permafrost Loc: Minnesota

do not know the length, it took centuries to build , had extensions as well and change in direction at times of political (enemy) change.. interesting to me . the main longest lasting group the wall was built to controls were the mongols.. in time the chinese hied the mongols to man the wall in order for it to be effective.. such a conundrum..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Odd information for you.. the year is 2023.. 2020 is history, who cares about then,, we deal with todays problems..

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Yep sounds like the history of mankind

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Just more of your BS. Nobody said the wall would 100% prevent illegal entry into the county but would be a deterrent and make it more difficult on the criminals crossing. Also gives the border patrol more time to respond. My door wont stop a criminal who really wants to get into my house but it does act as a deterrent to most and will sure the hell slow him down, give me time to grab my gun and prepare to blow his/her @$$ to smithereens. As it is right now, you just walk across the border, and if you do go to a gate, all you have to do is lie and Joe's policy allows you tight in. No paperwork, no proof of covid vaccines or any other vaccinations for that matter, no waiting till we run you for a incriminate record, just open door policy! Funny how the Dems wanted fencing and barriers till Trump ran on closing the border. Bunch of f..king hypocrites and instead of calling out your own party, you lie for them. As for the rest of your post, it's irrelevant. Trump had Russian/Ukraine under control, Joe comes in and Putin runs right over top of his, as do the other world leaders.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

skipping most of your comments, some small points of merit in them.

As for the wall itself, consider it a cost vs benefit problem and review all the options..

Not even our birds have found food this morn..

America 1 Loc: South Miami

No, you do not.
And the Biden administration does not.
Biden's energy policies are a disaster and have caused increased inflation in damn near everything.

Democrats are terrified whenever Joe Biden opens his mouth in public.
But he just told one of the biggest whoppers of his Presidency on national television.
And Joe Biden is going to live to regret this insulting message he just delivered to voters.

The economy is the biggest problem facing President Joe Biden heading into the 2024 election.
Democrats and their media allies are trying to claim that everything is great with the economy, but the numbers tell a different story.

The cost of living is through the roof from rampant inflation and rising interest rates, making it harder than ever to make ends meet.
Job losses are growing, and a potential economic slowdown may be on the horizon heading into 2024.

Since Biden can’t defend his economic record, which he dubs “Bidenomics,”
he’s trying to paint a rosy picture about it that doesn’t match reality.
https://www.deplorabledaily.com/joe-biden-is-going-to-live-to-regret-this-insulting-message-he-just-delivered-to-voters/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dpd_9118&utm_term=&utm_content=

In addition
Biden’s Errors Empower Iran’s Terrorists: US Troops in Crosshairs!
Biden’s blunders continue as Iran’s terrorist proxies, operating under the name “Islamic Resistance in Iraq,” proudly boast about their new “medium-range missile” aimed at attacking our brave U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria. It’s like handing a loaded gun to a toddler and expecting no harm to come from it.
But hey, go ahead and remove those pesky sanctions on Iran’s missile program, what could possibly go wrong?
ran Terror Proxies Announce New Missile Weeks After Biden Let Missile Sanctions on Iran Expire
According to a spokesperson from CENTCOM, the “Islamic Resistance in Iraq” is just an umbrella term used for all the Iran-backed militias wreaking havoc in Iraq and Syria. So, not only do we have one terrorist group to worry about, we have a whole gang of them. Thanks, Biden! Your incompetence truly knows no bounds.
https://conservativeadvocacy.com/bidens-errors-empower-irans-terrorists-us-troops-in-crosshairs/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bidens-errors-empower-irans-terrorists-us-troops-in-crosshairs

The Border
Customs and Border Patrol just exposed a massive Joe Biden scandal every American should see
According to Customs and Border Patrol, in October, more than 240,000 illegal aliens crossed into this country.

That’s the second-largest October number in history.

The largest was last year – also under President Biden’s watch.

In fact, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) reports before the Biden Presidency, the highest number of illegal aliens encountered in the month of October was about 90,000.

September was another record-breaking month for illegal aliens crossing over into the interior of the United States.

Border patrol officers had nearly 270,000 encounters with illegal aliens in September across the southern border.

That’s the highest total for the month of September since the data began being tracked.

It defeats the old record of about 207,000 illegal crossings in September of last year – again, under the not-so-watchful eye of President Biden.
September also marks the end of the fiscal year.
In that fiscal year, more than 2 Million migrants illegally entered America.
That brings the total during Biden’s less than three years sitting in the Oval Office to an estimated 8 Million.

That’s about 1 million more than the population of the state of Massachusetts.

As if Bidenflation wasn’t pinching blue-collar wallets hard enough – all those illegal aliens are costing the hard-working men and women of America.
https://politicalanimalnews.com/customs-and-border-patrol-just-exposed-a-massive-joe-biden-scandal-every-american-should-see/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pan_1971881489&utm_term=&utm_content=200925

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Inflation is world wide and we, America are in the 10 least affected countries in the world.. About 3% rate..

Are you aware of our oil production at this time.. all time record..

It seems you are hurt by losing your job to an illegal.. that is one more rotten deal you need to address with your party.. the dems have fought for decades to end the practice but the demand for cheap labor has been ended or even modified by the minor penalty for hiring the wetbacks. Perhaps the single most pressing issue is the hiring of illegals by companies going for the cheapest labor..

Duluth harbor, starting the christmas season...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Very good post.. we agree more than I expected..

Yes a wall would be partly effective.. it is a cost VS benefit idea..

boots on the ground info needs to be included with the big picture view and both considered.

Stop birth citizenship for illegals only.. That is a new twist for me.. I need to give it some thought.. I do not know if any of the other countries which have the birthright citizenship law uses that twist. Or even how the other countries law differs for the US law.

cracking down on those who hire illegals has long been an issue that is not enforced.. needs to get done..

Visa overstays should be a hot topic, but it is very difficult to make it happen.. no one has a sign on their head proclaiming the visa and the date it expires.

problem with stay in mexico... it has to be allowed by both counties.. Reciprocity.... Just imagine the US having to deal with all those trying to slip into Mexico from the US.. LOL.. should we simply force the policy via blackmail or something? And it was not a solution, only a delay, part of the problem we currently are dealing with..

Welfare,, your concern is understandable, but I think it means we need to raise the minimum wage.. We need people who can afford to spend money, keep our economy strong.

Teen jobs... this is a good one.. we had "work study" programs as well as jobs galoor that fit in well with teens time... newspaper boys, stocking shelves, Yard work, simple maintenance around the home.. even worked in a veg canning plant once.. I think it would help the teen problems, including gangs etc if some of these were once more in use.

The immigration laws have needed reworking for decades if not generations..

We do have a program for valued immigration.. not sure how it works or the Quota..
One of the current drivers of 3rd world immigration is the current world conditions.. back in the day Europeans were seeking freedom and a better life, these days it is the desolate and oppressed 3rd world people.. and also consider Climate Change it will become more and more of a driver..

Dept of Education.. now that is a touchy subject.. few, on both sides of the table are happy with the situation.. but the remedy is very hard to find.. Let each state muddle to its own solution.. with the sorry conditions in some states compared to others now common ground will be easy to find.. we truly should have minimum standards on a national level..
many attempts tried and failed.. recall "no student left behind" also another dismal attempt forget the name also Minnesota was one of only two states to refuse one of those attempts, forget which one.. my kids were all out of school of had not started at that time, so had no direct contact with them.. in one case kids did start but to private church based school who did not use the current effort at change.

The problems and reasons for the decline in our education system would fill a book.. but I agree that it is very much in need of fixing.. the devil is in the details.. getting people to agree on the solutions near impossible..

good to have a real interesting post rather that just name calling.. on my part also.. thanks have a great day..

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Explain this: 70% increase.
Crude oil is $74.24 a barrel today, an increase of $30.00 from 11/30/2020.
https://www.barchart.com/futures/quotes/CLF24/interactive-chart
The most pressing issue is the insanity of Biden's policies.
I did not lose my job to an illegal or anybody else.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

People care about this.. gas prices locally today.. not what oil was selling for 3 years ago.. today is what matters..


Minnesota average gas prices
AAA Gas Prices
https://gasprices.aaa.com › ...
Minnesota average gas prices ; Current Avg. $3.136, $3.481, $3.889, $4.352 ; Yesterday Avg. $3.145, $3.497, $3.900, $4.367.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Those Biden policies that you hate so much have brought all time record oil production by the US.. now as a fossil fuel lover, will you care about bringing more American oil than anyone ever has done in the past???

if not, what do you care about.. post after post by you has been about the production of oil by America and now you should be happy..

Have a nice day..

The U.S. Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration reported that American oil production in the first week of October hit 13.2 million barrels per day, passing the previous record set in 2020 by 100,000 barrels. Weekly domestic oil production has doubled from the first week in October 2012 to now.

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LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

First snow PF? Before leaving I want to wish you and yOurs a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

You know there are two solutions, but both solutions require work to be done.

To implement either solution we as mankind must quit suffering evils that are sufferable and right ourselves by abolishing to forms which we accustomed to.

The two solutions are represented in the two parties. The Democrats lean toward the solution of Marxism, and its benefit of the mob. This is not an insult to the party, but an observation, that no matter the issue or action, the party sticks together, right or wrong, as one. The problem with this way of thinking is that the party as a whole becomes the tyrant, and the identity of the members is lost with in the party. And thus the result does not build wealth or prosperity, because that is given willfully to the small group within the party called the elite or thier leaders. Thus this mob can get away with hiring a clown or incompetent fool to lead them. Under this sense of gnostic Marxism, the sheep will follow the shepherd straight to hell with no recourse. The final recourse would follow that the Indians will kill the chief after many abuses. The gnostic Marxism is best described by the nephilim rule in ancient Babylon, under Nimrod, or in other ancient Greek civilizations such as Athenian or spartan cultures, wh 1ere the democracy was overthrown by tyrants.

Jealousy of this collectivism, tempted ancient Israel, and ancient Rome. That jealousy coupled with greed and laziness brought forth the idea of utopia which is unachievable, when the members of the collective disagree. Only when they agree do they steal from the prosperity of the powers of the earth, which are assumed through necessity. Which fails again without a common agreement on the greater good.

This is the failure of both socialism, Marxism, or the collective theory of utopianism. Simply put, as long as the collective agrees with each other, then the collective is strong, the minute they disagree the collective falls apart. The more people seduced by the collective, the stronger the collective but the more damage the collective causes. Thus the Babylonia exile had similar implications on the Israelite as the fall of Rome did on the Christians during the midevial period.

Experience of the human condition therefore, after the destruction of both ancient Judah and Sameria, parallels that of the destruction of Rome in the fact that the only way out of it, was through the solution of a republic based on democratic principles that don't enter the jealousy that leads to a monarch or dictatorship.

The second solution, is individualism which is shown therein the republican party. Just like the collective theory, the individual is vulnerable, but when in common agreement is the most powerful. The reason for this is unlike Marxism, the individual is self governing therefore according to experience and theory, is not rules by a single entity but rather by the good conscience developed by the wisdom shared by individual successes and failures through example. Each individual is responsible for thier own failures and successes where in time advances the human condition, and creates out of nothing, using the powers of the earth, and aligning with the laws of Nature, and that of Nature's God, the station in which they live. Under this philosophy was born capitalism which is a blessing and a curse. A blessing due to the wealth it produces, a curse due to how harsh the fall from grace becomes when it fails.

One who is respected as an individual has more power than one who is part of the collective however the one who is part of the collective is more secure within the group. Simply put, the individual lacks protection from the group, however reaps a higher profit, and is not held back, as a person without favor in a collective.

By adding more people to the collective, makes the collective implode then explode, like that of a bubble or balloon. As independent bubbles, the individual is more powerful, for to conquer one is easy but to conquer all is impossible. In a single collective, the collective has a strong wall, but once the wall is breached the collective falls apart like a house of cards.

In wisdom through experience, the founders of this nation found a compromise that even the emperor of Japan recognized in World War II. That generation was considered the greatest generation because the balance between individualism and collectivism, government and selfgovernment were ruled through love. But when that love was replaced by jealousy and laziness, it started to fall apart.

Which brings us to the 60s, and 70s. Where the seduction of tribal mentality seduced the solution towards Marxism rather than capitalism. Marxism steals the legitimate profit and squander it amongst the collective thus perpetually consuming all until nothing is left. Where capitalism creates wealth and prosperity, Marxism consumes it.

One group rule, or monarchies, or communism, all consume. Thus, the American experiment in respecting self government and the individual, expanded on the old idea, let the people decide for themselves and be self governing.

Three groups are then born out of this, progressives, liberals and conservatives. A young man with a heart is a liberal....John Kennedy for example. An old man with intelligence and wisdom is a conservative, Ronald Reagan is an example of that. Where as r he progressivism is different. To have wisdom one must first have a heart. But progressives use the heart as an excuse, then explain a heart is thus weak. So when a liberal believes in progressive ideals they follow Joseph Stalin. Where as a conservative progressive becomes an Adolf Hitler.

So there you have it, we the people must choose to end the laziness of sufferavle evils we are accustomed to, by choosing which example we are to move forward with, a liberal like John Kennedy or a conservative like Ronald Reagan, where incidently they can peaceably team up together. Or do we go to the route of conservative progressivism and become like Hitler. Or do we swing to the liberal progressivism like that of Joseph Stalin?

Like Reagan said, "Democracy is one generation away from extinction"

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Thank you and blessings and happiness to you and your as well...

Where are you going? are you coming back? You gotta come back..

2nd snowfall, but first one was only depressing wet and sloppy..