A question for pro family Christian’s (Page 3): Mark Twain famously said that "faith it's to believe in what you know isn't true..."...

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Mark Twain famously said that "faith it's to believe in what you know isn't true..."

Big Kahuna

Kevyn wrote:

If god told you to murder a family member as a burnt offering to prove your faith and obedience would you do so? God told Abraham to murder his only son as an offering and Abraham was going to do so but was stopped. It was some sort of practical joke I guess.

Child sacrifice was the order of the day in Abraham's era, so killing and sacrificing a child was considered okay by the Heathen world. God wanted to show Abraham that it was not okay to kill a child and therefore set a precedent for child sacrifice to be ended and was sinful. No longer could a moral and just society sacrifice its children, something that is currently missing in our society nowadays which goes by the name of abortion or a womans right.

Tessie

Big Kahuna wrote:

Child sacrifice was the order of the day in Abraham's era, so killing and sacrificing a child was considered okay by the Heathen world. God wanted to show Abraham that it was not okay to kill a child and therefore set a precedent for child sacrifice to be ended and was sinful. No longer could a moral and just society sacrifice its children, something that is currently missing in our society nowadays which goes by the name of abortion or a womans right.

God already knows who will abort the babies that he creates.He knows that is a sin and some people don't regret what they have done. We are all sinners and he knows are hearts better then we do.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Rose42 wrote:

Science can’t even begin to explain the complexities and interdepencies of life. Its not even close!

Its amazing isn’t it. And amazing is far too weak a word to describe God’s creation.

The unvarnished truth, Rose!
Any one who claims science has explained creation understands very little about science.

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Kevyn wrote:

If god told you to murder a family member as a burnt offering to prove your faith and obedience would you do so? God told Abraham to murder his only son as an offering and Abraham was going to do so but was stopped. It was some sort of practical joke I guess.

This is the prize you get for asking that dumb ass question.

son of witless

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Sure beats murdering your child because you're too dumb to keep from getting pregnant

I could not come up with an answer to Kevyn's question, that I was content with. You thought one up and you thought it up quick.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Kevyn wrote:

If god told you to murder a family member as a burnt offering to prove your faith and obedience would you do so? God told Abraham to murder his only son as an offering and Abraham was going to do so but was stopped. It was some sort of practical joke I guess.

KEVYN HAS LEFT THE BUILDING !
He started this thread, and has not made posted one sense (misspelling deliberate). Typical. I have serious doubts that he even reads any of the responses. Just likes to knock the skull and chain into the well and see what it awakens.
He's kinda sick that way.

Ready player 1

RandyBrian wrote:

KEVYN HAS LEFT THE BUILDING !
He started this thread, and has not made posted one sense (misspelling deliberate). Typical. I have serious doubts that he even reads any of the responses. Just likes to knock the skull and chain into the well and see what it awakens.
He's kinda sick that way.

I'm glad you noticed. I was just about to post about that myself.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Kevyn wrote:

If god told you to murder a family member as a burnt offering to prove your faith and obedience would you do so? God told Abraham to murder his only son as an offering and Abraham was going to do so but was stopped. It was some sort of practical joke I guess.

Why did God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

Abraham had obeyed God many times in his walk with Him, but no test could have been more severe than the one in Genesis 22. God commanded, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you” (Genesis 22:2).

This was an astounding command because Isaac was the son of promise. God had promised several times that from Abraham’s own body would come a nation as multitudinous as the stars in heaven (Genesis 12:2–3; 15:4–5). Later, Abraham was specifically told that the promise would be through Isaac (Genesis 21:12).

Given that God’s testing of Abraham involved a command to do something He elsewhere forbids (see Jeremiah 7:31), we must ask, “Why did God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?” The Bible does not specifically address the answer to this question, but in our study of Scripture we can compile a few reasons:

God’s command to sacrifice Isaac was to test Abraham’s faith. God’s tests prove and purify our faith. They cause us to seek Him and trust Him more. God’s test of Abraham allowed His child—and all the world—to see the reality of faith in action. Faith is more than an inner spiritual attitude; faith works (see James 2:18).

God’s command to sacrifice Isaac was to validate Abraham as the “father” of all who have faith in God. “Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness” (Romans 4:9). And we today “who have the faith of Abraham” also find that “he is the father of us all” (verse 16). Without Abraham’s response to the command to sacrifice Isaac, we would have difficulty knowing all that faith entails. God uses Abraham’s faith as an example of the type of faith required for salvation.

God’s command to sacrifice Isaac was to provide an example of absolute obedience. After God gave the command, “early the next morning Abraham got up and loaded his donkey” and headed out with his son and the wood for a burnt offering (Genesis 22:3). There was no delay, no questioning, no arguing. Just simple obedience, which brought a blessing (verses 15–18).

God’s command to sacrifice Isaac was to reveal God as Jehovah-Jireh. On the way up the mountain to the place of sacrifice, Isaac inquired as to the animal to be sacrificed, and his father said, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son” (Genesis 22:8). After God’s provision of a ram to take Isaac’s place on the altar, “Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide” (verse 14). Thus we have another character-revealing name of God: Yahweh-Yireh.

God’s command to sacrifice Isaac was to foreshadow God’s sacrifice of His own Son. The story of Abraham prefigures the New Testament teaching of the atonement, the sacrificial offering of the Lord Jesus on the cross for the sin of mankind. Here are some of the parallels between the sacrifice of Isaac and the sacrifice of Christ:

• “Take your son, your only son, whom you love” (Genesis 22:2); “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son” (John 3:16).

• “Go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there” (Genesis 22:2); it is believed that this same area is where the city of Jerusalem was built many years later. Jesus was crucified in the same area that Isaac had been laid on the altar.

• “Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering” (Genesis 22:2); “Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3).

• “Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac” (Genesis 22:6); Jesus, “carrying his own cross,” walked to Calvary (John 19:17).

• “But where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” (Genesis 22:7); John said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).

• “God himself will provide the lamb” (Genesis 22:8); Jesus is likened to a spotless lamb in 1 Peter 1:18–19 and a slain lamb in Revelation 5:6.

• Isaac, who was likely a young man at the time of his sacrifice, acted in obedience to his father (Genesis 22:9); before His sacrifice, Jesus prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will” (Matthew 26:39).

• Isaac was resurrected figuratively, and Jesus in reality: “Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death” (Hebrews 11:19); Jesus “was buried, and . . . was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:4).

Many centuries after God’s command for Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad” (John 8:56). This is a reference to Abraham’s joy in seeing the ram caught in the thicket in Genesis 22. That ram was the substitute that would save Isaac’s life. Seeing that ram was, in essence, seeing the day of Christ, the Substitute for all of us.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Big Kahuna wrote:

Child sacrifice was the order of the day in Abraham's era, so killing and sacrificing a child was considered okay by the Heathen world. God wanted to show Abraham that it was not okay to kill a child and therefore set a precedent for child sacrifice to be ended and was sinful. No longer could a moral and just society sacrifice its children, something that is currently missing in our society nowadays which goes by the name of abortion or a womans right.

That is bullshit, I suggest you try again.

Proudconservative

keepuphope wrote:

It's called having faith and as Abraham is the beginning of God's plan to save humanity it was important he had total faith in God. Your so ignorant of who God is its better you never bring up the subject until you spend alot more time in the bible to get to know the God you insult on a regular basis.

You know I feel so bad for people who don't have God in their lives, and if they don't believe in God then they don't believe in Hell at least I don't see how they can and that's to bad. If they believed there was a Hell and would just read Revelations out of the Bible it's possible it may just open some of their eyes to want to get to know God. Maybe they should just read it anyway even if they believe there's no Hell, maybe that would even be enough for some of them to start thinking about it. It's getting close to the end time and people better start putting God in there lives and start believing those who do have God in there lives and listen to what they have to say. I have been working on some things that I need to get in order before time is up, not that I'm not going to Heaven it's just I can do better than what I'm doing if that makes sense. My faith in God is what keeps me moving forward every day so I don't end up back to what felt like Hell at the time when I allowed the devil to take me there in the first place. There's so much more I want to learn, the more I learn the closer I get to God. I replied to what you posted because sometimes it's nice to say things to the people who do believe in God and don't reply back with so much negativity. So thanks for listening!

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Ready player 1 wrote:

I'm glad you noticed. I was just about to post about that myself.

It is a long standing tactic used by Kevyn, Rinaldi, and a number of others. They have been doing it ever since I started on OPP over three years ago, and long before according to long timers. I believe they get some kind of psychotic thrill by thinking they have 'triggered' those of us on the right. Self deception first and always, with them. It is both laughable and pathetic that they are not bright enough to to support what they post.

Speaking of Rinaldi, he has been awfully quiet. Has anyone heard from him? I sincerely hope he is alright!

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Proudconservative wrote:

You know I feel so bad for people who don't have G... (show quote)

Great post, PC. Thank you for sharing!
Luke warm Christians spend their prayer life asking God to be with them through their lives. That is a sad misunderstanding of our purpose, and how God works. Yes, God is with us through our trials, BUT.........
OUR purpose is to live our lives WALKING with GOD! Not the other way around.
There is an old saying, "If you do not feel close to God, guess who moved".
Prayers and heartfelt good wishes for everyone today! Take a little bit of time from football and eating and fun to sincerely thank the Lord our God for the blessings of the past year!
RandyBrian

Proudconservative

RandyBrian wrote:

Great post, PC. Thank you for sharing! br Luke wa... (show quote)

Thank you Randy, and heartfelt good wishes to you to.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Kevyn wrote:

If god told you to murder a family member as a burnt offering to prove your faith and obedience would you do so? God told Abraham to murder his only son as an offering and Abraham was going to do so but was stopped. It was some sort of practical joke I guess.

It was a test of faith.