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Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford a $12B wall to defend our own border before giving $300B to Ukraine to defend the Ukraine-Russia border?
We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does.

This is a classic example of being trapped in a narrative. We tell stories to understand the world, then we mistake those stories for the world. Republicans hear “illegal immigrant” and a story pops into their head of a Mexican creeping across the border in the dead of night. That happens every now and then, but it isn’t common. Most illegal immigrants drive through a checkpoint or fly in to the US, get their passports stamped, then never leave when their visa expires.

Walls won’t stop that.

But Republican’s can’t tell the difference between the story in their head—the Mexican sneaking across the border—and the reality of what happens. So they are literally, not metaphorically but literally, incapable of understanding the argument that walls don’t work. They cannot cognitively process it. They cannot jump outside the story in their head long enough to grasp it.

Ukraine is another example. Republicans talk about “the US spending money to support Ukraine,” and they imagine, I don’t know, a C-130 loaded with pallets of $100 bills.

That’s not what’s happening.

We’re sending them old military equipment that was, in most cases, slated to be destroyed and replaced anyway. The “dollar value” is the cost of replacing it…which we were going to do anyway.

But again, those words mean nothing. They’re just gibberish, because in order to understand the argument, you have to let go of the story in oyur head about pallets of cash, and Republicans can’t do that.

I’m not just busting on Republicans. We all, to some extent, see the world through narratives. But in those particular examples, the Republican narrative is firmly entrenched and Republicans seem cognitively incapable of seeing the world any other way.

LOL,,, says the greatest america hater on OPP.... Lordy lordy...
>>>Starting off with another lie. What further lies will come out of that frosted demented brain.




Your side has painted all police as racist bad guys who look to murder black and brown people regardless of their actions against the police. There are "bad apples" who are police as well to be sure.
>>>Excuse me. That is the leftist democrats who think like that. We Conservatives love and support the police.

The agreement quickly broke down, with violations by both sides.
>>>The agreement quickly broke down because the Americans and Nato kept arming Ukraine from day one and were only using the break in hostilities to rearm their battalions, including the Nazi one that America was training.

MINSK II
Representatives of Russia, Ukraine, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the leaders of two pro-Russian separatist regions signed a 13-point agreement in February 2015.

The leaders of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine, gathered in Minsk at the same time, issued a declaration of support for the deal.

It set out military and political steps that remain unimplemented. A major blockage has been Russia's insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms.

>>>At the time of the signing, Russia was not directly involved. It was separatists that were fighting the Ukraine government over their rights, and their right to secede, after the illegal coup threw out the President who was also a Russian ethnic citizen of Ukraine.

Point 10, for example, calls for the withdrawal of all foreign armed formations and military equipment from the two disputed regions, Donetsk and Luhansk: Ukraine says this refers to forces from Russia, but Moscow denies it has any forces there.

>>>Did Russia? Did America? They were supplying Ukraine and the Nazi AZOV battalion and training them

The 13 points were, in brief:

1. An immediate and comprehensive ceasefire

2. Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides

3. Monitoring and verification by the OSCE

4. To start a dialogue on interim self-government for the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledge their special status by parliamentary resolution.

5. A pardon and amnesty for people involved in the fighting

6. An exchange of hostages and prisoners.

7. Provision of humanitarian assistance.

8. Resumption of socio-economic ties, including pensions.

9. Restoration of full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine.

10. Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries.

11. Constitutional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.

12. Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk on terms to be agreed with their representatives.

13. Intensifying the work of a Trilateral Contact Group comprising representatives of Russia, Ukraine and the OSCE.

Writing by Mark Trevelyan; editing by Philippa Fletcher and John Stonestreet

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.




Who broke the Minsk agreement?
At the start of January 2015, the separatist forces of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) began a new offensive on Ukrainian-controlled areas, resulting in the complete collapse of the Minsk Protocol ceasefire.

>>>Because the West kept arming Ukraine from the day of the signing.

It turns out that the majority of people are correct in some things...
>>>As I was often told by people in Ukraine via their writings on how the west never intended to honor the agreement.

I have been told over and over that right wingers are as useful as tits on a boar..
>>>Which still makes us more useful and smarter then you.

and that has proved correct..
>>>That is correct.

so I did it myself and as I already knew it was russia who started the conflict by positioning separatist forces in both the Donetsk area and the Luhansk area. and refusing the acknowledge there are russian troops involved..
>>>They weren't.

just more lies as usual..
>>>That is what I expect from you

so once we have he haters of America removed and living in NK. the sun will rise brighter and maybe more often than once a day, just to show off..
>>>Hey, you are the HE hater, or is it SHE hater. Or do you tranny lovers remember the difference?
As usual, you are the one who hates what a free America unencumbered with democrat/leftist bull schitte can become.

You claim: "We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does." That's not true Perm. The Wall can't do what it's supposed to do only because Democrats say it can't. In other countries, it works but Democrats love the invasion, the drugs, the sex traffic, and the cartels all in the name of diversity and to intentionally change America's demographics. Be advised when you successfully change American demographics so that Americans who can trace their heritage to Europe are the minority, you will have successfully turned America into a 3rd world shit hole. We're well on our way.

You claim: "We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does." That's not true Perm. The Wall can't do what it's supposed to do only because Democrats say it can't. In other countries it works but Democrats love the invasion, the drugs, the sex traffic, the cartels all in the name of diversity and to intentionally change America's demographics. Be advised when you successfully change American demographics so that Americans who can trace their heritage to Europe are the minority, you will have successfully turned America into a 3rd world shit hole. We're well on our way.

gee you and your kind are what is wrong with America,
>>>That makes you a lying POS. I want to Make America Great Again. You are part of the left that want to continue to tear down America and freedom, both here and in the world. You are really pathetic. That is what you get with frosted brain cells.

you said you hate it,
No I didn't. I hate what the AH leftists and you are trying to turn it into, a slave state with a brain dead dictator.

you trust Putin more than Biden..
That is a no brainer as is biden. At least Putin loves his country.

why not just get the hell out..
>>>Why don't you get the hell out. Go to NK, the type of country your side is trying to turn America into.

nothing for you in this land of the free and home of the brave..
>>>Nothing for you in this land of the free and home of the brave. Now if only we can stifle the dirt the democrat/leftist are trying to do to America, we might just safe America.

you are also clearly useless,
You are clearly useless. Well, maybe you can be used as a bad example.

young child in this northland have more to offer then you..
So that is where the child traffickers are taking them. You must love that.

any when nicely asked you offer no reason for you hate..
>>>Haven't seem a nice thing on this thread from you. You are the real hater in trying to turn the greatest country the world has ever seen into the leftist hell hole of your desires. A slave stare with a brain dead dictator in charge.

so get the hell out while you still can..
So get the hell out while America still has a chance to over come your hatred and evil ways.

No mike. no other country in the world has a 2000 mile wall even to look at. several wall do exist and they all are working due to the constant manning of the the length of the wall. a wall on the sand does not have the smallest chance of being effective..

do not bother trying to blame the Democrats for everything you see as a problem.. look back at the history of illeigals, the border problems and you will see republicans have more that a fair share to be blamed for..

even when trump had both houses, not part of the wall even got started.. so find another subject , we got a lot of them..

You truly need to do a fact check before you post these wild ideas..

But what truly errates me is why anyone in america would support Putin and his drive to once more become the world power that he grew up in..

Are you native russian??? Why do you hate the USA?

they got the abrams tank maybe the best in the world, developed in the 70s..

https://www.reaganfoundation.org/library-museum/permanent-exhibitions/m-1-abrams-tank/#:~:text=The%20Abrams%20Tank%20was%20designed,until%20his%20death%20in%201974.

The Abrams Tank was designed in the 1970s and issued to the United States Army for use in February 1980. This specific tank is named after United States Army General Creighton Williams Abrams, Jr., who commanded military operations in Vietnam and served as Chief of Staff of the Army from 1972 until his death in 1974.


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The North Atlantic Treaty Organization was created in 1949 by the United States, Canada, and several Western European nations to provide collective security against the Soviet Union. NATO was the first peacetime military alliance the United States entered into outside of the Western Hemisphere.

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I do agree that what was done to Libya was criminal..

No mike. no other country in the world has a 2000 mile wall even to look at. several wall do exist and they all are working due to the constant manning of the the length of the wall. a wall on the sand does not have the smallest chance of being effective..

do not bother trying to blame the Democrats for everything you see as a problem.. look back at the history of illeigals, the border problems and you will see republicans have more that a fair share to be blamed for..

even when trump had both houses, not part of the wall even got started.. so find another subject , we got a lot of them..