ice age, than I am about a modest rise in temperatures, well within historic norms.”

Oh, no! Not global cooling again!

But Dr. Burnett, of course, was not predicting such a thing. He was only pointing out that global cooling would be a far greater tragedy than global warming. The world already has evidence of this sort of climate change, known as the Little Ice Age.
A scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Servi... (show quote)
My question would be, do you think anyone at the "Copernicus Climate Change Service" might have a specific agenda?

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Nov 22, 2023 20:56:24   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
Parky60 wrote:
A scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) reported that the Earth may have passed the supposedly catastrophic 2°C threshold that climate alarmists tell us will result in a disastrous future for the planet. Luckily for us, the supposed global average temperature didn’t remain above 2°C for long, and Friday ended at a mere 1.17°C above the alleged 1850-1900 pre-industrial average temperature — cooler, but still reportedly a record.

C3S Deputy Director Samantha Burgess notified the world of the milestone on X on Sunday.

“Provisional ERA5 global temperature for 17th November from @CopernicusECMWF was 1.17°C above 1991-2020 – the warmest on record,” Burgess reported. “Our best estimate is that this was the first day when global temperature was more than 2°C above 1850-1900 (or pre-industrial) levels, at 2.06°C.”

Absent from the alleged “2°C over pre-industrial limit” milestone were the worldwide emergency sirens and the complete breakdown of society that we’ve been told to expect should that limit be reached.

But climate hysterics tell us that the brief period for one day that the global mean temperature exceeded that 2°C threshold doesn’t mean too much, except that it tells us that the globe is warming faster than we thought. Only when the threshold is reached for a period of decades will the worst of climate change be realized.

The dataset that came to the 2°C threshold comes from ERA5, a climate “reanalyzer” similar to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer that gave us pronouncements of the “hottest day ever” in July.

For that reason, the new record of 1.17°C above pre-industrial times is considered provisional.

Climate researchers claim that a strong El Niño in the Pacific Ocean is adding to the warming allegedly brought on by mankind’s emissions of trace atmospheric gases, which had led to an incredibly warm 2023.

Is there any credibility associated with this claim? Probably not, according to Dr. H. Sterling Burnett, a climatologist with the Heartland Institute.

“According to the Berkeley Earth record the average surface temperature for Europe has already passed the 2.0 degree Celsius mark, yet European’s aren’t dropping like flies from the heart or migrating to flee flooding, rising tides, storms, or crop declines,” Burnett said.

“People typically experience more than a 2.0 fluctuation in temperatures daily with no ill effects,” Burnett noted. “(M)any more people retire to sunny, hot locations nearer the equator, than they do to colder regions nearer the poles.”

Indeed. So, what makes 2°C warmer so important? The truth is, it’s not important. It’s an arbitrary number chosen by politicians and bureaucrats at the United Nations based on the work of William Nordhaus, an economist at Yale, who theorized that such a temperature increase would push global conditions past any point that any human civilization had ever experienced.

If you’re surprised that a supposed scientific 2°C limit was the brainchild of an economist and not a climate scientist, you shouldn’t be. The climate cult is all about economics — the destruction of economies, more specifically.

“(There) is not now, nor has there ever been any verifiable proof that 2.0 serves as some kind of tipping point for civilization’s collapse,” Burnett said. “Human civilization and ecosystems evolved over long periods of time and have adapted to much larger changes to the climate than we are experiencing now.”

He added: “In truth, I’m far more worried about a global average 2 or 3 degree decline in temperatures, signaling a possible coming ice age, than I am about a modest rise in temperatures, well within historic norms.”

Oh, no! Not global cooling again!

But Dr. Burnett, of course, was not predicting such a thing. He was only pointing out that global cooling would be a far greater tragedy than global warming. The world already has evidence of this sort of climate change, known as the Little Ice Age.
A scientist at the Copernicus Climate Change Servi... (show quote)




Exactly how do you determine the "average temperature of the earth" on a given day, seriously! If you have the surface temperature for every square mile of the earth's surface (unlikely, ?), how far up in the atmosphere do you go and at what interval? If you have the temperature for every square kilometer of the earth's surface, would the value change, every square yard, square foot, square inch? Since temperatures change during the course of the day do you get your data at say noon local solar time everywhere, or do you have to get your data all across the earth at the same instant. Seems like HOW, WHERE and WHEN you get the data is going to have a significant effect on the "average" you get to the point that saying the earth is 2 degrees warmer or cooler, much less 0.1 degree, is all but meaningless.

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Nov 22, 2023 21:05:17   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
SeaLass wrote:
Exactly how do you determine the "average temperature of the earth" on a given day, seriously! If you have the surface temperature for every square mile of the earth's surface (unlikely, ?), how far up in the atmosphere do you go and at what interval? If you have the temperature for every square kilometer of the earth's surface, would the value change, every square yard, square foot, square inch? Since temperatures change during the course of the day do you get your data at say noon local solar time everywhere, or do you have to get your data all across the earth at the same instant. Seems like HOW, WHERE and WHEN you get the data is going to have a significant effect on the "average" you get to the point that saying the earth is 2 degrees warmer or cooler, much less 0.1 degree, is all but meaningless.
Exactly how do you determine the "average tem... (show quote)
BINGO!!!



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Nov 22, 2023 21:58:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
SeaLass wrote:
Exactly how do you determine the "average temperature of the earth" on a given day, seriously! If you have the surface temperature for every square mile of the earth's surface (unlikely, ?), how far up in the atmosphere do you go and at what interval? If you have the temperature for every square kilometer of the earth's surface, would the value change, every square yard, square foot, square inch? Since temperatures change during the course of the day do you get your data at say noon local solar time everywhere, or do you have to get your data all across the earth at the same instant. Seems like HOW, WHERE and WHEN you get the data is going to have a significant effect on the "average" you get to the point that saying the earth is 2 degrees warmer or cooler, much less 0.1 degree, is all but meaningless.
Exactly how do you determine the "average tem... (show quote)


All of your questions about parameters are considered and well answered on the internet sites maintained..It is secret information and you can not have it . Only liberals' and knowledgeable individuals are allowed to know, you and other trump troops are none of these and so you are excluded from knowing these facts.. to you they are secret.. only people like me and other majestic individuals are allowed this information..

It is secret information and only I know it..

These people stole the information but their boat sank..
These people stole the information but their boat ...

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Nov 22, 2023 22:07:03   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
SeaLass wrote:
Exactly how do you determine the "average temperature of the earth" on a given day, seriously! If you have the surface temperature for every square mile of the earth's surface (unlikely, ?), how far up in the atmosphere do you go and at what interval? If you have the temperature for every square kilometer of the earth's surface, would the value change, every square yard, square foot, square inch? Since temperatures change during the course of the day do you get your data at say noon local solar time everywhere, or do you have to get your data all across the earth at the same instant. Seems like HOW, WHERE and WHEN you get the data is going to have a significant effect on the "average" you get to the point that saying the earth is 2 degrees warmer or cooler, much less 0.1 degree, is all but meaningless.
Exactly how do you determine the "average tem... (show quote)


Comparing temps is ridiculous. Florida is a great example. Fifty years ago Florida didn't have near the blacktop and cement it does now, which reflects heat back into the atmosphere. Man Made Climate change is nothing more than a guessing game and the people who push it don't really care if it's real or not. They just need the narrative to control the mass's.

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Nov 22, 2023 22:09:38   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
All of your questions about parameters are considered and well answered on the internet sites maintained..It is secret information and you can not have it . Only liberals' and knowledgeable individuals are allowed to know, you and other trump troops are none of these and so you are excluded from knowing these facts.. to you they are secret.. only people like me and other majestic individuals are allowed this information..

It is secret information and only I know it..


I guess we see the consequences of closing all the mental institutions



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Nov 22, 2023 22:23:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
I guess we see the consequences of closing all the mental institutions


Bird, you truly do have an eye for t-shirts.. this one is an excellent selection.. Fine material...



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Nov 22, 2023 22:24:32   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
Bird, you truly do have an eye for t-shirts.. this one is an excellent selection.. Fine material...


At least you’re not gay



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Nov 23, 2023 10:09:10   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
JFlorio wrote:
Comparing temps is ridiculous. Florida is a great example. Fifty years ago Florida didn't have near the blacktop and cement it does now, which reflects heat back into the atmosphere. Man Made Climate change is nothing more than a guessing game and the people who push it don't really care if it's real or not. They just need the narrative to control the mass's.

I have read in more than one place that the vast majority of temperature collecting devices are very close to if not located on blacktop or cement.

And as for the climate 'estimates", they're all done by models which leave out the effect of clouds which can have extreme effects on climate.

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Nov 23, 2023 11:49:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Parky60 wrote:
I have read in more than one place that the vast majority of temperature collecting devices are very close to if not located on blacktop or cement.

And as for the climate 'estimates", they're all done by models which leave out the effect of clouds which can have extreme effects on climate.


Just like the ridiculous hurricane models. They show many many different tracks and still get it wrong.

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Nov 25, 2023 17:07:47   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just like the ridiculous hurricane models. They show many many different tracks and still get it wrong.


Science is a study. There is no crystal ball.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

Read what the scientists are learning. Yes, learning. Try it!

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Nov 25, 2023 21:10:33   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Science is a study. There is no crystal ball.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

Read what the scientists are learning. Yes, learning. Try it!


You mean the scientists dependent on government grants? No conflict there. Didn’t see a workable solution mentioned.

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Nov 26, 2023 11:15:27   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
federally indicted mattoid wrote:
Science is a study. There is no crystal ball.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

Read what the scientists are learning. Yes, learning. Try it!


Yes, science is a methodology, not a book of "truth".

Maybe NASA could explain why they are so certain that all of the observed changes are due at least primarily to human activity. I doubt if many people would disagree that the climate is changing, it has been doing that ever since there has been a climate. It is the why is it changing, what are going to be the effects of the changes and what to do about the changes that many people question.

Yes, science is a methodology, not a book of answers.

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Nov 27, 2023 14:46:52   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
You mean the scientists dependent on government grants? No conflict there. Didn’t see a workable solution mentioned.


Who do you think the anti-climate change bozos are getting money from???

The same type of lab rats who told you for decades smoking was good for you..

And the same motive.... Save the cash cow for those worried about missing a pair of nickles if people buy a bit less of the over priced product they all milk for buying a new this or that..

It is all about the money but you insist on pointing the wrong direction..

You also need to understand , the power of the wind and the rain, the sun and the tides I nothing new..
You also need to understand , the power of the win...

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